Bluemour Discussion Thread VI (cont. in Part VII)

[Tommy Alvin]

Why would a senior Carlton person give you a very detailed trade plan?

It's just all too convenient.

Btw everyone:
Mitch Grigg just won the Margarey Medal. Ah Chee runner up.

TA

 

[Betty_Blue76]

Poor detective work.

curnow4brownlow could barely string two words together, and made up unrealistic crap.

You may think that BettyBlue76 is doing the same, but the tone of the posts and the logic behind the proposed deals compared to those from an obvious troll are/were chalk and cheese

I reckon SOS could post on here and upload pics to verify his identity and some would still call troll.

But then 9/11 and the moon landing were fake so...

 

[Lawrence Angwin]

Yep, he is on SOS's get list too.
Might not be able to play over the Easter weekend though

He should be right by the Easter Monday game.



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[dumb]

Posted in Blue Rumour thread and realise credibility is zero as a newb but I am very confident in the source:

Proposal is:

1. Carlton trade Bryce Gibbs to Crows for the pick they get for Lever (must be below 12). Most likely Dees pick 10.

i enjoy reading trade rumours, including the ridiculous ones (this is not a comment on the veracity of what you're saying), but find the endless postulating a bit weird. it means nought come trade time, i stay out of things, and i don't know how to value players.
anyway, i can imagine this one getting stuck on the first hurdle until the last day because adelaide will almost certainly want to hold onto the fabled pick #10 and insist on giving us their later first round pick.

 

[Betty_Blue76]

Geez you've got rumours on half the teams in the comp...you must be seriously connected or putting in a pretty big effort to make made up things sound real.

You don't normally see posters know so much about multiple teams...usually it's condensed to only a few tops or even just one like barrass with Carlton related rumours.

Involved in asset management and property development. Deal with a lot of high net worths and the group I work for targets athletes. Do a lot with tennis and league as well

 

[Bluey24]

Posted in Blue Rumour thread and realise credibility is zero as a newb but I am very confident in the source:

Proposal is:

1. Carlton trade Bryce Gibbs to Crows for the pick they get for Lever (must be below 12). Most likely Dees pick 10.

Why? - best we will get and the view is Bryce asking to leave again and coming back isn't good for the group. Also part of a wider deal. Problem is if Pies get Lever for pick 6 Crows won't want to give this up without something back. However, we believe Lever wants the Dees.

2. Carlton acquire Rockliff for 2 years at $2m with an option for a third year at $400k. Because the option is conditional the AFL bases compensation on a guaranteed two years - so $1m per year figure. This triggers band 1 compensation for the Lions so they get pick 2. Other suitors are offering Rockliff max $700k, which is not enough to trigger band 1.

3. Carlton trades pick 3, pick 10 (or thereabouts - Crows been told must be pick below 12) from Bryce Gibbs and our third round pick for pick 1, pick 18 and Schache. Lions may also be interested in a player such as Byrne to sweeten the deal.

Why do this trade - helps with Kelly (will explain below), plus gets Rockliff in for support and gets Schache at a discount. Schache is viewed as suffering from being away from family and the belief is he can become a 40+ goal a year FF in Victoria. Lions don't want Rayner but the Suns rate him so won't slip to us at 3. GWS want him and want pick 1 to make sure they get him. Lions value Dow more highly so going from pick 1 to 2 is fine by them. Effectively swapping Schache and 18 for pick 10 and 38. Lions rate the top 10 highly so believe they can add another good mid at 10 (plus have Ports pick - view is 3 good mids to add to the mix).

We will not get Lynch from Gold Coast next year. He will most likely sign with them depending on the new coach and how things look in June next year. Pies have tabled a $1.5m 5 year deal and his family are massive Pie fans but looks more likely to stay at GC. Will not play for Carlton forget it. So we see Schache as a hedge against McKay not coming on. The bank is at least one of those two will become a gun.

4. Carlton trade pick 1 and pick 18 for Kelly, Kennedy and a salary dump.

Why? GWS wants Rayner and will only let Kelly go if they are guaranteed Rayner. They value pick 1 very highly. Kelly wants us the only spanner is a large offer from Essendon, but very likely to knock this back. Our whole strategy hinges on Kelly going to us. We believe this is 75% likely. The salary dump is a huge issue for GWS and they need the cap relief.

NET RESULT -

Out: pick 3, Gibbs, pick 38

In: Kelly, Rockliff, Kennedy, Schache

The age composition of our mids is lowered with Kelly/Kennedy and Rockliff a similar age to Gibbs. Schache is valuable insurance for a KPF.

We don't have a pick this year until the fourth round but will take 3 picks at the end of the draft and get some delisted free agents. With the investment in the last two drafts and the desire to trade heavily into the 2018 draft with 2019 picks, we don't see this as a huge issue. There is also scope for the Suns to offer up 2nd/3rd round picks for players.

This is the desired blueprint for the Blues and what SOS believes is realistic. There are other options (Stringer for 2018 2nd but dogs likely to say no even if we take a salary dump) and embracing trading Gibbs plus some others for top 40 picks.

what BF dreams are made of

 

[DirkDiggler]

How about you read it closer.

Lions give up 1 but get 2 so is effectively 18 plus Schache for 3, 10/12 and 38

Or if Rockcliff got them band two really 18, 19 and Schache for 3, 10 and 38

They do that everyday of the week

I thought I read somewhere Silvagni did not rate Schache in the draft. His efforts for Brisbane wouldn't have changed his views. Also I don't think this trade scenario addresses our lack of foot speed with the exception of Kelly.

 

[thylacine60]

it's a bit like the anonymous thrill the spotty-faced graffiti dauber gets when cars pass under his non-sensical bridge tags the next morning.....

 

[dazdoggy]

Poor detective work.

curnow4brownlow could barely string two words together, and made up unrealistic crap.

You may think that BettyBlue76 is doing the same, but the tone of the posts and the logic behind the proposed deals compared to those from an obvious troll are/were chalk and cheese

New account, same day posting rumours.
In saying that I do agree with the Ablett not being at Gold Coast but my Labrador was watching afl 360 a month ago and even he knew that.

 

[DEliades]

One would've thought that docherty would have a fair say in whether the club recruits Rockliff. From past reports, seems like a flog to the kids but who knows

 

[F_therest]

Involved in asset management and property development. Deal with a lot of high net worths and the group I work for targets athletes. Do a lot with tennis and league as well

All good, i hope you might be a new, reliable rumour provider on our board but we'll wait and see what happens. If you are then that's great...if not, well you'll just be one of many bs artists on this site.

Agree that all sound plausible, including the intricate one you posted. So much water to go under the bridge yet though but i can believe it's one of SOS' plans though (one of many scenarios he would have planned out) and maybe some preliminary talks have occurred between some of the parties involved.

 

[dazdoggy]

One would've thought that docherty would have a fair say in whether the club recruits Rockliff. From past reports, seems like a flog to the kids but who knows

He has a tattoo of a smiley face on his ass so surely his a good bloke

 

[dazdoggy]

Actually given he has that tattoo let's up the offer to 1.5 mil per season over seven years

 

[Dravid's in]

I thought I read somewhere Silvagni did not rate Schache in the draft. His efforts for Brisbane wouldn't have changed his views. Also I don't think this trade scenario addresses our lack of foot speed with the exception of Kelly.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ent-discussion.1152736/page-267#post-50279357

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yeah Bolts has made a big point about having a "process" for captain. I think it is absolutely time for Murph to pass the baton, but they will follow the process and have everybody's input for the decision.

Yes but the process wasn't entirely dependent on the playing group as it was when Murphy got the job. I'm not sure Bolts would go along with it if the players chose Daisy or Kedge for captain for example. He is still going to look for those that will play every game, set high standards on field and off field and have good communication skills.

 

[bmaurizio]

Two things I forgot to add.

Murphy will step down as captain to focus on his game and Docherty will be captain with Cripps as VC. Won't be announced until the new year but Murphy suggested it in his exit interview.

If we had pick 1 SOS would take Fogarty. Believes he will be the clear standout. Rayner is not rated in our top 5

Thanks for your amazing rumors there're quite special , if most of them come to fruition this board will be in ecstasy

 

[Blue_Fusion]

How about you read it closer.

Lions give up 1 but get 2 so is effectively 18 plus Schache for 3, 10/12 and 38

Or if Rockcliff got them band two really 18, 19 and Schache for 3, 10 and 38

They do that everyday of the week

I've read it very closely and I only need to use a bit of common sense to know it's a load of crap.

We are not going to offer a 28 year old $2M. The club has constantly pushed the ideal of getting in quality young players. Makes zero sense to chase that hard for a guy who will retire in 3-4 years.

Lions will not trade #1+#18 pretty much cancel out with #3+#10. But a contracted former #2 pick KPF in only his second year for pick #36? Yeah, sure

And how you conveniently know the plans of Adelaide, Melbourne, Carlton, Brisbane and GWS all working to give us themost beneficial outcome...

Let alone the fact that you've ignored my question about Jones. Who were the 4 clubs that chased him and why would we tell them to get lost given we have a wealth of KPD all capable of playing his role next year? The club would be stupid to not at least entertain some offers.

Oh and GWS letting Patton go for pick #8 and #30 is an absolute joke.

And why would we completely forsake the draft when the club (especially Bolts) has said we will go to the draft again?

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Why would a senior Carlton person give you a very detailed trade plan?

It's just all too convenient.

Btw everyone:
Mitch Grigg just won the Margarey Medal. Ah Chee runner up.

TA

Ah Chee you say...

 

[thylacine60]

Ah Chee you say...

gesundheit

 

[Betty_Blue76]

I've read it very closely and I only need to use a bit of common sense to know it's a load of crap.

We are not going to offer a 28 year old $2M. The club has constantly pushed the ideal of getting in quality young players. Makes zero sense to chase that hard for a guy who will retire in 3-4 years.

Lions will not trade #1+#18 pretty much cancel out with #3+#10. But a contracted former #2 pick KPF in only his second year for pick #36? Yeah, sure

And how you conveniently know the plans of Adelaide, Melbourne, Carlton, Brisbane and GWS all working to give us themost beneficial outcome...

Let alone the fact that you've ignored my question about Jones. Who were the 4 clubs that chased him and why would we tell them to get lost given we have a wealth of KPD all capable of playing his role next year? The club would be stupid to not at least entertain some offers.

Oh and GWS letting Patton go for pick #8 and #30 is an absolute joke.

And why would we completely forsake the draft when the club (especially Bolts) has said we will go to the draft again?

Perhaps practice your comprehension skills.

Re-read the post slowly. Your summary and price for Schache is simply wrong.

Don’t know who the four clubs are with Jones. But he is very well liked and his turn around is a stunning example both internally and externally. Culture makes him untouchable

 

[PoultryinMotion]

I still rate him, I think if all facets of the rumour comes to fruition, Schache is a steal

Yep. Agreed.
Griffen for the salary dump also perhaps.Pretty handy steak knives!

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Perhaps practice your comprehension skills.

Re-read the post slowly. Your summary and price for Schache is simply wrong.

Don’t know who the four clubs are with Jones. But he is very well liked and his turn around is a stunning example both internally and externally. Culture makes him untouchable

There's nothing to read over.

The trade you suggested is #1+#18+Schache for #3+#10+#36.

Like I said, #1+#18 cancels out with #3+#10. That leaves #36 for Schache and it's not going to happen no matter how many times you try to drive it you clown.

Funny you don't know the 4 clubs chasing Jones but you know about the plans of half the teams in the competition

 

[Red Bull]

Well done and thanks Betty_Blue76
What a cracker of a rumor !!
Those that enjoy breaking the boredom and indulging overdosed and those that get a hard on telling kids there's no easter bunny duly arrived right on time with fire hoses at the ready .
A great night was had by all

 

[Tommy Alvin]

Ah Chee you say...

You know what, Grigg would be an interesting one too.

Very much an inside mid. Great top up player for our midfield. Maybe rookie?

 

[Betty_Blue76]

There's nothing to read over.

The trade you suggested is #1+#18+Schache for #3+#10+#36.

Like I said, #1+#18 cancels out with #3+#10. That leaves #36 for Schache and it's not going to happen no matter how many times you try to drive it you clown.

Funny you don't know the 4 clubs chasing Jones but you know about the plans of half the teams in the competition

Interesting you ignore the upgrade in free agency pick from 18 to pick 2 (band 1 vs 2).

Significantly improves the value of Schache

Care to apologise?