List Mgmt. Re-Signing Jake Lever

[happy_knackers]

Using Tippett as an example, do you you ever wonder if clubs suffer buyers remorse?

You spelt Troy Menzel wrong

 

[xazos79]

There is a third option.

He may retire as an AFL footballer and follow his real dream of being a Papier Mache artist.

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[spenze]

Did anyone else not realise there were two McClures?

Mark is fat enough to be two people I have often thought

 

[Grenville]

You spelt Troy Menzel wrong

Will see your Menzel and raise you a Tambling!

 

[Pugsley]

Lever is saying whatever he has to say to make the question go away. Its really no more complex than that.

I usually pretend I don't understand English when a bloke asked me for 50 cents outside the railway station last week.

 

[arrowman]

Report on SEN

Tim Gossage believes the figures being bandied around for Adelaide’s out-of-contract duo Mitch McGovern and Jake Lever do not represent what they are worth.

McGovern has been linked with a move home to the WA clubs, but SEN’s West Australian commentator says he is not a $700,000 a year player, believing he hasn’t proved he can be a match winner on a consistent basis.

“He’s not worth it mate ($700k), fair dinkum, blokes who have an inflated price in the market, he hasn’t had an 80 goal season,” Gossage told SEN’s The Run Home.

“His career is going to go 250 games, do it more often. Yes it was a beautiful mark, it was a clutch goal, I understand the extremities of what it meant to them and their season, but he’s got to do it all the time.

“There are better players than him going around that won’t be paid as much.

“I know he’s a good player, but $600,000 maximum, $550k.”

Also said this about lever

“Jake Lever, if you said to me he would be one of the most sought after players in the competition right now, you would lock me up and put me in a padded cell,” he said.

“I think he’s a very good footballer, but he is not in the realms of $750-800,000. They’re not worth that money.”

My god, a footy journalist talking sense.

My faith is restored.

 

[Heafy83]

My god, a footy journalist talking sense.

My faith is restored.

In the old AFL he is talking making sense but not in the new AFL CBA world

Teams now have luxury of wrapping up 1-2 players at big overs due to a big increase in salary cap. You will find more and more young players be paid big numbers for their potential than rewarded for actual output moving forward. Its just the nature of the beast now.

 

[arrowman]

I understand that the club is instigating a new protocol for players who are going to be interviewed by the media.

"You are to be interviewed on suspicion of wanting to leave the club.
You do not have to say anything,
But it may harm your defence if you do not mention,
when questioned something which you later rely on in the court of public opinion.
Anything you do say may be repeated and speculated about on BigFooty."

 

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Lonergan Mackie Motlop opens up some serious money

They can offer him as much money as they want but they still have to get him out of Adelaide via trade.

Geelong don't have anything of value to trade.

The only possible way they could get Lever is to offer some sort of ridiculous million dollar + deal that no-one is prepared to match and get him via the PSD.

 

[mistylake]

I agree with all of this. Guv is very good - but he is third behind Tex and JJ, and still a baby in KPF terms. Lots of upside, but a lot of upside still to go.

And I love Jake, but I think 750k is way at the upper end of what he is worth right now

Problem is the market price might just be stupid.

As they say "There's one born every day ".

 

[Crowbots are dead]

In the old AFL he is talking making sense but not in the new AFL CBA world

Teams now have luxury of wrapping up 1-2 players at big overs due to a big increase in salary cap. You will find more and more young players be paid big numbers for their potential than rewarded for actual output moving forward. Its just the nature of the beast now.

Nothing has changed except the quantum though really. Clubs have always been able to do this and those that do won't win a premiership

 

[RodnyDangrfield]

There is a third option.

He may retire as an AFL footballer and follow his real dream of being a Papier Mache artist.

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Papier mâché....what the HELL is papier mâché!?

 

[Thetrader15]

I know who to believe. Lever said to Bickley's face. 'I have not met with Melbourne Bicks.' I'm confident he wouldn't set himself up to be labelled a liar.

So he met with someone who wasn't a Melbourne employee but was representing them,
Or
His manager met with Melbourne officials

 

[mistylake]

If we responded to every report we'd probably never stop talking with the amount of speculation running through the club at the moment.

Ha Ha.
We don't already.

 

[Thetrader15]

Yep like with a duck paddling against the flow I think there's a lot going on under the surface when Jake speaks...

Agree, he is very criptive and Bicks / Rowie aren't smart enough to ask the right Qs.

Rowe:"Did you eat the chocholate cake?"
Lever:" I couldn't possibly eat an entire cake Rowie"
Rowe:"Excellent, Jake didn't touch the cake. Done"

 

[Captain Morgan]

Id rather make decisions for love than money and **** what people want to label me

What happens if you love money ?

 

[arrowman]

In the old AFL he is talking making sense but not in the new AFL CBA world

Teams now have luxury of wrapping up 1-2 players at big overs due to a big increase in salary cap. You will find more and more young players be paid big numbers for their potential than rewarded for actual output moving forward. Its just the nature of the beast now.

It may the reality (although I wonder how much credibility these "godfather" rumours really have), but it's still not "sense". I agree that there are clubs out there willing to mortgage their future and compromise their list management by paying massive overs for one or two players. But I don't think that's "sensible" or sustainable.

 

[pirate bob]

They can offer him as much money as they want but they still have to get him out of Adelaide via trade.

Geelong don't have anything of value to trade.

The only possible way they could get Lever is to offer some sort of ridiculous million dollar + deal that no-one is prepared to match and get him via the PSD.

Yep - no much chance Lever would fall to Geelong's first pick in PSD. It would be nice to have Brisbane finish bottom with money to burn as a contingency.

 

[Thetrader15]

Any club willing to pay $700K+ for a 3rd. forward or a 3rd. defender isn't winning a premiership any time soon.

"News flash: McGovern signs with Crows for $700k/year"

 

[Shaz2012]

In the old AFL he is talking making sense but not in the new AFL CBA world

Teams now have luxury of wrapping up 1-2 players at big overs due to a big increase in salary cap. You will find more and more young players be paid big numbers for their potential than rewarded for actual output moving forward. Its just the nature of the beast now.

No mate. Even in the new AFL CBA world they are not worth that much. Not even close. Lever for $600k is massive overs. Gov for $500k is massive overs. I reckon that is $100k to $150k overs. I think we may be willing to offer that much overs just to put out the fires of other interested clubs. I am sure that will match any offer.

I reckon the instant inflation is the caused by the perfect storm of the CBA and North Melbourne's lack of list management planning.

My wild theory now is that North dumped all these senior players and freed up all this cash. Then they realized - shit we dont have anyone worth paying this much. They would have front loaded a handful of players and saved 5% of the cap. Now this year they are going to clear out the other half of their high earning veterans on their list including Goldstein etc. But now they have a massive amount of wages that they can spend which just increased by $2m a season including this season.

I think thats when it dawned on them that they need to do long contracts where they spend the bulk of their free cash up front but then still have the player tied to them when they come out the other end of a rebuild. So their offer to Josh Kelly makes perfect sense to me. They could potentially pay Josh $7m over the first 3 years and then just $3m for the last 6 years. This allows them to pay normal wages in 3 or 4 years. Its pretty smart cause they dont really have any other players that would demand high wages now if they are looking 4 years ahead.

I think something similar is the only way to justify giving Jake Lever an average of $800k or more.

The catch in this is type of approach is you take some of the best players in the league and move them to literally the worst teams. These players have to trust that the club will actually spring back all the way to the top. But it rarely ever happens. Most clubs that drop all the way to the bottom never spring all the way back to a premiership. A very very few do. So that is the decision Kelly and Lever have to make.

 

[Jack McKraken]

I was letting Odog know when he says it, because he couldn't find the spot.

I am well on record in the going camp.

No worries, not having a go. Just would prefer 5AA didn't ask bloody leading questions!

 

[Smoooothy]

My god, a footy journalist talking sense.

My faith is restored.

the scarier thing is that its tim ****ing gossage!?

 

[Heafy83]

No mate. Even in the new AFL CBA world they are not worth that much. Not even close. Lever for $600k is massive overs. Gov for $500k is massive overs. I reckon that is $100k to $150k overs. I think we may be willing to offer that much overs just to put out the fires of other interested clubs. I am sure that will match any offer.

I reckon the instant inflation is the caused by the perfect storm of the CBA and North Melbourne's lack of list management planning.

My wild theory now is that North dumped all these senior players and freed up all this cash. Then they realized - shit we dont have anyone worth paying this much. They would have front loaded a handful of players and saved 5% of the cap. Now this year they are going to clear out the other half of their high earning veterans on their list including Goldstein etc. But now they have a massive amount of wages that they can spend which just increased by $2m a season including this season.

I think thats when it dawned on them that they need to do long contracts where they spend the bulk of their free cash up front but then still have the player tied to them when they come out the other end of a rebuild. So their offer to Josh Kelly makes perfect sense to me. They could potentially pay Josh $7m over the first 3 years and then just $3m for the last 6 years. This allows them to pay normal wages in 3 or 4 years. Its pretty smart cause they dont really have any other players that would demand high wages now if they are looking 4 years ahead.

I think something similar is the only way to justify giving Jake Lever an average of $800k or more.

The catch in this is type of approach is you take some of the best players in the league and move them to literally the worst teams. These players have to trust that the club will actually spring back all the way to the top. But it rarely ever happens. Most clubs that drop all the way to the bottom never spring all the way back to a premiership. A very very few do. So that is the decision Kelly and Lever have to make.

I never said they were worth it. I said BIG OVERS...... as in they can can take the punt and pay overs on 1-2 players to attract them to their club where otherwise they couldn't and maybe just one day they will be worth that price.

 

[Elite Crow]

lol, you've ******* written a book here fella. And it's because you know it's truuuuuee and you don't like it.

So yours was a short post?

And FIGJAM much? On what basis is your opinion true?

 

[mistylake]

I usually pretend I don't understand English when a bloke asked me for 50 cents outside the railway station last week.

Well I just tell them Indian campaigners to **** off when they call me to get me listed on Google. Works for me.