Recruiting Trade & Free Agency V

[Lore]

Basically.

Dogs get: 11, 30, Essendon 2018 2nd
Essendon get: Stringer, Dogs 2018 1st

It looks unfair like that, but when you consider that two 2018 2nd rounders can be used by the Dogs to combine for a 1st round prospect under the F/S rule, it looks pretty even.

Dogs lose their 2018 2nd - because that will be combined with our 2018 2nd to turn into a 2018 1st to secure likely top 15 prospect West - but they get an extra 2nd round pick to use this year. Since everyone has a boner for next year's draft and this year's draft is supposed to be weak, they may baulk at replacing a pick next year for one this year. But it's still pretty close to a fair deal.


Yeah, a straight swap of our pick 11 would be easiest. But this still gives them their sought-after first round pick, will still allow them to secure West (assuming he doesn't get bid on very early, but that's probably unlikely), and will still allow them to make a 2nd round draft selection (albeit in a weaker draft from probably a spot slightly further down the order). Makes it easy for us to get Saad + Smith as we now have another 1st rounder to swap for one of them. Win/win.

The thing is that they are probably more interested in what they can make us pay, right now, than in what they end up receiving at the end of next year. It has to look good on paper when they publish it on their club website.

 

[Zach Package]

Under the plan Essendon would give the Bulldogs their first- and third-round selections (picks 11 and 46) and in return the Dogs give them Jake Stringer and their second round pick, currently selection 26.

The Bombers would then have picks 26 and 28, which they would seek to use as part of trades for Devon Smith and Adam Saad.

The Dogs are considering the deal but are reluctant to part with more than Stringer for the Bombers' pick 11.

We've got too may assets for these trades not to get done, it's just a matter of working out what fits where and how

 

[Old Campaigner]

New deal...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...lose-in-on-jake-stringer-20171011-gyz312.html

Essendon have proposed a new arrangement in which they give up their first three picks in the draft and net all three of their trade targets.

Under the plan Essendon would give the Bulldogs their first- and third-round selections (picks 11 and 46) and in return the Dogs give them Jake Stringer and their second round pick, currently selection 26.

The Bombers would then have picks 26 and 28, which they would seek to use as part of trades for Devon Smith and Adam Saad.

The Dogs are considering the deal but are reluctant to part with more than Stringer for the Bombers' pick 11.

lmao just take it and run you ****ing hacks

 

[FlyingV]

We've got too may assets for these trades not to get done, it's just a matter of working out what fits where and how

I agree, we can always dip into next years second rounder to sweeten a deal if necessary.

 

[Jobe Watson]

The thing is that they are probably more interested in what they can make us pay, right now, than in what they end up receiving at the end of next year. It has to look good on paper when they publish it on their club website.

The trade does look crap for the Dogs on paper, and it would leave a lot of people scratching their heads. But when you run through all the elements it actually does make sense. Of course it's all dependent on how convinced the Dogs are that West will hold his current draft value (10-20) over the next 12 months.

This trade was rumored on SEN and I have no idea whether it has actually even been discussed at the negotiating table (probably not, this is SEN after all). The actual, final trade will probably be much simpler than this... but it's pretty much the perfect way for us to get the S's while paying close to what their clubs are valuing them at, while also keeping our coveted 2018 1st.

 

[Godzke]

Contrary to what's read on BF, I reckon there's actually a bit of good faith and productive discussion between the Dodoro and JMac.

Initial offers declined. That's fine. Respect each other's positions but I reckon JMac sees Dodoro trying to be creative to get something satisfactory not just for two clubs but four (potentially more). And that takes time unfortunately.

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[YEMOC NAYR]

Contrary to what's read on BF, I reckon there's actually a bit of good faith and productive discussion between the Dodoro and JMac.

Initial offers declined. That's fine. Respect each other's positions but I reckon JMac sees Dodoro trying to be creative to get something satisfactory not just for two clubs but four (potentially more). And that takes time unfortunately.

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Agreed on this.

We've got 3 trades to work in. It's not a matter of just working out a deal with the dogs, suns or gws indivually. As it stands, the first deal we do will likely affect the other 2 so we need to work with 3 clubs to make it all happen. As you said, this takes time.

 

[vast]

New deal...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...lose-in-on-jake-stringer-20171011-gyz312.html

Essendon have proposed a new arrangement in which they give up their first three picks in the draft and net all three of their trade targets.

Under the plan Essendon would give the Bulldogs their first- and third-round selections (picks 11 and 46) and in return the Dogs give them Jake Stringer and their second round pick, currently selection 26.

The Bombers would then have picks 26 and 28, which they would seek to use as part of trades for Devon Smith and Adam Saad.

The Dogs are considering the deal but are reluctant to part with more than Stringer for the Bombers' pick 11.

A deal has also been raised with Richmond to trade two picks in the 20s to the Tigers for the second of their first-round draft selections at pick 17.


Under that deal GWS would trade Smith and their pick 23 to Essendon for pick 11. Essendon would then trade picks 23 and 28 to Richmond for 17 and the Dons would aim to pass pick 17 on to the Dogs for Stringer.

The logic of that deal is that Richmond may not need to use the first of their two first-round draft picks on Patrick Naish and so could then have sufficient points from the picks in the 20s to match any bid for the talented father-son player.

There is a risk in that for Richmond, however, if a bid comes in earlier than expected for Naish.

That creative arrangement may happen but is seen as far less likely than the first option.

The first option seems about closest to what I expected in the end. If one thing is clear is that we arent lowballing and that Connors and Stringer can get that we are trying in earnest to give a fair deal but also not shooting our selves in the foot with the other trades.

I think in the end we will have use next years 2nd to satisfy either gc or gws.

 

[WEEVZ]

New deal...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...lose-in-on-jake-stringer-20171011-gyz312.html

Essendon have proposed a new arrangement in which they give up their first three picks in the draft and net all three of their trade targets.

Under the plan Essendon would give the Bulldogs their first- and third-round selections (picks 11 and 46) and in return the Dogs give them Jake Stringer and their second round pick, currently selection 26.

The Bombers would then have picks 26 and 28, which they would seek to use as part of trades for Devon Smith and Adam Saad.

The Dogs are considering the deal but are reluctant to part with more than Stringer for the Bombers' pick 11.

A deal has also been raised with Richmond to trade two picks in the 20s to the Tigers for the second of their first-round draft selections at pick 17.


Under that deal GWS would trade Smith and their pick 23 to Essendon for pick 11. Essendon would then trade picks 23 and 28 to Richmond for 17 and the Dons would aim to pass pick 17 on to the Dogs for Stringer.

The logic of that deal is that Richmond may not need to use the first of their two first-round draft picks on Patrick Naish and so could then have sufficient points from the picks in the 20s to match any bid for the talented father-son player.

There is a risk in that for Richmond, however, if a bid comes in earlier than expected for Naish.

That creative arrangement may happen but is seen as far less likely than the first option.

Could definitely work. There's a bit of a points gap between Pick 17 and Picks 23 & 28 (on points those two picks are equivalent to Pick 9), so the Tigers would likely have to throw in say Miles.

Would look like:
ESS out/GWS in: Pick 11
GWS out/ESS in: Smith + Pick 23

ESS out/RIC in: Picks 23 & 28
RIC out/ESS in: Pick 17 + Miles

ESS out/WBD in: Pick 17
WBD out/ESS in: Stringer

ESS out/GCS in: 2018 2nd
GCS out/ESS in: Saad

IN: Stringer, Smith, Saad & Miles.
OUT: Picks 11, 28 & 2018 2nd.

It's a more complicated way of doing it though than just the 11 + 28 + 46 for Saad + 19 + 22 idea though.

 

[TDay]

I can't agree more with guys like King Harold and Doggiesftw that pick 11 for jake is a joke. Every day of the week he's worth 2 first rounders on talent. There is almost no chance that whoever we take at 11 will be as good as jake.

I've said it before, but what are the odds of whoevers taken at pick 1 being better than jake? 50/50?? He's a beast. A weapon. A freak.

And the club know that better than anyone. So ask yourself why the guys that know him that well want to off-load him for massive unders. How bad must it be. Well it's that bad, and worse.

And ask yourself if you think beveridge is a great coach. A great judge of character. A great people person. A magician at understanding team culture and chemistry. A supportive, player first guy. I'm answering yes to all.

And he wants the guy gone. Badly. And will take massive unders to get it done.

And ask yourself similar questions about dalrymple. And he wants him gone. And McCartney.

It's shit. It sucks. Rage all you like. I get it. But jake is the definition of damaged goods. The very people that drafted him, invested in him, saw the player he could become, coached him to all Australian and premiership player levels, want him out. Say no more.

From the dogs board. I'm totally cold on Stringer. We should offer a single second rounder at most and go in with the expectation that he won't play much footy next year and is 50/50 to be a bust. Individual talent means nothing if it brings down the team, or can't get on the park.

Low expectations and VFL time might give him the space to sort his life out.

 

[Howard Moon]

Oh well, atleast we know they are working in there...

Not just sitting about having tea and strumpets

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

From the dogs board. I'm totally cold on Stringer. We should offer a single second rounder at most and go in with the expectation that he won't play much footy next year and is 50/50 to be a bust. Individual talent means nothing if it brings down the team, or can't get on the park.

Low expectations and VFL time might give him the space to sort his life out.

Insane how you can read shit like that, then listen to the dogs demands

 

[BrunoV]

Basically.

Dogs get: 11, 30, Essendon 2018 2nd
Essendon get: Stringer, Dogs 2018 1st

It looks unfair like that, but when you consider that two 2018 2nd rounders can be used by the Dogs to combine for a 1st round prospect under the F/S rule, it looks pretty even.

Dogs lose their 2018 2nd - because that will be combined with our 2018 2nd to turn into a 2018 1st to secure likely top 15 prospect West - but they get an extra 2nd round pick to use this year. Since everyone has a boner for next year's draft and this year's draft is supposed to be weak, they may baulk at replacing a pick next year for one this year. However, they could send our pick 30 to Freo for Crozier while keeping their own 2nd rounder, leaving them with 9 + 11 + 27 in this year's draft.


Yeah, a straight swap would be easiest. But I doubt Dodo would want to risk next year's 1st for Stringer.

But this still gives them their sought-after pick 11, will still allow them to secure West (assuming he doesn't get bid on very early in next year's draft or, conversely, does his knee and turns into a 2nd round prospect) who would have likely cost them their 2018 1st anyway, and will still allow them to make a 2nd round draft selection while bringing in Crozier this year. For us, it makes it easy to get Saad + Smith as we now have another 1st rounder to swap for one of them. Win/win.

Doesn't it only work if they can land West with one of the 2018 seconds? Otherwise West is costing them two picks when he would otherwise cost one. It doesn't make any sense to me when they could just take west with their 2018-1 and then recruit another good player with their 2018-2.

 

[Zach Package]

And ask yourself if you think beveridge is a great coach. A great judge of character. A great people person. A magician at understanding team culture and chemistry. A supportive, player first guy. I'm answering yes to all.

 

[DERO]

The order of the 3 S's is extremely important.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Doesn't it only work if they can land West with one of the 2018 seconds? Otherwise West is costing them two picks when he would otherwise cost one. It doesn't make any sense to me when they could just take west with their 2018-1 and then recruit another good player with their 2018-2.

It costs them a pick next year, but they make it up this year by getting our 30. It's basically pick-swapping the 2nd rounder from next year to this year.

So from the Dogs' perspective it's basically: proposed trade (2017: 9, 11, 27, 30 | 2018: F/S using WB 2nd + Ess 2nd) vs. Stringer for 11 straight up (2017: 9, 11, 27 | 2018: WB 1st (to be used on F/S), WB 2nd)

 

[Howard Moon]

Remember when people were bullish on keeping pick 11 and getting sss

Funny times, feels like only 2 days ago

 

[AcuteWhistle]

New deal...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...lose-in-on-jake-stringer-20171011-gyz312.html

Essendon have proposed a new arrangement in which they give up their first three picks in the draft and net all three of their trade targets.

Under the plan Essendon would give the Bulldogs their first- and third-round selections (picks 11 and 46) and in return the Dogs give them Jake Stringer and their second round pick, currently selection 26.

The Bombers would then have picks 26 and 28, which they would seek to use as part of trades for Devon Smith and Adam Saad.

The Dogs are considering the deal but are reluctant to part with more than Stringer for the Bombers' pick 11.

A deal has also been raised with Richmond to trade two picks in the 20s to the Tigers for the second of their first-round draft selections at pick 17.


Under that deal GWS would trade Smith and their pick 23 to Essendon for pick 11. Essendon would then trade picks 23 and 28 to Richmond for 17 and the Dons would aim to pass pick 17 on to the Dogs for Stringer.

The logic of that deal is that Richmond may not need to use the first of their two first-round draft picks on Patrick Naish and so could then have sufficient points from the picks in the 20s to match any bid for the talented father-son player.

There is a risk in that for Richmond, however, if a bid comes in earlier than expected for Naish.

That creative arrangement may happen but is seen as far less likely than the first option.

That first option sounds so fair my head has stopped hurting.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

The order of the 3 S's is extremely important.

1. Stringer
2. Smith
3. Saad

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

The order of the 3 S's is extremely important.

Agreed. Personally I'd take S, then S and then see what we've got left to get S.

 

[Old Campaigner]

That first option sounds so fair my head has stopped hurting.

The biggest problem is probably the tough line they've been talking means they'll lose face with their fans if they take a step back

 

[WEEVZ]

The biggest problem is probably the tough line they've been talking means they'll lose face with their fans if they take a step back

Nah makes them look more reasonable. Everyone aside from the Dogs and their fans seems to acknowledge that Pick 11 for Stringer straight up, is not a fair trade given the circumstances.

 

[efcboy]

His younger brother is a dud btw don't worry about getting him have watched him play and can confirm not the greatest fletcher son

Max has been winning B&Fs. Good player

 

[rusman]

1. Stringer
2. Smith
3. Saad

Saad off hbf could be deadly with McKenna. Could be the best line breaker combo I’d swap 2 & 3

 

[hotkorma]

Dodo better not be going to bed to sleep tonight without signing players up