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Interesting interview with Phil Caramen on 3AW yesterday. I had forgotten that Tom Hafey hadn't forgiven him for missing the GF. Apparently Carmen said that they hadn't spoken to each other before Hafey died.

Wonder if things would have been different with the current man management for players like Carmen and Millane?
Carman was ahead of his time in many ways.
He'd have lapped up the all day at club and training thing.

Still always was a few screws loose. If Hafey had troubles with him, and everyone else, we'd handle him just as poorly.
But he's ultimately responsible.
His brain fade in 1977 certainly cost us something? Shane Bond coming in on memory and was a reserve only, was not Phil Carman on the field playing.

Fascinating character but cost us plenty, what may have been.....
 
Interesting interview with Phil Caramen on 3AW yesterday. I had forgotten that Tom Hafey hadn't forgiven him for missing the GF. Apparently Carmen said that they hadn't spoken to each other before Hafey died.

Wonder if things would have been different with the current man management for players like Carmen and Millane?
Millane?
Just not sure his heavy drinking would be acceptable at any club these days.
But one thing Millane was a great team man, strong willed, so it's quite likely he'd put in at training, "drink away" like Swan did.
I think the issue for us is dealing with players at training being turkeys.
From what I gather Millane trained really well, Swan did all on the track.
Millane was very respected.

But tragically sad, his actions cost him the ultimate. It's a very very sad reminder.
 
Interesting interview with Phil Caramen on 3AW yesterday. I had forgotten that Tom Hafey hadn't forgiven him for missing the GF. Apparently Carmen said that they hadn't spoken to each other before Hafey died.

Wonder if things would have been different with the current man management for players like Carmen and Millane?
Both those players would be super stars today, both likely to be midfielders because of their tanks.
Monday mornings would be all about how those two smashed teams
 

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I'm not asking why we got rid of him , Im asking why the Dogs thought he was a good fit. Which he isnt.

It's called improving your team.

Necessary evil Timmy..........Redpath is coming of an ACL yeah?
 
It's called improving your team.

Necessary evil Timmy..........Redpath is coming of an ACL yeah?

Yep and hes back. Not the first to get an ACL.

Cloke now a depth option?

I just dont think Cloke chose the right team and I dont think the Dogs needed him. Which I said at the time....time will tell when all are fully fit what line up they go with.

They still have Roughead to return as well, freeing Boyd up as a forward.
 
Yep and hes back. Not the first to get an ACL.

Cloke now a depth option?

I just dont think Cloke chose the right team and I dont think the Dogs needed him. Which I said at the time....time will tell when all are fully fit what line up they go with.

They still have Roughead to return as well, freeing Boyd up as a forward.

I think Cloke picked the perfect team...........as you say time will tell.
 
Every body loves Raymond's., my parents did that's where they met.Raymond was and is a collingwood institution, how so, every time you go to Vic Park you walk or see them. The factories surrounding Vicpark are all ex Raymond''s!
Huge after and during WW2 Not only did Raymond's make shoes (they also created the first footy board game) they also fielded a football and cricket team in a competition more important than almost life.itself. Police,,CUB,fire brigade you name it all had teams and Raymond's more than held their own ,because it was crucial ,it meant your job!
For recreation darky would turn up and slap around a few "heavys" in the vfl reserves to as he said "keep the eye in" and let the young blokes walk a bit taller.
Make no mistake the champions played midweek .
Great mates with many great pies ,I was humbled at his funeral to see all the guys I idolised paying respects and they weren't all pies men!He took me into the rooms, he showed me Respect for the pies, you NEVER bad mouthed OUR club.
He idolised Leeter collier (a mentor) and was coached by stacky ( I used to sit on his knee) , these blokes stuck FAT and supported each other through thick and thin, worked together and chased skirt together. Real men who never spooked, took it on the chin and GOT ON WITH IT.
Raymond's was were you worked if you weren't working with Jock at the breweries, and playing in that league meant you earnt your stripes quick.it was never ever soft ,but it was a great standard.
Seems to me that when Raymond's shut , so did some of our soul!
Anyone else heard of Raymond's or know much about the midweek work competition?
Love to hear
 
Every body loves Raymond's., my parents did that's where they met.Raymond was and is a collingwood institution, how so, every time you go to Vic Park you walk or see them. The factories surrounding Vicpark are all ex Raymond''s!
Huge after and during WW2 Not only did Raymond's make shoes (they also created the first footy board game) they also fielded a football and cricket team in a competition more important than almost life.itself. Police,,CUB,fire brigade you name it all had teams and Raymond's more than held their own ,because it was crucial ,it meant your job!
For recreation darky would turn up and slap around a few "heavys" in the vfl reserves to as he said "keep the eye in" and let the young blokes walk a bit taller.
Make no mistake the champions played midweek .
Great mates with many great pies ,I was humbled at his funeral to see all the guys I idolised paying respects and they weren't all pies men!He took me into the rooms, he showed me Respect for the pies, you NEVER bad mouthed OUR club.
He idolised Leeter collier (a mentor) and was coached by stacky ( I used to sit on his knee) , these blokes stuck FAT and supported each other through thick and thin, worked together and chased skirt together. Real men who never spooked, took it on the chin and GOT ON WITH IT.
Raymond's was were you worked if you weren't working with Jock at the breweries, and playing in that league meant you earnt your stripes quick.it was never ever soft ,but it was a great standard.
Seems to me that when Raymond's shut , so did some of our soul!
Anyone else heard of Raymond's or know much about the midweek work competition?
Love to hear
I certainly haven't heard of Raymonds, but I'm not from Victoria, and don't exactly know much about the area around Victoria Park! You must be referring to the Industrial League, which had a Saturday morning and Wednesday competition. Did they play against the likes of the police and fire brigade teams, or were they in another competition?

There's a bit of a rundown on the Wednesday League here (but not the competition Raymonds played in):- http://www.boylesfootballphotos.net.au/Wednesday+League

http://www.footypedia.com/00003014.htm

Finding decent info on this team/competition around here wouldn't be easy, perhaps try on the Footy History board if you like.

I've had a bit of a look on Trove, you can find plenty there on the Raymonds team in the Industrial League if you wish to look. Finally, I'm curious, who are you referring to with this "For recreation darky would turn up and slap around a few "heavys" in the vfl reserves ~~"?!
 
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