Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

[Caj]

WTF has that got to do with anything?

I got the impression you were questioning the veracity of the poll as it was reported in the Herald Sun. My point is if the poll was directed to readers of this paper it is more likely to be representative of the larger picture as it is the mostly widely read publication in Victoria.

Of course, we all know that there are a huge number of other factors that determine whether polling is an accurate reflection of the state of play, but I don't think it should be ignored just because those polled are "Herald Sun readers"

 

[GuruJane]

Goodness no way is this poll a fair representation of the awe and adulation we the people of the Rust Bucket state of Victoria feel for our CFMEU premier.
To the barricades Pazza dear.
hahahaha

 

[Pessimistic]

Id agree that the poll is from an outfit with not alot of history in political polling.

But cutting down iconic 100 year old trees for no good reason has got alot of people pissed off.

Some trees the Libs like it seems. They are a small sacrifice to the grtaer efficiency meaning reduce d carbon etc

 

[AM]

My understanding is it was a Liberal Party poll picked up by the HS who gave it huge publicity - how surprising. That isn't to say it should be entirely dismissed just factored in.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

My understanding is it was a Liberal Party poll picked up by the HS who gave it huge publicity - how surprising. That isn't to say it should be entirely dismissed just factored in.

Also a nice distraction from the backroom infighting going on in the Victorian Liberal Party between the inanes and the insanes.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/s...causing-internal-tension-20170308-gutj79.html

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

EWL or not, a second connection from the M3 to the M1 or M2 will be built in the next 20-30 years, the only question is when. The West Gate Freeway and the CityLink tunnels cannot be expanded any further to hold more traffic, and the Monash can only be upgraded in the future between Warrigal Rd and Eastlink; there's no more room to widen it further.

The NIMBYs would be up in arms, but an elevated road section would be much cheaper than EWL.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Which taxpayers are getting a cut? It will just force prices up and eliminate any tax benefit. The best thing for first home buyers is a 30 percent crash in the market not a tax cut that will just make prices go up more. A crash will come when interest rates go back up. It's just a matter of what interest rate the increase is required for the tipping point.

No, that's good for people who are yet to buy a home.

A 30% crash in the market coupled with a rise in interest rates would screw thousands of young couples who have struggled to buy a home in the current climate.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

No, that's good for people who are yet to buy a home.

A 30% crash in the market coupled with a rise in interest rates would screw thousands of young couples who have struggled to buy a home in the current climate.

Tough t***ies, someone always gets hurt when the bubble bursts that isn't an argument for continuing to inflate it.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Tough t***ies, someone always gets hurt when the bubble bursts that isn't an argument for continuing to inflate it.

Tough t***ies... nice to know that you consider insolvency among the lower classes to be such a trivial issue...

But nevertheless, I thought it was important to point out that the people are ostensibly being helped are actually the ones who'll bear the brunt of the changes the hardest and not the big end of town.

I do find it ironic that young adults are being pushed like buggery to buy property in the current climate with "the right sacrifices" and "choosing cheaper suburbs" only to be told tough t***ies when everything eventually goes south. Then the "I told you so"s start flowing in. The property market would have collapsed on itself long ago if it wasn't for those same young adults trying desperately to put their name on some land.

 

[Hoops]

And in other news, can someone kindly explain this garbage that has the support of the Minister for Women?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s/news-story/dab2639286e8b5c5a21904a16804b31b

C'mon you ALP fanboys, defend this garbage if you can.

Good to see the big issues being worked on.

Defend what?

 

[Seeds]

No, that's good for people who are yet to buy a home.

A 30% crash in the market coupled with a rise in interest rates would screw thousands of young couples who have struggled to buy a home in the current climate.

It would screw with people who have bought but not with those who hadn't. Anyone who is buying now is a fool and deserve to be screwed for trying to add to the bubble. Australia has failed to heed the warnings of the past and need to be taught a lesson.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

It would screw with people who have bought but not with those who hadn't. Anyone who is buying now is a fool and deserve to be screwed for trying to add to the bubble. Australia has failed to heed the warnings of the past and need to be taught a lesson.

Such an ignorant statement. People buy and sell houses when they need to, not when the market is up or down. Some need to relocate, some need to liquidate some equity and others would just really prefer not to be in the position of paying rent (ie. the biggest waste of money in human history). People can't wait for a bubble to supposedly pop when they've been told the bubble is about to pop for 10 years.

 

[Seeds]

Such an ignorant statement. People buy and sell houses when they need to, not when the market is up or down. Some need to relocate, some need to liquidate some equity and others would just really prefer not to be in the position of paying rent (ie. the biggest waste of money in human history). People can't wait for a bubble to supposedly pop when they've been told the bubble is about to pop for 10 years.

Moving from one house to another won't create a loss for anyone. It's a net change of zero in housing demand. It's only people entering the market or buying additional houses that are adding to demand. And none of these people need to do it. Renting is always an option. Buying assets that people can't afford is foolish. Buying assets with very little return is foolish. Anyone who is buying now either hasn't done due diligence or is expecting the bubble to keep going and wants to be a part of it. Anyone who wants to be a part of a speculation bubble deserves to be punished. We have to stop herding behaviour as a society and if people aren't going to listen to the experts then they will have to pay.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Moving from one house to another won't create a loss for anyone. It's a net change of zero in housing demand. It's only people entering the market or buying additional houses that are adding to demand. And none of these people need to do it. Renting is always an option. Buying assets that people can't afford is foolish. Buying assets with very little return is foolish. Anyone who is buying now either hasn't done due diligence or is expecting the bubble to keep going and wants to be a part of it. Anyone who wants to be a part of a speculation bubble deserves to be punished. We have to stop herding behaviour as a society and if people aren't going to listen to the experts then they will have to pay.

Listen to the experts... what a ludicrous statement. What makes them experts? When have they been right? People criticized those buying houses in Pascoe Vale, Newport and Mulgrave 5 years ago in 2011 when the median house price tipped $600,000 in that area; now the median house price is close to if not over $1,000,000 in each of those areas. All of those people who bought when the bubble was going to burst have well and truly got enough equity in their house to sell, pay off their loan including interest and have a sizeable deposit for a new one. Every person who bought a house in that supposedly dangerous period has come out a winner. Interest rates remained at record lows, prices continued their meteoric rise all in the face of what the media announced every day to sell news papers.

It goes to show that all this scare about the housing bubble is driven by people with no clue what the housing market is going to do next. The real suckers would be those who could have bought back in 2011 and chose not to because of this impending burst. Instead of having a loan worth half their house, they've sat back and watched property prices rise faster than they could save. They're no closer to buying a house and they never will be.

Further, choosing to rent when you have the option to buy is the worst decision anybody can make. A sensible purchase of a standalone house, but even a unit or a townhouse in some areas, with enough margin added in for rises and falls in interest rates is suitably low risk and likely to dramatically increase in value in the long term. A short term dip should not be of huge concern to anybody, unless you plan to sell immediately. It's a much better proposition than paying off somebody else's mortgage.

I presume you'd like people to rent because you have a mortgage on an investment property which you'd like paid off?

 

[Todman]

While the country continues to import highly skilled immigrants who are on long term contracts the property prices will continue to climb. Slash our immigration and outlaw foreign ownership of will ease demand and prices.

If you are a landlord and you have your property leased for twelve months then you are lucky to keep 8 months. Council rates will take a month and the new re-valued land tax will take two months. Services and repairs will eat up the fourth month.

 

[Sainteric]

Some trees the Libs like it seems. They are a small sacrifice to the grtaer efficiency meaning reduce d carbon etc

Only a cmfeu puppet could be such a environmental squib. The trees will win out.

 

[pazza]

You still confident about this prediction pazza?

Yep.

This is just one poll. Every other poll prior to this point has been close to 45% LNP 55% ALP 2PP. Bit of a rogue. And done in such a way it fails to ask questions on key issues.

Looks like a phone poll for the sake of it.

 

[The Punter]

Looks like a phone poll for the sake of it.

As opposed to all the polls which are conducted to help people.

 

[Visions]

Listen to the experts... what a ludicrous statement. What makes them experts? When have they been right? People criticized those buying houses in Pascoe Vale, Newport and Mulgrave 5 years ago in 2011 when the median house price tipped $600,000 in that area; now the median house price is close to if not over $1,000,000 in each of those areas. All of those people who bought when the bubble was going to burst have well and truly got enough equity in their house to sell, pay off their loan including interest and have a sizeable deposit for a new one. Every person who bought a house in that supposedly dangerous period has come out a winner. Interest rates remained at record lows, prices continued their meteoric rise all in the face of what the media announced every day to sell news papers.

It goes to show that all this scare about the housing bubble is driven by people with no clue what the housing market is going to do next. The real suckers would be those who could have bought back in 2011 and chose not to because of this impending burst. Instead of having a loan worth half their house, they've sat back and watched property prices rise faster than they could save. They're no closer to buying a house and they never will be.

Further, choosing to rent when you have the option to buy is the worst decision anybody can make. A sensible purchase of a standalone house, but even a unit or a townhouse in some areas, with enough margin added in for rises and falls in interest rates is suitably low risk and likely to dramatically increase in value in the long term. A short term dip should not be of huge concern to anybody, unless you plan to sell immediately. It's a much better proposition than paying off somebody else's mortgage.

I presume you'd like people to rent because you have a mortgage on an investment property which you'd like paid off?

Totally agree with your post.

It's become a boy who cried wolf scenario with these experts banging on every year for the last decade and a half about a housing market bubble and an imminent crash which we all know has not happened.

The ones you have to feel sorry for are those punters that listened to these muppets in fear of a crash (or those just hoping to pick up a deal) so held off on buying. All they have been doing is chasing the market since needing bigger deposits and bigger loans, so are kicking themselves that they ever listened to those so called experts when they could have comfortably bought back then.

Sure there will be dips in the market, always has been in past history and always will be going forward. But the notion of a crash with prices dropping 40-50% is just ludicrous. Anyone who expects and hopes that occurs deserves to just sit by and watch their chances of buying disappear.

Yet that won't stop those "experts" who have been categorically wrong from perpetuating this myth of theirs with fearmongering. Otherwise they would be irrelevant, which incidentally is exactly what they should be.

 

[Visions]

Yep.

This is just one poll. Every other poll prior to this point has been close to 45% LNP 55% ALP 2PP. Bit of a rogue. And done in such a way it fails to ask questions on key issues.

Looks like a phone poll for the sake of it.

Galaxy in November had Labor ahead 52-48 and then a month ago had them ahead 51-49.

This poll may be a rogue but the 55-45 you suggest is extremely doubtful.

Andrews is on the nose and his and ALP's support is dropping. Whether that can be stemmed remains to be seen.

 

[aCunningPlan]

Essential poll conducted between Feb 9 and Mar 5 has Labor up 53% to LNP 47% TPP.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...-bleeding-voters-new-poll#sjzE7uugjTEEKt9Y.99

 

[Pessimistic]

Totally agree with your post.

It's become a boy who cried wolf scenario with these experts banging on every year for the last decade and a half about a housing market bubble and an imminent crash which we all know has not happened.

The ones you have to feel sorry for are those punters that listened to these muppets in fear of a crash (or those just hoping to pick up a deal) so held off on buying. All they have been doing is chasing the market since needing bigger deposits and bigger loans, so are kicking themselves that they ever listened to those so called experts when they could have comfortably bought back then.

Sure there will be dips in the market, always has been in past history and always will be going forward. But the notion of a crash with prices dropping 40-50% is just ludicrous. Anyone who expects and hopes that occurs deserves to just sit by and watch their chances of buying disappear.

Yet that won't stop those "experts" who have been categorically wrong from perpetuating this myth of theirs with fearmongering. Otherwise they would be irrelevant, which incidentally is exactly what they should be.

Many tree change or sea change areas values have hardly moved in years. if you want a desirable suburb in melbourne, the things which drove doubling of values every seven years will probably continue which suggests average prices of $5mill or more in 20 years time

 

[tandino]

Many tree change or sea change areas values have hardly moved in years. if you want a desirable suburb in melbourne, the things which drove doubling of values every seven years will probably continue which suggests average prices of $5mill or more in 20 years time

How's a wage earner going to service that debt?

 

[Pessimistic]

How's a wage earner going to service that debt?

House prices gone up x8 times in 21 years, wages gone up x4 is that about right?

by the same token investors cant get rental rises of x4 let alone eight so there may be a braking effect.

or average wage earners get pushed further and further to the fringe, or stacked up in dog boxes

 

[Pessimistic]

Also the boomer effect will cool as they start to die off