Rumour GFC 2017 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists - PT2

[JohnZ]

It's funny that the Crows had a stance on Lever which they think is fine but Carlton's stance on Gibbs is not?

Good ol' Adelaide!

Adelaide Board: We're so happy that we were able to bend over another club and win this trade

Which Feeds into Tex Walker:
Tex: I love it when we bring in guys to the club, to make us able to contend for a flag
Interviewer: So you have no problems with guys like Lever going elsewhere?
Tex: No. No. That cannot be happening. I admire loyalty above all else, players cannot leave the Crows.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Different players, to hard to compare. In my opinion Watts is garbage and we should not trade him in.

????

In the last 2 seasons Watts has averaged 16 games a season, with 16 possessions, 5.5 marks and 31 goals a season...

And you reckon he's comparable to Jake Spencer?

 

[BigCat1]

Agree if Richmond don't think naish will be bid on before pick 15 the pick swap is good for them.

Which is why Ess just did the trade of the century. The essentially got Smith for almost nothing.

It is actually sickening that they get away with it. People can say what they like but they always get what they want in the end and ppl do want to go there.

The "saga" was the primary reason ppl weren't going not the great myth of mangers and clubs thinking they are hard to deal with.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Adelaide Board: We're so happy that we were able to bend over another club and win this trade

Which Feeds into Tex Walker:
Tex: I love it when we bring in guys to the club, to make us able to contend for a flag
Interviewer: So you have no problems with guys like Lever going elsewhere?
Tex: No. No. That cannot be happening. I admire loyalty above all else, players cannot leave the Crows.

"Calls Mots after getting off the phone with Charlie Cameron"

 

[rocker_oz33]

It's funny that the Crows had a stance on Lever which they think is fine but Carlton's stance on Gibbs is not?

Good ol' Adelaide!

Carlton .

Anywoo you will have over 2000 posts in no time.

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

I've watched Spencer play more than Clarke and I'd have either as depth.

I feel as if we trade Stanley and get Clarke for nothing, then we are winners.

Stanley is better than both these guys but is on something like 400k!

I'd rather Clarke on the minimum (over Stanley) to be honest (who wouldn't?)

100%, A few seem to lose sight that it isn't just the player we're getting, but also their contract.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What?? They pulled off the trade of the year. They essentially got Dev Smith for Pick the equates to the high 40's. I really don't know how they get away with it

Now they will offload 24 (which will be 25) and 29 directly to the WB for Stringer or trade it to somebody like Rich or hopefully us to get a pick in the teens for Stringer.

Stringer is going to Ess. It will work out to be brilliant trading. Wait and see.

Gws got 11 for smith 24 and a minor pick downgrade which is a high enough pick to get them brander etc if they want so its a win-win there for both clubs imo.

 

[Jeff76]

????

In the last 2 seasons Watts has averaged 16 games a season, with 16 possessions, 5.5 marks and 31 goals a season...

And you reckon he's comparable to Jake Spencer?

Yes he has those averages, at Melbourne.
I don't rate Spencer either.

 

[zb14]

Every premiership team ever has been put together like this old mate.

That may be true on a superficial level. For instance, the 7-11 team had say Ottens, Harley, Mooney (trade), Egan (Banker), FA wasn't applicable, and I don't recall a Black hail mary trade equivalent in those sides either. But a deeper analysis suggests otherwise. The notable difference is the backbone of those premiership teams was built on the draft. Even the trades, particularly in Mooney and Harley case, were effectively like draftees given their ages. Ottens was the closest thing to a "trade", and he was what, 24 maybe, when he came.

07 premiership team. 19 of the 22 came from draft (86%). Reflective of a CLEAR list management approach, and thats discounting 3 very clear, targeted youthful "trades".

17 Prelim team. 14 of 22 came from draft (63%). However, this figure includes draftees drafted before even first '07 Flag in Mackie, Lonergan, Selwood, Hawkins, Taylor so skews the draft figure. 2 mid-aged State Leaguers in Menegola, Stewart. 1 FA in Selwood. 5 trades in Danger, Hendo, Stanley, Tuohy, Smith (23%). The really "relevant' draftees in this team are Motlop, Menzel, Duncan, Kola, Bews, Blicavs, Lang, Parfitt, Cocky (40%). So really, a very different mix and approach to what delivered success last time for us.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

But we may technically trade him which will mean no compo. Be careful what you wish for. It may work out Motlop for Ablett + salary + maybe a sweetener. The Suns have little interest in more picks.

Compared to the unexpected gift of Motlop for pick 19.

We wont trade him if he goes to GC we will take compo and do a side deal re Ablett as its a better outcome for both clubs than a trade.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

That may be true on a superficial level. For instance, the 7-11 team had say Ottens, Harley, Mooney (trade), Egan (Banker), FA wasn't applicable, and I don't recall a Black hail mary trade equivalent in those sides either. But a deeper analysis suggests otherwise. The notable difference is the backbone of those premiership teams was built on the draft. Even the trades, particularly in Mooney and Harley case, were effectively like draftees given their ages. Ottens was the closest thing to a "trade", and he was what, 24 maybe, when he came.

07 premiership team. 19 of the 22 came from draft (86%). Reflective of a CLEAR list management approach, and thats discounting 3 very clear, targeted youthful "trades".

17 Prelim team. 14 of 22 came from draft (63%). However, this figure includes draftees drafted before even first '07 Flag in Mackie, Lonergan, Selwood, Hawkins, Taylor so skews the draft figure. 2 mid-aged State Leaguers in Menegola, Stewart. 1 FA in Selwood. 5 trades in Danger, Hendo, Stanley, Tuohy, Smith (23%). The really "relevant' draftees in this team are Motlop, Menzel, Duncan, Kola, Bews, Blicavs, Lang, Parfitt, Cocky (40%). So really, a very different mix and approach to what delivered success last time for us.

Our last premiership team was built before free agency and the ability to trade future picks so you are comparing apples and oranges there.

 

[catempire]

That may be true on a superficial level. For instance, the 7-11 team had say Ottens, Harley, Mooney (trade), Egan (Banker), FA wasn't applicable, and I don't recall a Black hail mary trade equivalent in those sides either. But a deeper analysis suggests otherwise. The notable difference is the backbone of those premiership teams was built on the draft. Even the trades, particularly in Mooney and Harley case, were effectively like draftees given their ages. Ottens was the closest thing to a "trade", and he was what, 24 maybe, when he came.

07 premiership team. 19 of the 22 came from draft (86%). Reflective of a CLEAR list management approach, and thats discounting 3 very clear, targeted youthful "trades".

17 Prelim team. 14 of 22 came from draft (63%). However, this figure includes draftees drafted before even first '07 Flag in Mackie, Lonergan, Selwood, Hawkins, Taylor so skews the draft figure. 2 mid-aged State Leaguers in Menegola, Stewart. 1 FA in Selwood. 5 trades in Danger, Hendo, Stanley, Tuohy, Smith (23%). The really "relevant' draftees in this team are Motlop, Menzel, Duncan, Kola, Bews, Blicavs, Lang, Parfitt, Cocky (40%). So really, a very different mix and approach to what delivered success last time for us.

The 2007 team was built with players from last century under a system that had no free agency and where trades where less common. It’s just not comparable.

What is going on now is one big expiriment. There’s no right or wrong way. We will need to look back in a decade and reflect.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Carlton .

Anywoo you will have over 2000 posts in no time.

I'm not sure how many posts I even have!

I've answered every question asked of me and contributed where I felt I could!

After this trade period I might disappear for another 4 years!

Am I eligible for best first year poster?

I've only been posting here for a month!

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Which is why Ess just did the trade of the century. The essentially got Smith for almost nothing.

It is actually sickening that they get away with it. People can say what they like but they always get what they want in the end and ppl do want to go there.

The "saga" was the primary reason ppl weren't going not the great myth of mangers and clubs thinking they are hard to deal with.

Players rarely want to go there this year is an exception.

Many deals including danger are more 'trades of the century' than Smith. It's a good trade but don't get carried away with how you rate it.

 

[Vdubs]

That may be true on a superficial level. For instance, the 7-11 team had say Ottens, Harley, Mooney (trade), Egan (Banker), FA wasn't applicable, and I don't recall a Black hail mary trade equivalent in those sides either. But a deeper analysis suggests otherwise. The notable difference is the backbone of those premiership teams was built on the draft. Even the trades, particularly in Mooney and Harley case, were effectively like draftees given their ages. Ottens was the closest thing to a "trade", and he was what, 24 maybe, when he came.

07 premiership team. 19 of the 22 came from draft (86%). Reflective of a CLEAR list management approach, and thats discounting 3 very clear, targeted youthful "trades".

17 Prelim team. 14 of 22 came from draft (63%). However, this figure includes draftees drafted before even first '07 Flag in Mackie, Lonergan, Selwood, Hawkins, Taylor so skews the draft figure. 2 mid-aged State Leaguers in Menegola, Stewart. 1 FA in Selwood. 5 trades in Danger, Hendo, Stanley, Tuohy, Smith (23%). The really "relevant' draftees in this team are Motlop, Menzel, Duncan, Kola, Bews, Blicavs, Lang, Parfitt, Cocky (40%). So really, a very different mix and approach to what delivered success last time for us.

Taking into account of course that the lists that delivered us success have gradually been decimated by attrition in the process, and are irreplaceable, and we don't have access to superdrafts.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Yes he has those averages, at Melbourne.
I don't rate Spencer either.

He averages that at senior level in the AFL.

Devon Smith will never even sniff those averages.

 

[BigCat1]

We wont trade him if he goes to GC we will take compo and do a side deal re Ablett as its a better outcome for both clubs than a trade.

We'll see. It's all irrelevant as those in the know have pretty good info suggest Port is bumping their offer halfway and that he's going there.

 

[Jeff76]

He averages that at senior level in the AFL.

Devon Smith will never even sniff those averages.

That's good because we're not getting him either.

 

[zb14]

How is it walking away? What are we not doing that you think we should be doing?

I'll wait until the card can be read post trade period. But if we go to the draft with any decent picks its completely counter to what we have built this list seemingly for. And counter to the recruitment of a near 34 year old. Our time is now, and our trade period needs to reflect that. We need to use our "currency" on ready-made players who can improve our best 22.

 

[Pack Specialist]

100%, A few seem to lose sight that it isn't just the player we're getting, but also their contract.

You are correct!

Stanley is better than 98 percent of posters on here think but his 400k is horrible beyond belief.

 

[BigCat1]

Gws got 11 for smith 24 and a minor pick downgrade which is a high enough pick to get them brander etc if they want so its a win-win there for both clubs imo.

Disagree. They will finish fairly close next year. So they traded a very low second and next years 2nd and Smith to get 11.

in 2017 nobody cares about high 3rd rd picks.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

We'll see. It's all irrelevant as those in the know have pretty good info suggest Port is bumping their offer halfway and that he's going there.

Played golf with a few Cats players yesterday - hits em OK apparently

 

[cynical]

The 2007 team was built with players from last century under a system that had no free agency and where trades where less common. It’s just not comparable.

What is going on now is one big expiriment. There’s no right or wrong way. We will need to look back in a decade and reflect.

there is clearly a right way and a wrong way

you build up a core of young talented players and fill the major roles, then fill a few holes with free agency

it's not rocket science

unfortunately for the geelong football club it is

 

[Pack Specialist]

That's good because we're not getting him either.

I wouldn't have minded Smith for 22 but only because he's in the right age bracket.

He does not however fit the Premiership profile.

Watts fits the Premiership profile IMO.

People put him on the spud and then refuse to engage in philosophical discussion about the reasons why.

I could talk for ten hours about how Watts is good and will help this team.

I'm struggling to get a paragraph out of people who think he isn't and won't.

 

[Sttew]

I'll wait until the card can be read post trade period. But if we go to the draft with any decent picks its completely counter to what we have built this list seemingly for. And counter to the recruitment of a near 34 year old. Our time is now, and our trade period needs to reflect that. We need to use our "currency" on ready-made players who can improve our best 22.

Agree 100% with this