Bluemour Discussion Thread IV

[GoBlues!]

If Browny is just leading us on, I will dead set run him down in my car..... No doubt writing off my car and leaving him with a couple of scratches and a mild headache to teach him his lesson....

In a roundabout way that's already happened to him.......actually it was in a roundabout.

 

[Arr0w]

Doesn't happen too often though. In fact it was the first time a team from 7th won it. Crows did it from 6th I think it was once but I wouldn't be using them as an example.

I'm not using them as a measuring stick and ladder position means little when making finals, but given most see Kelly as the most important target, over guys like Hopper, Whitfield, Smith who would improve our side dramatically in terms of overall class and depth

 

[rp84]

I'm not using them as a measuring stick and ladder position means little when making finals, but given most see Kelly as the most important target, over guys like Hopper, Whitfield, Smith who would improve our side dramatically in terms of overall class and depth

Let's not confuse potential with class/quality.

Kelly is already a star of the game. The others have serious knocks on their game at the moment.

1. Hopper- injuries and form (playing as the one of the lower ranked players on his team with likely little attention given to him in defensive planning)
2. Whitfield- character, fairly outside (though certainly does rack up tackle stats), kicks 0.5goals a game over his career in an ultra attacking team
3. Smith- one goal per game in an attacking team as a small forward

That said, I like all these players, and would certainly have them. Particularly Whitfield and Smith. Not sold on Hopper yet. Nowhere near enough to get super excited about, IMO. Love to see how he goes with a tag, or as the second best midfielder.

Kelly is another level or two higher than these guys. IF the price is right (and the right price to me is our first pick only, ideally with their 3rd rounder coming back to us if they wont use it). If we are required to send pick 18, I'd want Whitfield or Smith (more realistic) and their second coming back.

I just don't get why people want to trade next year's pick instead of this year, IF there is a Kelly trade. There is nothing available at pick 2 this year that is even close to Kelly. If we are sitting in the pick 2-6 range next year, there seems to be a few options that may be the same calibre (time will tell).

We need to place elite running mids around Cripps, as soon as possible.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

Hopper + Whitfield would make us a much better side than just Kelly. We're desperate for depth.

 

[Arr0w]

Let's not confuse potential with class/quality.

Kelly is already a star of the game. The others have serious knocks on their game.

Not confusing it at all, Kelly is an exciting footballer, but he is not the messiah and won't address our woes exclusively

How much difference do people actually think he will make, especially with Gibbs leaving?

While you and many others see Kelly is the most important puzzle to our rebuild, I would rather add Whitfield, Hooper and Smith over one elite midfielder at this stage of our rebuild

 

[rp84]

Not confusing it at all, Kelly is an exciting footballer, but he is not the messiah and won't address our woes exclusively

How much difference do people actually think he will make, especially with Gibbs leaving?

While you and many others see Kelly is the most important puzzle to our rebuild, I would rather add Whitfield, Hooper and Smith over one elite midfielder at this stage of our rebuild

And how are you going to get those 3? Is Whitfield on the table?

 

[rp84]

Not confusing it at all, Kelly is an exciting footballer, but he is not the messiah and won't address our woes exclusively

How much difference do people actually think he will make, especially with Gibbs leaving?

While you and many others see Kelly is the most important puzzle to our rebuild, I would rather add Whitfield, Hooper and Smith over one elite midfielder at this stage of our rebuild

He will be our best midfielder for 10 years. That's the difference he would make.

 

[Beast__Mode]

If the price for either Kelly or Whitfield/Hopper/Smith etc is involving our 1st pick, and let's say it's #2 - I want Kelly.

Picks that high shouldnt be used in pu pu platter deals. I'm only trading that kind of pick for a bona fide star.

Depth = important. Absolute star power = also important. Hence why Nth could never bridge the gap during their prelim years.

 

[ferrisb]

clowns & arsehats are out tonight..........

Yet here we are, stuck in the middle with you....

 

[FoeverBlues]

Not confusing it at all, Kelly is an exciting footballer, but he is not the messiah and won't address our woes exclusively

How much difference do people actually think he will make, especially with Gibbs leaving?

While you and many others see Kelly is the most important puzzle to our rebuild, I would rather add Whitfield, Hooper and Smith over one elite midfielder at this stage of our rebuild

Then Kelley and Sheil next year

 

[Funk]

Why are we not talking about Neville Jetta and going after him. He is rock solid strong composed and does not go to ground just what we need.

I thought I read recently he has signed new contract with Dees.

 

[thylacine60]

Not confusing it at all, Kelly is an exciting footballer, but he is not the messiah and won't address our woes exclusively

How much difference do people actually think he will make, especially with Gibbs leaving?

While you and many others see Kelly is the most important puzzle to our rebuild, I would rather add Whitfield, Hooper and Smith over one elite midfielder at this stage of our rebuild

No question.

 

[Crippa2017]

I got on Kelly for the brownlow for this year before Xmas, I'm a big fan of his work, but worried how he will go with a tag, but I guess the more elites we get the less tagable.

If we can get Kelly for our first this year that's a great deal.


We will still be a few years off though as Gibbs is out the door, Murph wrong side of 30 and we are all ready short of good mids.

What odds did you get?

Good point re dogs

 

[Stig O'Hara]

What is the timeframe for Kelly to nominate us?

 

[Jeremias]

What is the timeframe for Kelly to nominate us?

I wouldn't expect to hear anything concrete until after the Giants finish up their finals campaign.

 

[Crippa2017]

What is the timeframe for Kelly to nominate us?

I believe he is genuinely undecided.

Normally if not signed by finals is gone. In this case, I think it will be mid October before we know. If he leaves, we have the currency over Essendon. Only threat is the Tigers if Dusty leaves. Kelly is their break glass in case Dusty leaves play

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I believe he is genuinely undecided.

Normally if not signed by finals is gone. In this case, I think it will be mid October before we know. If he leaves, we have the currency over Essendon. Only threat is the Tigers if Dusty leaves. Kelly is their break glass in case Dusty leaves play

Still think the Saints will have a say....they're the ones holding the aces in regards to high end picks.

 

[Crippa2017]

Still think the Saints will have a say....they're the ones holding the aces in regards to high end picks.

wants a big club

 

[Red Bull]

Still think the Saints will have a say....they're the ones holding the aces in regards to high end picks.

Who holds what picks means nothing mate .
Kelly's nomination means everything and whoever gets it gets the deal done .

 

[Soapy V]

Hopper + Whitfield would make us a much better side than just Kelly. We're desperate for depth.

Not an easy answer. If Charlie SPS Fisher Cuningham Polson (added to Murphy Curnow & Cripps) all step up then I think Kelly is the better addition. Adds that elite class & ball use we lack. Allows Docherty & Byrne to settle in defence and Pickett on the outside.

If they don't we are in trouble and will need more players for depth but still need elite talent. Lots of "if's and but's" still at the moment

Dream scenario is Kelly Hopper & Balic (cheap) and 4-5 draft picks. Very interesting draft/trade period coming up

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Who holds what picks means nothing mate .
Kelly's nomination means everything and whoever gets it gets the deal done .

Not saying he'll nominate the Saints, just saying they have picks to throw around, heard Fagan is open to put the Brions first first rounder on the table which to me shows clubs are a bit nervy about this year's draft.

 

[Arr0w]

And how are you going to get those 3? Is Whitfield on the table?

Hasn't it been rumoured that SOS is keen on Whitfield? We don't have to get all 3 to improve of class and depth, 2 would suffice

He will be our best midfielder for 10 years. That's the difference he would make.

Any of the above mentioned would be in our best midfielders for the next 10 years and that is the difference.

As I said, it is clear how impatient people are with this rebuild, by wanting Kelly, over multiple quality midfielders, I doubt SOS & Co won't be as impatient

 

[HARKER]

Any of the above mentioned would be in our best midfielders for the next 10 years and that is the difference.
As I said, it is clear how impatient people are with this rebuild, by wanting Kelly, over multiple quality midfielders, I doubt SOS & Co won't be as impatient

Kelly on his own this year, wouldn't take us far at all.
SOS has the bigger picture at hand, but without knowing what may be in store for next year, a haul of one Kelly just isn't enough.

We need to be able to share the loads and have the ability to 'rest' Cripps forward.
This is a very important year for us in terms of establishing our longer term midfield.....and it will be done.

 

[Soapy V]

As I said, it is clear how impatient people are with this rebuild, by wanting Kelly, over multiple quality midfielders, I doubt SOS & Co won't be as impatient

I think it will be both. If Kelly wants to come to us they will grab him but will still target others and good draft picks. SOS will not put all our eggs in one basket. The ability of our kids to step up is the key. I expect Charlie & SPS to be elite midfielders that will add to Cripps & Murphy. If that happens it makes a massive difference to our list

 

[Red Bull]

Not saying he'll nominate the Saints, just saying they have picks to throw around, heard Fagan is open to put the Brions first first rounder on the table which to me shows clubs are a bit nervy about this year's draft.

With the advent of future picks trading , every club has picks to throw around and list managers would be negligent not to explore every Avenue in improving their lists .
The player nomination is now paramount , once a club secures this they just get the deal done .