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Why does ever second post have to be a pissing contest between clubs to truly determine which club is the biggest?
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There are a few posts that can be blatant as you suggest. Many posters provide comment with an interest or focus around the team they support which is natural enough. It may read as a pissing contest but I think most fall into commentary with a slant towards the club the poster barracks for.
It is a crowd thread. With that should entail providing information and context about crowds, match ups and Venus. We get done good robust discussion and debate which I thinks healthy. Sometimes it crosses the line but 'Wookie' is pretty effective at creating separate threads when the line gets crossed.
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Playing games out of Etihad as well
Where is Richmond??? 4th on the ladder and 3rd in attendance's against Essendon who are still in the finals hunt with only 1 game outside the 8 and Collingwood who cannot make finals.......sorry tiger fans buy Essendon and Collingwood are the big two In Victoria and by some margin if a top 4 Richmond cannot out draw a Essendon who is 10th and Collingwood who is 13th.
Might have to win a couple of premiership's to contend with the big boys
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Richmond will finish clear at the end. We finish with Carlton at the G, 2 Etihad games against interstate opponents and a trip to the woefully attended Suns. Will end up 30-40k behind the Tigers. We are definitely hampered by Etihad
Why Essendon decided to play at Etihad is beyond me. I remember when Etihad first asked Collingwood before Essendon to move to the stadium and Eddie said no due to the capacity of the stadium. Eddie said that if the stadium hold 65,000 Collingwood would of gone their.
You would think by the 2025 season Essendon will play 7 home games at the g and 4 home games ( against interstate teams) at Etihad.
Better they should bulldoze the stadium and build a 70,000 seat stadium they Essendon would be able to play 8 home games at the stadium and play home games against Collingwood, Carlton and Richmond at the mcg.
No doubt that Essendon are losing 50-70,000 fans per year playing at Etihad.
Seriously u sound like a broken record, im not sure how many times you need to say coll and ess are this and that, we are all big clubs and can out number each other on any given day!! Let's just leave it at that ok! Now, In reference to some points, you make out like ess are a million miles outside the top 8 had they won they would be in and have been in the 8 for parts of the year, they have taken a few scalps, playing exciting footy.
Even if Tiges were 6, 7 or 8th we would still be pulling the crowds, cause our footy brand has improved, our playing style. You make it out like we have been in the top 4 all year...And further more when u make comparisons, hows your draw u play more games at the G helps with crowds, u played ess twice that helped didnt it, you dont travel to catland. Just take ur rose coloured glasses off!!
Richmond will top the attendances by the end of the home & away season, im not sure why ur getting all up in arms about it...
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No one has managed to hold on to top spot for more than two weeks at a time then entire season.
Essendon should hold on this week and probably next to make it three weeks in a row but then have to take their turn at the crowd graveyard of Cararra, allowing Richmond to swoop in at the end and take it out. Still looks like it will end up less than 30k difference between 1st and third.
I now have Hawthorn pipping Carlton for 4th. Hawthorn's crowds should end up actually increasing on last year, and will remain in the same 840k-920k range that every single season of theirs from 2008 onwards has been in. So much for their crowds falling off a cliff.
Amazing year for crowds, games still exciting and only 4 rounds to go!
Wow no more than 2 weeks in a row, a true shuffling of the decks...
manicmagpie
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Never seen anything like it. By-product of the unpredictable results onfield and probably a fair bit of luck with how the fixture panned out, I guess.
Good analysis.
Re Hawthorn (my team so...) they will probably finish with the 10th home attendance (8th out of the Vic clubs), the largest away draw (pipping Collingwood) and the 4th overall (6 time in 9 years inside the top 4)
The 4 Tasmanian games cost Hawthorn approx 70k to 90k on year on attendance (based on average attendance between the clubs at corresponding fixtures in Melb) but the other impact is that more of our games against high drawing Vic clubs are away games. In 2017 just 3 of our 7 Melb home games are against Vic clubs and of the traditional power clubs (Coll, Carl, Ess, Rich) we play just one of them in home fixtures (Coll in Rd 14)
For Adelaide and Port Adelaide maybe but for the majority of clubs...not at all. Actually possibly the only true indicator is home attendance against out of state opposition but even then you have some clubs that play significant portion of matches at smaller capacity stadiums
So will this tassie experiment eventually cease? Your big enough and have enough money to finally end the tassie agreement.
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Adelaide can't control if Collingwood can only bring a pathetic 33,000 to a game, Brisbane and gold coast not bringing a man and his dog and playing games in Darwin and Hobart. 63.5% of Adelaide's home and away crowds come from it's home games. Clubs like Collingwood and Essendon its 50/50 even spread difference with home and away.
Collingwood are 13th on the lader. If Collingwood were in the 8 there would of been 45,000 at the game.
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Carlton got a bigger crowd against Adelaide then the "biggest club in the land" and there below you on the ladder
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That was on a Saturday not on the worst time slot 3:20 on a Sunday.
Anyway mate a wining Collingwood is yes the biggest club in the land. A lot of our supporters are boycotting games for various reasons as we all want change at the club
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...and another problem with using that method is that it's by default comparing Vic teams' lowest priority games. Vic teams get up to 17 games a year to choose from and like it or not, the games against non Vic teams are usually the ones most fans are least likely to want to go to (there are always exceptions - Haw v Syd a prime example). Hardly surprising that non Vic teams would have higher numbers in this regard.
But Vic clubs can control to some extent what figures they get at away games, hence why it carries some importance. There's no reason not to count the huge number of Hawthorn supporters attending away games this year, for instance.
Ultimately there is no single perfect crowd stat just as there isn't a single stat to explain who's the best player in the comp.
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Pull your head in. It was an above average crowd for Carlton v Adelaide and a below average one for us, so they ended up being virtually identical. There isn't any significant problem with 3:20 Sunday, it's nowhere near as bad as the twilight timeslot.
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Thank you! This d*** measuring contest including away games is a joke. Each club gets 11 home games. That's how you measure a clubs attendance plus average. If a club chooses to sell games then so be it. That's there problem. What Gold Coast, Port, West Coast, North draw when playing your side shouldn't have any barring.
AFL doesn't have away bays with capped numbers (Subiaco I think does but). You'll never know how many Richmond fans were at Gold Coast or Adelaide at the MCG. If 10k turn up at Canberra for GWS v Melb is that classed as a poor Melbourne turn out?
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Probably. It could have ceased in 2010 when the AFL offered us money to get North to take the games. Which would have been the perfect time to negotiate an exit (which would have been renewed in 2015, an even better time for Hawthorn).
Instead Hawthorn will probably be pushed from Tasmania in 2020 / 2021 during what could be a rebuild.
In terms of the agreement itself, who really knows. I'm not sure the full benefits of the agreement is in the public domain (ie benefits of a clean stadium etc)
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