Game of Sloane (THE OFFICIAL HE IS STAYING thread) Thread now closed

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Remember upswing days? We don't even bother with them anymore

 

[Hammond]

As far as I know, those “facts” are incorrect. Balfours had been sponsoring the showdowns and didn’t feel they were getting bang for their buck. THEY approached the club and said they’d like to pull some of that money from the club and put it towards sponsoring a player for advertising. We didn’t set it up, but because we had been a part of the conversation, we got pinged for it. Bear in mind, the conversation was a legitimate club/sponsor lunch... and they were talking sponsorship, it’s just that THEY decided they wanted to change which way they went. We never paid a cent to Tippett, and if we had, it still wouldn’t have gone over the TPP.

It was reported differently at the time if I recall

“The investigation also found a letter from Harper to club sponsor Balfours, instructing the bakery to divert $20,000 to $40,000 from a $140,000 sponsorship to Tippett. In return the forward became a Balfours ambassador, filming a series of advertisements while dressed in an apron and chef's hat.”

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

As far as I know, those “facts” are incorrect. Balfours had been sponsoring the showdowns and didn’t feel they were getting bang for their buck. THEY approached the club and said they’d like to pull some of that money from the club and put it towards sponsoring a player for advertising. We didn’t set it up, but because we had been a part of the conversation, we got pinged for it. Bear in mind, the conversation was a legitimate club/sponsor lunch... and they were talking sponsorship, it’s just that THEY decided they wanted to change which way they went. We never paid a cent to Tippett, and if we had, it still wouldn’t have gone over the TPP.

You are flat out 100% wrong.

Remember Fabulous Phil's leaked emails? One of them described specifically that we could tip club sponsorship money into Tippett's pocket.

There are absolutely no outs for any of the AFC personnel.

 

[Truck25]

As far as I know, those “facts” are incorrect. Balfours had been sponsoring the showdowns and didn’t feel they were getting bang for their buck. THEY approached the club and said they’d like to pull some of that money from the club and put it towards sponsoring a player for advertising. We didn’t set it up, but because we had been a part of the conversation, we got pinged for it. Bear in mind, the conversation was a legitimate club/sponsor lunch... and they were talking sponsorship, it’s just that THEY decided they wanted to change which way they went. We never paid a cent to Tippett, and if we had, it still wouldn’t have gone over the TPP.

But with the penalty we got you'd think we'd set up a regime of dodgy injections over most of our squad against our doctors advice and without AFL knowledge costing said players 12 months of their playing career. Oh wait...it was worse than that.

 

[Brenton Davy]

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"If you stay I'll give you the captaincy "

Thing is, I honestly think it's something Tex would actually say to Rory.

 

[jenny61_99]

You are flat out 100% wrong.

Remember Fabulous Phil's leaked emails? One of them described specifically that we could tip club sponsorship money into Tippett's pocket.

There are absolutely no outs for any of the AFC personnel.

Show me the emails. Because from the horses mouth, that’s what I was told. And as I said, the suggestion came from Balfours not us. The thing that hung us was confirmation of the conversation that they had. It wasn’t instigated by us.

 

[Thetrader15]

"If you stay I'll give you the captaincy "

Thing is, I honestly think it's something Tex would actually say to Rory.

No he wouldn't. He wants players to stay but not like that

 

[Iron]

Show me the emails. Because from the horses mouth, that’s what I was told. And as I said, the suggestion came from Balfours not us. The thing that hung us was confirmation of the conversation that they had. It wasn’t instigated by us.

With all due respect and without knowing the extent of your friendship in question...

Would the conversation you had have been an entirely accurate representation? I know if I were embarrassed I wouldn't be telling anyone the full truth. Other than the warm trust of another good citizen, why would the complete truth make its way to you?

I'd definitely sprinkle it with a bit of "yeah look they approached us, we just went along with it which was a mistake. PS tell everyone who asks thats what happened"

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Show me the emails. Because from the horses mouth, that’s what I was told. And as I said, the suggestion came from Balfours not us. The thing that hung us was confirmation of the conversation that they had. It wasn’t instigated by us.

You've been shown a million times.

At some point you need to accept (and read) the AFL Commission's findings and stop believing the self-serving pap people are dishing up.

It wasn't from Balfours. We panicked because there was going to be a shortfall in the money we'd promised him.

PHIL Harper was appointed from within the club to replace Reid. From a series of emails unearthed during the AFL's investigation, it appears to have become his unenviable duty to ensure Tippett received his undeclared money, while keeping Trigg in the loop.

There is an email from Harper to Blucher in early 2011, in which Harper says he has ''tipped'' the forward, Dangerfield and captain Nathan van Berlo into an endorsement deal with a construction company owned by former board member Alan Sheppard. These deals were approved by the league at the time, but Harper's use of the word ''tipped'' catches the attention of investigators. Independent agreements are supposed to be just that - not sought, facilitated or set up by clubs.

There are more emails. In one, Harper discusses with Trigg and Adelaide finance manager Grant Rutherford whether the club had room in its salary cap to cover an anticipated shortfall in Tippett's additional $200,000, expressing doubt the club could absorb it. The same concern is broached in another email, sent earlier this year to Trigg, Rutherford, list manager David Noble and general manager of finance and administration Shane Smallacombe, with Harper explaining the Crows were around $50,000 short on the $200,000 and that if they couldn't find other companies to chip in, the money would have to go into the club's salary cap. Adelaide could not afford to not pay Tippett the money, he said, because otherwise the letter might resurface, leaving the Crows facing a hefty AFL fine. The football manager finished with an instruction: ''please delete this email''.

Over time, Adelaide officials appear to have become frustrated, believing Tippett was knocking back good offers because they involved too much work, while further emails listed the companies he did reach agreements with, indicating that Blucher had been encouraged to contact them.

One was with Sheppard and another with Amcor Packaging, while resources company McMahon Services paid him between $20,000 and $30,000. The investigation also found a letter from Harper to club sponsor Balfours, instructing the bakery to divert $20,000 to $40,000 from a $140,000 sponsorship to Tippett. In return the forward became a Balfours ambassador, filming a series of advertisements while dressed in an apron and chef's hat.

 

[Elite Crow]

You've been shown a million times.

At some point you need to accept (and read) the AFL Commission's findings and stop believing the self-serving pap people are dishing up.

It wasn't from Balfours. We panicked because there was going to be a shortfall in the money we'd promised him.

Yeah we just pleaded guilty and handed back picks because we didn’t need them.

 

[Smoooothy]

The football manager finished with an instruction: ''please delete this email''.

this part is the funniest of the lot. never change phil..

 

[Wood_Duck]

Yeah we just pleaded guilty and handed back picks because we didn’t need them.

We did that to save Trigg's skin.

 

[Elite Crow]

We did that to save Trigg's skin.

As I pointed out to Chapman

 

[jenny61_99]

With all due respect and without knowing the extent of your friendship in question...

Would the conversation you had have been an entirely accurate representation? I know if I were embarrassed I wouldn't be telling anyone the full truth. Other than the warm trust of another good citizen, why would the complete truth make its way to you?

I'd definitely sprinkle it with a bit of "yeah look they approached us, we just went along with it which was a mistake. PS tell everyone who asks thats what happened"

Absolutely fair comment. I was only ever told about the Balfours deal and I 100% trust what I was told... never heard (didn't register??) about the other one. Apologies.

 

[jenny61_99]

You've been shown a million times.

At some point you need to accept (and read) the AFL Commission's findings and stop believing the self-serving pap people are dishing up.

It wasn't from Balfours. We panicked because there was going to be a shortfall in the money we'd promised him.

Maybe I've ADD'd it, but I honestly don't remember seeing this. The only one I was told about (and I'm pretty sure it's the only one they thought they were responding to - maybe the others came later?) was the Balfours one with Tippett in which I was assured the mistake here was confirming what Balfours had requested, at a meeting. (ie. confirming what we discussed over lunch). I was also told no payments were made (to Tippett), and even if we had we wouldn't have gone over the TPP and I can't respond about the other ones, because as I said... I never heard about that. Maybe I wasn't (chose not to?) reading everything? So I just want to apologise.. I was clearly missing a few pictures in the puzzle.

 

[subaru]

"If you stay I'll give you the captaincy "

Thing is, I honestly think it's something Tex would actually say to Rory.

Not so sure about that
I think Rory could not be captain with Tex in the side

But I do think he’s saying
“Winning at home in front of that crowd ? Priceless “

 

[GameofSloanes]

"If you stay I'll give you the captaincy "

Thing is, I honestly think it's something Tex would actually say to Rory.

Which is why he is a good captain. Would do anything to benefit the club

 

[GameofSloanes]

Bit of noise the last few days re Sloane staying eg tweet from Massie, Blight saying about it last night on AA. Anything to it or just because he's playing again?

I've kind of given up, but it's usually this time of year he's signed in the past so there's still a tiny glimmer. I'd rather be put out of my misery tbh

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Maybe I've ADD'd it, but I honestly don't remember seeing this. The only one I was told about (and I'm pretty sure it's the only one they thought they were responding to - maybe the others came later?) was the Balfours one with Tippett in which I was assured the mistake here was confirming what Balfours had requested, at a meeting. (ie. confirming what we discussed over lunch). I was also told no payments were made (to Tippett), and even if we had we wouldn't have gone over the TPP and I can't respond about the other ones, because as I said... I never heard about that. Maybe I wasn't (chose not to?) reading everything? So I just want to apologise.. I was clearly missing a few pictures in the puzzle.

No worries

One of the misconceptions out there is that we were unfairly penalised because we didn't even go over the cap. G Cornes was spouting this one at every opportunity from memory.

Actually we were never punished for going over the cap.

"As announced by Chairman Mike Fitzpatrick, all parties pleaded guilty to all charges laid against them,” Mr Demetriou said.

“The charges against the Adelaide Crows Football Club, its officials and former player Kurt Tippett all related to, firstly, a side agreement, outside the standard playing contract, for the Adelaide Crows to transfer player Tippett to the club of his choice after the 2012 season; This agreement was signed in 2009 and did not come to the attention of the AFL until the latter part of this year.

“Secondly, there were side agreements, outside the operation of the TPP rules, for payments to player Tippett of $100,000 in both 2011 and 2012, in addition to his standard playing contract and an ASA contract with the club for promotional work; These side agreements were signed in 2009 and did not come to the attention of the AFL until the latter part of this year. As part of this, a number of inaccurate statutory declarations were lodged by the Adelaide Crows with the AFL. The effect of this would have been to make Kurt Tippett a free agent when he was not entitled to be one.

“Thirdly, there was the facilitation by the Adelaide Crows Football Club of three separate side agreements, outside the operation of the TPP rules, for payments to player Tippett in 2011 and 2012, in addition to his standard playing contract and an ASA contract with the Club for promotional work. The facilitation of these agreements occurred across the various years 2009, 2010 and 2011 and did not come to the attention of the AFL until the latter part of this year. As part of this, a number of inaccurate statutory declarations were lodged by the Adelaide Crows with the AFL.”

 

[Crowboto]

Bit of noise the last few days re Sloane staying eg tweet from Massie, Blight saying about it last night on AA. Anything to it or just because he's playing again?

I've kind of given up, but it's usually this time of year he's signed in the past so there's still a tiny glimmer. I'd rather be put out of my misery tbh

He is goneski mate.

 

[Captain Morgan]

He is goneski mate.

Naa he’s notski

 

[cmndstab]

Yeah we just pleaded guilty and handed back picks because we didn’t need them.

To be fair, that was primarily because of the agreement/contract to trade him for a second round pick if he chose to leave. The dodgy Balfours deal was just one of the side stories to the draft tampering case.

We were guilty of both, of course. But unless I'm remembering wrong, it was the draft tampering that cost us the sanctions on draft picks. The Balfours stuff just led to a bunch of fines and suspensions of admin staff.

Incidentally, to this day I maintain that handing back the picks was the right move. People nowadays often paint it as an offer so that Trigg could keep his job, but that wasn't what it was. Everyone knew that, if found guilty, we were going to lose two years worth of picks, the AFL had made that very clear. It was widely reported that it was the expected penalty at the time. The talk was that we'd miss the following two years, since draft day was just around the corner. We had just finished in the top 4. It made sense for 2012 to be one of the years we lost picks in rather than having it stretch to 2014 (where we ended up finishing 10th).

 

[Redleg Crow]

I love how we are all so sure he’s gone that this thread struggles to stay on topic for more than a page

 

[Elite Crow]

To be fair, that was primarily because of the agreement/contract to trade him for a second round pick if he chose to leave. The dodgy Balfours deal was just one of the side stories to the draft tampering case.

We were guilty of both, of course. But unless I'm remembering wrong, it was the draft tampering that cost us the sanctions on draft picks. The Balfours stuff just led to a bunch of fines and suspensions of admin staff.

Incidentally, to this day I maintain that handing back the picks was the right move. People nowadays often paint it as an offer so that Trigg could keep his job, but that wasn't what it was. Everyone knew that, if found guilty, we were going to lose two years worth of picks, the AFL had made that very clear. It was widely reported that it was the expected penalty at the time. The talk was that we'd miss the following two years, since draft day was just around the corner. We had just finished in the top 4. It made sense for 2012 to be one of the years we lost picks in rather than having it stretch to 2014 (where we ended up finishing 10th).

So how did Essendon receive less draft sanctions? Coincidence that their CEO resigned?

 

[Mego Red]

You've been shown a million times.

At some point you need to accept (and read) the AFL Commission's findings and stop believing the self-serving pap people are dishing up.

It wasn't from Balfours. We panicked because there was going to be a shortfall in the money we'd promised him.

Jesus, how minor do these things look in hindsight.

We really did fold like wet tissue.

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