MCG to host GF through to 2057

[Big Crow]

Yeah the mountain of evidence is based on a home game being at a ground / stadium that is filled with 90% home team supporters and nobody else plays there.

Home advantage existed in old VFL days, nobody had to 'travel' to play at VicPark...but heading to a stadium that was 90% full of rabid Pies fans spurred on the home side and helped intimidate umpires to give 50/50 calls in our favour. Collingwood had a huge home ground advantage at VicPark.

At the G we are just one of six 'tenants' and even Geelong choose to play home games there. The home ground advantage is lost as the crowd isn't completely one sided at a ground you play at just once per year.

At the G, especially on GF day, this advantage is non existent.

Adelaide being on a plane for an hour two or three days before the game isn't a big deal.

The US sports players who potentially are impacted by travel are flying immediately after games and having to play the next day or even the same day...and they cop a stadium with 95% of fans cheering on their opponents, who are deliberately trying to put off free throws...make noise to disrupt offensive communication in NFL etc

Just to be clear, you’re claiming that home ground advantage has stopped being a thing?

 

[doppleganger]

The parts you’ve stated are parity, yes. My beef is that parity is not applied to the ultimate decider.

Where is your beef with MCG tenants not getting home games at home during the season?

 

[Big Crow]

Where is your beef with MCG tenants not getting home games at home during the season?

I’m unsure exactly what you mean. Are you talking about Vic vs Vic teams?

 

[rado]

The parts you’ve stated are parity, yes. My beef is that parity is not applied to the ultimate decider.

Look ..... the GF location has been done to death and every interstate poster claims unfairness however its been renewed until 2057 because it makes sense. Tonight on SEN prior to the crows v pies M Blight and K Cornes both applauded the decision saying they felt no other venue could compete with where the GF is currently held.

 

[doppleganger]

Just to be clear, you’re claiming that home ground advantage has stopped being a thing?

People have analysed soccer competitions for which clubs have biggest home ground advantages.

Clubs that play at stadiums that had an athletic track between the pitch and fans had less of an advantage than those where fans were right up on the pitch.

It is acknowledged that the biggest factor is the bias refs display to the home team...the iffy penalty gets awarded to the home team, the soft touch foul is given to the home team.

Liverpool and Everton play at opposite ends of Stanley Park, Liverpool have a better record at Anfield as it is 90% Liverpool fans at every home game...there is no travel, no ground dimensions or familiarity dribble.

 

[Big Crow]

Look ..... the GF location has been done to death and every interstate poster claims unfairness however its been renewed until 2057 because it makes sense. Tonight on SEN prior to the crows v pies M Blight and K Cornes both applauded the decision saying they felt no other venue could compete with where the GF is currently held.

It’s not claiming unfairness, it is plainly unfair.

As for the good parts of hosting the GF at the ‘G, these are equally undeniable. It’s just that none of these reasons have anything to do with a level playing field.

 

[Big Crow]

People have analysed soccer competitions for which clubs have biggest home ground advantages.

Clubs that play at stadiums that had an athletic track between the pitch and fans had less of an advantage than those where fans were right up on the pitch.

It is acknowledged that the biggest factor is the bias refs display to the home team...the iffy penalty gets awarded to the home team, the soft touch foul is given to the home team.

Liverpool and Everton play at opposite ends of Stanley Park, Liverpool have a better record at Anfield as it is 90% Liverpool fans at every home game...there is no travel, no ground dimensions or familiarity dribble.

Well, yeah.

 

[kranky al]

Look ..... the GF location has been done to death and every interstate poster claims unfairness however its been renewed until 2057 because it makes sense. Tonight on SEN prior to the crows v pies M Blight and K Cornes both applauded the decision saying they felt no other venue could compete with where the GF is currently held.

Wow - shit really

Two people agreed

Oh no worries im on board now that youve pointed that out

Wow you should like be a debater - you should enter all the debates - lots of them - a mass debater

 

[doppleganger]

I’m unsure exactly what you mean. Are you talking about Vic vs Vic teams?

Adelaide get 11 home games at Adelaide oval.

MCG tenants don't get 11 home games at the G.

 

[kranky al]

People have analysed soccer competitions for which clubs have biggest home ground advantages.

Clubs that play at stadiums that had an athletic track between the pitch and fans had less of an advantage than those where fans were right up on the pitch.

It is acknowledged that the biggest factor is the bias refs display to the home team...the iffy penalty gets awarded to the home team, the soft touch foul is given to the home team.

Liverpool and Everton play at opposite ends of Stanley Park, Liverpool have a better record at Anfield as it is 90% Liverpool fans at every home game...there is no travel, no ground dimensions or familiarity dribble.

How about posting some links rather than your feels

 

[Big Crow]

Adelaide get 11 home games at Adelaide oval.

MCG tenants don't get 11 home games at the G.

Collingwood, for example, have 14 games there this year and only travel interstate 5 times. This is pretty typical of most seasons in recent memory. Not sure what you’re getting at.

 

[rado]

Wow - shit really

Two people agreed

Oh no worries im on board now that youve pointed that out

Wow you should like be a debater - you should enter all the debates - lots of them - a mass debater

Wowiee someone’s still cranky over the 2015 grand final...

 

[rado]

Collingwood, for example, have 14 games there this year and only travel interstate 5 times. This is pretty typical of most seasons in recent memory. Not sure what you’re getting at.

He’s getting at the fact that you get 10 home games per year that are completely weighted in your favour as they are in your cosy home state against interstate teams. 1 is against port making it a neutral venue.
A Richmond or Collingwood might get 3-4 home games against interstate teams per year, and the rest of the home games are played at neutral venues against teams up the road (not really home ground advantage)

Interstate teams get an easier ride to finals throughout home and away, as do Geelong, this is clear to all.

The grand final is played at the biggest ground for the biggest spectacle and to allow the biggest number of supporters to attend. Build a 100,000 seat stadium in Adelaide and I will happily come watch the grand final there. Until then, stop complaining and get on with it

 

[Captain_Bender]

If supporters of such teams such as Adelaide and West Coast had to watch their team miss more than 5 finals series in a row, there would be none of them left, band-wagoners can only cope if their teams are regular finalist, would kill them to follow a team like Richmond or Melbourne who did nothing for over 10 years

 

[Demonic Ascent]

All while our best players headed east? Sure.

Yeah why not? You support the club, not the players yeah? If you couldn't retain your players then it's obvious the other state leagues were untenable. The VFL was the only competition strong enough to take the game national. And it has and it has thrived.

 

[telsor]

Stage 5 is the City end redevelopment so that we can play finals in their rightful location

Yep, government funding for renovating KP helps ensure finals keep getting played at the G.

Wont stop the Geelong saltworks though. They'll take the money knowing the reason behind it, and as soon as they've got it, they'll start whinging about those conditions they took it under.

 

[telsor]

https://m.facebook.com/Boycott-the-VFL-Grand-Final-961391257357747/?ref=content_filter

Spread the word.

I will, people need a good laugh.

 

[telsor]

Wow - shit really

Two people agreed

Oh no worries im on board now that youve pointed that out

Wow you should like be a debater - you should enter all the debates - lots of them - a mass debater

Well, your debating technique seems to be a mass of posts all with the same unfounded rants, so that title would seem to sit well with you.

 

[Toump Ass]

Why wouldn't you hold a premier sporting event like the Toyota AFL Grand Final in the best city in the world?

As if anyone wants to go the Grand Final in Adelaide

 

[lewigie]

He’s getting at the fact that you get 10 home games per year that are completely weighted in your favour as they are in your cosy home state against interstate teams. 1 is against port making it a neutral venue.
A Richmond or Collingwood might get 3-4 home games against interstate teams per year, and the rest of the home games are played at neutral venues against teams up the road (not really home ground advantage)

Interstate teams get an easier ride to finals throughout home and away, as do Geelong, this is clear to all.

The grand final is played at the biggest ground for the biggest spectacle and to allow the biggest number of supporters to attend. Build a 100,000 seat stadium in Adelaide and I will happily come watch the grand final there. Until then, stop complaining and get on with it

Ah okay so your point is that even though your team is playing at the exact same ground with the exact same dimensions and conditions and change rooms, it's not listed as your "home" ground so there's no benefit that that has at all.

And then you're saying that there is obviously no benefit from that, so when the grand final is played at that exact same ground that Collingwood have played 14 games at during the year, there is no greater advantage than an interstate team would have.

Right.

 

[lewigie]

Yeah why not? You support the club, not the players yeah? If you couldn't retain your players then it's obvious the other state leagues were untenable. The VFL was the only competition strong enough to take the game national. And it has and it has thrived.

Not true. West Coast entering the league saved it from going down the shitter, bankrupt.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

Understandable that a few interstaters are getting upset. But look on the bright side... slum-bulldog millionaires are getting all three of our grounds upgraded

 

[telsor]

Not true. West Coast entering the league saved it from going down the shitter, bankrupt.

You know, repeating a lie doesn't actually make it true...

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Look ..... the GF location has been done to death and every interstate poster claims unfairness however its been renewed until 2057 because it makes sense. Tonight on SEN prior to the crows v pies M Blight and K Cornes both applauded the decision saying they felt no other venue could compete with where the GF is currently held.

Cash for comment?

It's a farce, what makes it worse is they got Ed (The most outspoken critic of expasion teams) to birth it, must've been like a slap in the face for our Eastern seaboard members lol.

 

[kidkenobi]

I don't see how this is a good thing for the competition, I honestly thought the AFL would be moving away from this rather than doubling down on it. It's simply too big of an advantage to some teams to have the GF at the MCG, and often the advantage is completely undeserved. It makes zero sense unless the AFL think money is the only factor worth taking into consideration. The decision is fine if the AFL has decided that their philosophy is to put profits ahead of everything else, but if they value fairness at all in this competition then it's pretty hard to justify this.