Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[doodles98]

Ok doodles after this post I will try and stop sounding like a broken record on Bucks coaching performance on Friday night.

Like I have said numerous times I sit in the pocket at the Punt RD end...........I also have watched the replay twice.
Let me just say nothing beats watching a game live to get a full perspective of the ground and set ups.........but let me also say that you see things on TV that that you don't see at the ground.

Now I went to the WC inner sanctum game last year. Before the game we went into the media room and our defensive coach (B.Hart) explained our plan of attack/defence for that day. He said that Brown was directed to stand shoulder to shoulder with Kennedy.

Long story short I was horrified at the end of the first quarter that Brown allowed five metres from him and his opponent........did Hart take the piss when he explained our game plan? Possible but not likely when we are talking about a negating player like Brown.

Look I am on record as saying I don't think Bucks can coach and was very critical of him last year early on.

But on Friday I blamed dumb footballers for our loss........people think it's the coaches job to make them smart but a dumb footballer is a dumb footballer.

I used the Brown example to highlight a plan by coaches that wasn't executed by a player........interesting to me the player is no longer at our Club (and coach )

IMO Friday night wasn't Bucks fault.......all David King's red circles and the media's agenda won't change what I witnessed with my own eyes. Also my blinkers aren't on tight enough to acknowledge if Bucks did OK.

Can Bucks coach?

This Thursday's game is massive in my eyes for him.

P.S In the third quarter I stood up an screamed at Fasolo to provide a lead from CHB when it was obvious to me he would have marked easily on his own at CHF if he worked hard enough.

CFC, I respect your knowledge of the game and that you were there seeing it live. I do not dispute that it was the skill error and structure we played with that cost us the game. I don't accept and strongly challenge your assertion that this has nothing to do with coaching and there was nothing Bucks could've done about it. Hes had 5 years to work on these exact same issues. 5 years of players apparently not following instruction and playing to gameplan. You can either blame our playing list, which we have turned over more than any other team, or you can face the fact that it is a coaching issue. Getting the players properly drilled to execute a gameplan for a round 1 season opener shouldn't be an issue. They've had all summer to work on it.
So the question I want you to consider is this: do you believe we have had 5 years worth of players who are dumb and cannot listen and learn and follow the instructions of the coach, do you believe our list is chronically unskilled and the coach has not had opportunity to address our ball use over 5 years.

He can't do anything about the horrible run with injuries and offield drama and I feel for Bucks there. But everything else is well and truly part of his remit. Blaming the players or the list is absolutely no out for Bucks.
That said, I was pleased with a lot of the performance against the dogs.. lot to like.. we should have won and we will beat a lot of teams with that performance, so I am not ragging on Bucks...Just disagreeing with the ... "It was all the players fault" line you're taking. Shared responsibility.

 

[CFC2010]

CFC, I respect your knowledge of the game and that you were there seeing it live. I do not dispute that it was the skill error and structure we played with that cost us the game. I don't accept and strongly challenge your assertion that this has nothing to do with coaching and there was nothing Bucks could've done about it. Hes had 5 years to work on these exact same issues. 5 years of players apparently not following instruction and playing to gameplan. You can either blame our playing list, which we have turned over more than any other team, or you can face the fact that it is a coaching issue. Getting the players properly drilled to execute a gameplan for a round 1 season opener shouldn't be an issue. They've had all summer to work on it.
So the question I want you to consider is this: do you believe we have had 5 years worth of players who are dumb and cannot listen and learn and follow the instructions of the coach, do you believe our list is chronically unskilled and the coach has not had opportunity to address our ball use over 5 years.

He can't do anything about the horrible run with injuries and offield drama and I feel for Bucks there. But everything else is well and truly part of his remit. Blaming the players or the list is absolutely no out for Bucks.
That said, I was pleased with a lot of the performance against the dogs.. lot to like.. we should have won and we will beat a lot of teams with that performance, so I am not ragging on Bucks...Just disagreeing with the ... "It was all the players fault" line you're taking. Shared responsibility.

When is see Pendles run 100 metres in the last quarter to cover for three defenders that thought they were "Christopher Columbus" discovering new land on the MCG then I question our players IQ.........because I can guarantee you Bucks wouldn't instruct them to be pushing so high up the ground.

Anyway I think I have bored enough people on this topic. Time to let it go.

Bring on the Tigers I say.

In = Broomhead, Aish, Dunn
Out = Varcoe, Blair, Cox

 

[jmac70]

CFC, I respect your knowledge of the game and that you were there seeing it live. I do not dispute that it was the skill error and structure we played with that cost us the game. I don't accept and strongly challenge your assertion that this has nothing to do with coaching and there was nothing Bucks could've done about it. Hes had 5 years to work on these exact same issues. 5 years of players apparently not following instruction and playing to gameplan. You can either blame our playing list, which we have turned over more than any other team, or you can face the fact that it is a coaching issue. Getting the players properly drilled to execute a gameplan for a round 1 season opener shouldn't be an issue. They've had all summer to work on it.
So the question I want you to consider is this: do you believe we have had 5 years worth of players who are dumb and cannot listen and learn and follow the instructions of the coach, do you believe our list is chronically unskilled and the coach has not had opportunity to address our ball use over 5 years.

He can't do anything about the horrible run with injuries and offield drama and I feel for Bucks there. But everything else is well and truly part of his remit. Blaming the players or the list is absolutely no out for Bucks.
That said, I was pleased with a lot of the performance against the dogs.. lot to like.. we should have won and we will beat a lot of teams with that performance, so I am not ragging on Bucks...Just disagreeing with the ... "It was all the players fault" line you're taking. Shared responsibility.

There is another option...

We just lost to a better team.

 

[doodles98]

There is another option...

We just lost to a better team.

we did
But I was talking about problems that remain problems year after year... not just one game.

 

[jmac70]

we did
But I was talking about problems that remain problems year after year... not just one game.

How do know those problems are still a problem after only one game into the season?

 

[doodles98]

How do know those problems are still a problem after only one game into the season?

because they were in that game; which is what we were analyzing.

I'm crap at predicting the future and discussing future predicted issues.... you?

 

[jmac70]

because they were in that game; which is what we were analyzing.

I'm crap at predicting the future and discussing future predicted issues.... you?

All I'm saying is that any analysis of performance needs to be measured against the opposition. The Bulldogs are very good at exploiting the zone. There is no doubt our team has plenty to improve on and tweak, but there is no need to abandon our game plan, or to start thinking about a new coach just yet. If we bring the same intensity to the Richmond game we should win comfortably.

 

[doodles98]

All I'm saying is that any analysis of performance needs to be measured against the opposition. The Bulldogs are very good at exploiting the zone. There is no doubt our team has plenty to improve on and tweak, but there is no need to abandon our game plan, or to start thinking about a new coach just yet. If we bring the same intensity to the Richmond game we should win comfortably.

I am not suggesting we need to abandon our gameplan or that it's panic stations. I'm not saying it was a poor coaching performance. Just responding to those who are trying to give the coach an out by solely blaming the players for things that have been ongoing issues for years now.
Bulldogs were brilliant in defense. They are naturally suited to defending and countering.. we played into their hands a bit. We would beat most teams with the effort we put out. Bulldogs deserved credit for being able to counter us.
I've said all this!

 

[jmac70]

I am not suggesting we need to abandon our gameplan or that it's panic stations. I'm not saying it was a poor coaching performance. Just responding to those who are trying to give the coach an out by solely blaming the players for things that have been ongoing issues for years now.
Bulldogs were brilliant in defense. They are naturally suited to defending and countering.. we played into their hands a bit. We would beat most teams with the effort we put out. Bulldogs deserved credit for being able to counter us.
I've said all this!

You said we have a coaching issue because nothing has changed in five years. I was simply pointing out that it is too early to make that judgement.

 

[doodles98]

You said we have a coaching issue because nothing has changed in five years. I was simply pointing out that it is too early to make that judgement.

5 years and round 1 this year not enough? As I said, I can't base it on a prediction of the future, only what I've seen so far. Wasn't discussing what "might" happen.

 

[doodles98]

How do you know he'll only last a quarter?

Jmac has oracle powers Mikey. I think he is hinting to me that he has seen a future where our players are well drilled and structured in accordance with a winning gameplan and they execute it brilliantly with skill and poise. Get excited!

 

[jmac70]

5 years and round 1 this year not enough? As I said, I can't base it on a prediction of the future, only what I've seen so far. Wasn't discussing what "might" happen.

Here is where our paths diverge. IMO, the past five years have nothing to do with last weeks game. That history will only become relevant if we continue to lose games and continue to concede goals on the counter. Right now it is too early to make the call that we have a coaching issue.

 

[jmac70]

Jmac has oracle powers Mikey. I think he is hinting to me that he has seen a future where our players are well drilled and structured in accordance with a winning gameplan and they execute it brilliantly with skill and poise. Get excited!

That's a little condescending.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Jmac has oracle powers Mikey. I think he is hinting to me that he has seen a future where our players are well drilled and structured in accordance with a winning gameplan and they execute it brilliantly with skill and poise. Get excited!

Brainwashing each and every player to act and play the same way.. lets just overlook the fact that they do all have different personalities. Onya Bucks.. always destined to succeed.

 

[doodles98]

Here is where our paths diverge. IMO, the past five years have nothing to do with last weeks game. That history will only become relevant if we continue to lose games and continue to concede goals on the counter. Right now it is too early to make the call that we have a coaching issue.

Yes our paths diverge here. Bucks has this year to get it right. He doesnt have wriggle room to have these issues anymore. He has to get it right, the players have to get it right and it all has to come together.. starting round 1...., not staring round 6 or something. And we have to have some luck as well.. otherwise he's out of a job.
I will be making my calls week to week based on what I see and with 5 years of back-knowledge to guide my interpretations. Hoping we are going to iron out our issues in-season ain't gonna cut it with the logjam of teams trying to make the 8.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Yes our paths diverge here. Bucks has this year to get it right. He doesnt have wriggle room to have these issues anymore. He has to get it right, the players have to get it right and it all has to come together.. starting round 1...., not staring round 6 or something. And we have to have some luck as well.. otherwise he's out of a job.
I will be making my calls week to week based on what I see and with 5 years of back-knowledge to guide my interpretations. Hoping we are going to iron out our issues in-season ain't gonna cut it with the logjam of teams trying to make the 8.

He is under that much scrutiny and has been for yrs.. regardless of how we perform this yr.. even if we do make the 8 and he does get a 2 yr contract.. I really don't see a long term future for him. The scrutiny will always be there. How is a coach not able to address getting f on the slingshot for so long now.. what's he been doing for the last 6 mths.. how can you not plan for it.. Unbelievable man.

 

[doodles98]

That's a little condescending.

Ok sorry it was a bit. But posters on here shielding Bucks from criticism ain't going to make any difference this year! It's like some of you don't understand the urgency of the situation he's in.. It has to all come together this year starting NOW if we are any chance of making finals.

I'm tired of the excuse making and the "oh we're on the right track we just need to ..." mentality. I'll be calling it as I see it week to week... because that's where we're at with his coaching tenure. I am hoping like mad he succeeds and gets it right. I think it's vital for our club and the teams future that we make finals this year.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

That's a little condescending.

You were as anti.Buckley as anyone earlier last year. What caused the back flip that now sees you a staunch defender. I don't get it.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Ok sorry it was a bit. But posters on here shielding Bucks from criticism ain't going to make any difference this year! It's like some of you don't understand the urgency of the situation he's in.. It has to all come together this year starting NOW if we are any chance of making finals.

I'm tired of the excuse making and the "oh we're on the right track we just need to ..." mentality. I'll be calling it as I see it week to week... because that's where we're at with his coaching tenure. I am hoping like mad he succeeds and gets it right. I think it's vital for our club and the teams future that we make finals this year.

Perhaps Bucks is in fact playing the game himself.. perhaps he does see us as a finals side.. or perhaps he knows we need to make finals or the blow torch will be all over him. So whats bucks actually saying that we dont know.. sweet f all!!!

If we do make finals that'll give him the 2 year extension. And he can cont on his yr 10 project IQ coaching regime.

He's a very average coach.. simple as that.

 

[jmac70]

Brainwashing each and every player to act and play the same way.. lets just overlook the fact that they do all have different personalities. Onya Bucks.. always destined to succeed.

For someone who claims to be a member of the Woodsmen you say some silly things.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Buckley reminds me of a vegan. Totally opposed to everyone who is not. Overlooks the fact the a vegan diet has actually contributed to the diabetes 2 epidemic.

Embrace the 5 basic food groups.. and you'll find you'll live a happy and healthy life.

That's why I shop at IGA.

 

[jmac70]

You were as anti.Buckley as anyone earlier last year. What caused the back flip that now sees you a staunch defender. I don't get it.

I would have supported a change of coach last year, but the club chose to stick with Bucks this year. I don't see the point in calling for change after round 1. If we hit the mid point of the season out of contention then I will conceed that he needs to be replaced. I saw a lot to like against the Dogs and am hopeful he may have turned things around.

 

[jmac70]

Yes our paths diverge here. Bucks has this year to get it right. He doesnt have wriggle room to have these issues anymore. He has to get it right, the players have to get it right and it all has to come together.. starting round 1...., not staring round 6 or something. And we have to have some luck as well.. otherwise he's out of a job.
I will be making my calls week to week based on what I see and with 5 years of back-knowledge to guide my interpretations. Hoping we are going to iron out our issues in-season ain't gonna cut it with the logjam of teams trying to make the 8.

So if we beat Richmond you will be back on the board the Bucks bus?

 

[nahnah]

I would have supported a change of coach last year, but the club chose to stick with Bucks this year. I don't see the point in calling for change after round 1. If we hit the mid point of the season out of contention then I will conceed that he needs to be replaced. I saw a lot to like against the Dogs and am hopeful he may have turned things around.

Tomorrow night is huge for Bucks future imo, lose to the Tigers and we will likely be 0-3 and finals will almost be out of reach already

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Tomorrow night is huge for Bucks future imo, lose to the Tigers and we will likely be 0-3 and finals will almost be out of reach already

Agreed. It's a crunch night, particularly if we lose and leak out the back again. A lot of supporters will question their willingness to give him the benefit of the doubt. Richmond are one side we would have expected to beat prior to the start of the season.