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Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - PART III

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Catgirl said:
He's broken about 12 rules of journalism so not exactly a beaut of an article
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I dunno. I see a future there.
If he could translate the relentless Chris Scott shit into being one of those right wing aresoles like Alan Jones or Ray Hadley I could see a section of society lapping it up.
 
Spazz Cat said:
Wow Blighty! I wonder if anyone can just write on that site?
He's not bad at putting together an article. He should do some that have nothing to do with Geelong or C.S.
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The Roar has two kinds of articles, those from staff writers and those from random shlubs.

I'll leave you to figure out which one best describes Blighty.
 
goyoucatters said:
The really cool aspect of this thread in the light of Saturday is that there is now only one coach in football who is anything more than a complete shambles.

The way the Tiges took our boys, Team AFL and the Craas to the cleaners in the last month (with a game-plan that seemed pretty much as unsophisticated and simple as you could ever imagine at AFL level) was nothing short of remarkable.

So we're left at least with the comfort that every other club in the comp also has a totally clueless coach. Including the man who coached this year's minor premiers.

Scott is no genius. And, despite the caricatures that are continually constructed here by the ABS crew, there's actually very few posters who would ever suggest that he is a step ahead of every other coach going around.

And, despite their incredible success at the pointy end this season, I don't think you would find that many Richmond fans who think Dimma is untouchable as a coaching deity either. And, if they did say that now, I'd be very interested to hear what they were saying about him only twelve months ago.

What happened on Saturday (and throughout this finals series) was a combination of myriad factors that all had a significant influence on the final destination of this year's flag.

Did Pyke get out-coached on Saturday? Yes, indeed. Was that the sole factor in his team's miserable capitulation? Definitely not. Was it even the most significant factor in their dirty day? That's actually questionable for mine.

In the end, the inane nature of what goes on in this thread is summarised by the fact that, up until one month ago, nobody in the history of VFL/AFL had ever coached more games without winning a final than D. Hardwick. He was statistically 'the biggest loser' of all time in terms of getting his team to a place where they could compete in a GF. I don't think any coach in modern football (apart from Bucks, perhaps) has been more blessed to keep their job than he was at the end of '16.

So, just four weeks after finally winning his first final ever, he can now be hailed as the messiah who has driven this group to ultimate glory. When you consider the yawning chasm between what he was formerly infamous for and how he will now be remembered at Tigerland, you learn everything you need to know about the multiplicity of factors contributing to one team's success or failure.

And the only reasonable conclusion to reach is that Dimma didn't become a coaching superstar overnight. He undoubtedly has improved his craft along the way. But the mix of assistants, the maturing of the playing group, the off-field stability, the continuity of player availability and the finals draw have all played major roles as well.

Scott has limitations, no doubt. And, based on this year's finals series, he has plenty of mates in that regard, given how easily the other supposed contenders also got towelled up by the rampaging Tiges.

I would suggest both of the other teams they torched in the last month were humiliated in much the same way that our boys were.

Just as well those clubs have coaches with some idea, then. So that we all really know who to blame for those sobering losses.

Seems that only at Geelong do we see the coach as almost entirely responsible for each loss. Still, at least that's countered by seeing him as almost entirely unimportant in the victories as well.

After all, one of the greatest strengths of this thread has always been its unerring commitment to 'balance'.
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See what patience and a bit of faith can do for your footy club? At the end of one season 90% of the list are shit trucks, the coach is a mug who needs to get the arse and the recruiting team couldn't spot talent with a high powered telescope, 12 months later, those same people are holding an emphatically won premiership trophy. Like us in 2007, Richmond objectively analysed their footy club, made the changes they thought necessary rather than blowing up the whole joint and have been rewarded for their prudence. I can also guarantee that almost no Richmond supporters at this time last year were happy with the decisions made.
 
00VicWard001 said:
I honestly did my best to read it. My eyes started to hurt about 1/4 through.

What a f*cking waste of a time writing and reading that poorly written essay.
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Good to see you show up after making yourself look so silly. Hopefully a lesson in abusing fellow supporters who share a different (in this case accurate) viewpoint to you. It's very easy to sit back and go with the crowd which is what you did.
 
Quite happy for that Shlub to spew his cancer on the Roar..keeps him away from here.
 

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00VicWard001 said:
Since we're taking out entire years... and relying on 'facts'...

How does Hardwick go if you take out the 2017 finals series? How did Beveridge and Brad Scott add to their percentages in 2017? How about if you take out the 2012 Finals series for Longmire? Hmm all interesting hypotheticals hey?
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OK, don't take any years out of his record and he is STILL ranked 71 from 78 - happy with that?
 
cynical said:
blighty was one of the best posters here
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I had time for guys like Bobby and Biggy, even with their flaws. Happy to hear negative talk around the club, players, coaches, etc. when within reason.

But BC was a flagrant troll and no board should have allowed him to hang around. Honestly I can't believe he lasted as long as he did.
 
The Emu said:
Good to see you show up after making yourself look so silly. Hopefully a lesson in abusing fellow supporters who share a different (in this case accurate) viewpoint to you. It's very easy to sit back and go with the crowd which is what you did.
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My response really touched you in a sensitive place didn't it?

'Good to see you show up'? What are you on about?
 
mcwilrob said:
OK, don't take any years out of his record and he is STILL ranked 71 from 78 - happy with that?
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I'm not talking about his season record, which clearly comparable and superior to other coaches.

The statics of finals coaching is flawed to an extent. Coaches who don't make the finals don't have the chance to have their record blemished.

As an similar example, players who kick the ball out of bounds on the full when going for goals, don't have that added to their scoring accuracy either. You could take 10 shots at goal, put 9 out of bounds and one through the middle and suddenly your kicking accuracy is 100%.
 

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00VicWard001 said:
I'm not talking about his season record, which clearly comparable and superior to other coaches.

The statics of finals coaching is flawed to an extent. Coaches who don't make the finals don't have the chance to have their record blemished.

As an similar example, players who kick the ball out of bounds on the full when going for goals, don't have that added to their scoring accuracy either. You could take 10 shots at goal, put 9 out of bounds and one through the middle and suddenly your kicking accuracy is 100%.
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Lol you have an excuse for anything... Pretty sad you still can't admit he is terrible in finals.. you keep repeating how great his season record is which is pointless if he has nearly the worst finals record in history lol... 71/78 after riding bombers coat tails
 
The Emu said:
Lol you have an excuse for anything... Pretty sad you still can't admit he is terrible in finals.. you keep repeating how great his season record is which is pointless if he has nearly the worst finals record in history lol... 71/78 after riding bombers coat tails
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Er, no excuse for the teams performance in finals. Did I say anything contrary in my response?

Why are you trying to pick a fight with me? Was it because I said that your ramblings were poorly written?

Try and contribute to the topic please.
 
His argument in that article overlooks the fact that 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 were flags won with experienced lists and topping up. And if Geelong were to pull out a flag next year, then it means the last 2 flags are total outliers to how to win Premierships in the current age.
 
The Emu said:
Lol you have an excuse for anything... Pretty sad you still can't admit he is terrible in finals.. you keep repeating how great his season record is which is pointless if he has nearly the worst finals record in history lol... 71/78 after riding bombers coat tails
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Yeah but you know what? It only takes a couple of seasons of winning finals for that to change very quickly.

Bomber Thompson's finals record prior to 2007? 2-4, a win percentage of 33. That's from 3 finals series out of 7 seasons as coach. By the time he finished up with us 4 seasons later? 11-7, at 61%, two premierships from three GF's and 7 finals series from 11 years as coach.

Chris Scott's finals record after 7 seasons? 6-8 at 43%, a premiership, and 6 finals series including 3 other prelim finals appearances apart from 2011.

Just to bring Hardwick up again, he had a finals winning percentage of zero prior to this years finals (he's been coach for as long as Scott too). Four weeks later? A 50% record, and a premiership coach.

And this riding Bomber's coattails thing is just revisionist garbage. If Bomber had stayed as coach, there is no way we win that flag, and I would also suggest you go back to the end of 2010 and see exactly how many supporters thought we'd had our day and were in for a slide.
 
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