Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 9

[RussellEbertHandball]

I think Glenelg had 3mil debts a couple of years ago and managed to survive for the near future.

What about Sturt? How many times where they supposed to go under. But got a smart woman to run the place, reconnect with the local community, become relevant to an area that was gentrified and are now a power house. Didnt they win the A grade, reserves and U/18 in 2017?

 

[Power Raid]

Fold because of a $600k debt! Really? FMD that is the price of a 3 bedroom house 15km from Perth CBD. Am I right Power Raid?

Dont they have any supporters?? They have won 19 or 20 flags.

Was the move to Joondalup 25 years ago the reason for their problems? Not sure how a team west of Perth is supposed to survive when it moves 20km north of its traditional base. What are demographics of Joondalup?

South Adelaide have survived the move from St Marys/Panther Park in the early 1990's because of pokies. WA dosen't have pokies - only at the casino.

west perth had it's supporter base eroded, firstly by the shift from WAFL to the AFL. Adding to that, it was squished between Perth and subiaco meaning it's area of influence was small to start with. Then the mining companies moved in west perth pushing rental prices above $600 per square metre, well above what a resident could pay.

who knows why they haven't been able to connect with the residents in Joondalup. Perhaps not adopting the name Joondalup was a mistake, perhaps Joondalup is full of poms and other nationalities, perhaps the WAFL just isn't relevant etc etc

My gut feel is they moved there, to position themselves as the next WA AFL franchise but it clearly hasn't worked.

Fortunately for ordinary people, property prices in Perth continue to become more affordable each year. I'd suggest I've lost $500k on my house and I paid $500k less than the owner before me. That's a 35% fall in 8 years.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Hahaha so good! If anything perfectly captures the essence of AFLX and the scale of its failure it’s a melted Zooper Dooper in the hands of its creator.

I had completely forgotten that Crows had won a Premiership this year.

 

[JAlexG]

Gill absolutely kicking his lips at the chance to ‘do something massive for the game’.
Which is clearly needing to get more ratings on tv to activate his and his chum mates executive bonuses.

 

[Ishikawa]

Fold because of a $600k debt! Really? FMD that is the price of a 3 bedroom house 15km from Perth CBD. Am I right Power Raid?

Dont they have any supporters?? They have won 19 or 20 flags.

Was the move to Joondalup 25 years ago the reason for their problems? Not sure how a team west of Perth is supposed to survive when it moves 20km north of its traditional base. What are demographics of Joondalup?

South Adelaide have survived the move from St Marys/Panther Park in the early 1990's because of pokies. WA dosen't have pokies - only at the casino.

west perth had it's supporter base eroded, firstly by the shift from WAFL to the AFL. Adding to that, it was squished between Perth and subiaco meaning it's area of influence was small to start with. Then the mining companies moved in west perth pushing rental prices above $600 per square metre, well above what a resident could pay.

who knows why they haven't been able to connect with the residents in Joondalup. Perhaps not adopting the name Joondalup was a mistake, perhaps Joondalup is full of poms and other nationalities, perhaps the WAFL just isn't relevant etc etc

My gut feel is they moved there, to position themselves as the next WA AFL franchise but it clearly hasn't worked.

Fortunately for ordinary people, property prices in Perth continue to become more affordable each year. I'd suggest I've lost $500k on my house and I paid $500k less than the owner before me. That's a 35% fall in 8 years.

The move to Joondalup was necessary and to be honest I think they've made a pretty good fist of community engagement - probably better than most other WAFL clubs. The area does have a lot of English & South African demographics (per the link below they wore and believe continue to wear a guernsey with the Union Jack on it for international round one a year) - but I don't think that is the issue as in my experience most of these families still end up with an interest in footy being the local game. Would say that their natural affinity with rugby is still maintained, but in Perth it is naturally not as accessible than football.

WAFL International Round a huge success

I think the major issue financially is now council support. They put the hard word on the Falcons a couple of years ago to change their name to Joondalup which obviously would have been associated with an increase in funding. While history like that is a touchy and tricky issue, my gut feel is that it was time to change. Perhaps not relevant now but there was a bit of an uproar about three years ago with the club being sponsored directly by the local branch of Channel 9. 7, the broadcasters of the WAFL and owners of the West Australian newspaper were having none of that and refused to broadcast them with their very prominent logo. While 9 got some good ambush marketing out of it and probably a bit of "good cop" brand enhancement, no coverage is an untenable situation so a change in major sponsor was required and whilst don't know the figures I almost would guarantee is not as lucrative.

It's been discussed many a time, but the state leagues kind of fall in that in-between no-mans land of being below the top flight but just that bit elite for the local community (compared to say an amateur club). It's a shame but an awkward position to be in with ties from each generation not quite as strong as the last. Those prevailing headwind for the WAFL as a competition as a whole are no doubt at play here too.

 

[PA88]

What about Sturt? How many times where they supposed to go under. But got a smart woman to run the place, reconnect with the local community, become relevant to an area that was gentrified and are now a power house. Didnt they win the A grade, reserves and U/18 in 2017?

They had benefactors come to their aid. How many, how much, and for how long is unknown but it coincided at the time of the one club where they left many reserves players unpaid whilst paying 30k to 35k up front sign on to Kirkwood and Beard.

 

[Doctor Feel]

If Gil wants a legacy, he could just forge ahead with an AFL reserves comp but I guess we've got AFLX.

 

[raptalia]

I do not mind the AFL trialling a few rule changes later in the year. The 6-6-6 rule may be a move in the right direction as it will force Coaches to leave players in the forward line at the bounce. At first I thought six in each area was too many but I can see why they are doing it. It they were to say three players minimum in the forward and defensive zones opposition coaches would stack the backline. A 6-6-6 formula will encourage more one on one duals just as we had in the old days. Hope it works because AFL footy is becoming congested and hard to watch with all 36 players are in one half of the ground at times.

Guys like Cameron Ling knock the concept because they base their opinion on the game as they know it and have no concept of what footy was like in the 1980's and even the early 1990s.

 

[Papa G]

I have no problem with the AFL trialing some new rules with the bottom teams in the last couple of rounds.

Both competing teams will be playing by the same rules. There's no advantage to either team. It really shouldn't have a huge bearing on who wins, who loses and who plays well.

 

[tribey]

South Adelaide have survived the move from St Marys/Panther Park in the early 1990's because of pokies. WA dosen't have pokies - only at the casino.

They couldn't have been charged too much before that, but what with the Noarlunga Oval precinct being state government land, South Adelaide #1 ticket holder Mike Rann bestowed his Panthers with a 100-year peppercorn lease during his premiership.

Handy.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

They couldn't have been charged too much before that, but what with the Noarlunga Oval precinct being state government land, South Adelaide #1 ticket holder Mike Rann bestowed his Panthers with a 100-year peppercorn lease during his premiership.

Handy.

The land isnt the issue. Every club rents land from the council for a peppercorn rent. So south are no different.

 

[tribey]

The land isnt the issue. Every club rents land from the council for a peppercorn rent. So south are no different.

Yeah, but they didn't get such a deal until at least 5-6 years after the move. As noted, the state govt owned/controlled the land of the Noarlunga Oval precinct, not the Onkaparinga Council.

 

[Steve Dore]

I have no problem with the AFL trialing some new rules with the bottom teams in the last couple of rounds.

Both competing teams will be playing by the same rules. There's no advantage to either team. It really shouldn't have a huge bearing on who wins, who loses and who plays well.

It just makes comparison of stats across the competition even more meaningless.

It also further compromises ladder position decided on percentage.

 

[tribey]

It just makes comparison of stats across the competition even more meaningless.

It also further compromises ladder position decided on percentage.

It also puts a dent in the baseline integrity of the competition.

In literally no other league worth its salt would it happen.

"So, we've decided that because Newcastle and Brighton can't qualify for Europe, nor be relegated, in their final day clash we'll be making the goals bigger, scrapping offside and 3 designated outfielders from each side can touch the ball but only with their left hand".

 

[Papa G]

Meh. The competition is rigged anyrate.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Not to mention that if these rules do go ahead next year, then Carlton will have a three game advantage in having played with them over most of the rest of the competition.

I genuinely can't think of one that thing Gillon McLachlan has done which has genuinely benefited me as a football fan. I guess AFLW is a societal positive, but does nothing to add to my personal enjoyment of the game. Every single other thing he's done ranges from indifferent to terrible.

 

[Contested Marx]

I genuinely can't think of one that thing Gillon McLachlan has done which has genuinely benefited me as a football fan. I guess AFLW is a societal positive, but does nothing to add to my personal enjoyment of the game. Every single other thing he's done ranges from indifferent to terrible.

Adelaide Crows AFLX premiers team photo gives me joy but that's about it

 

[Jonts]

Not to mention that if these rules do go ahead next year, then Carlton will have a three game advantage in having played with them over most of the rest of the competition.

I genuinely can't think of one that thing Gillon McLachlan has done which has genuinely benefited me as a football fan. I guess AFLW is a societal positive, but does nothing to add to my personal enjoyment of the game. Every single other thing he's done ranges from indifferent to terrible.

if you ever have a daughter that'll change Schulzy

 

[OneGreatClub]

I do not mind the AFL trialling a few rule changes later in the year. The 6-6-6 rule may be a move in the right direction as it will force Coaches to leave players in the forward line at the bounce. At first I thought six in each area was too many but I can see why they are doing it. It they were to say three players minimum in the forward and defensive zones opposition coaches would stack the backline. A 6-6-6 formula will encourage more one on one duals just as we had in the old days. Hope it works because AFL footy is becoming congested and hard to watch with all 36 players are in one half of the ground at times.

Guys like Cameron Ling knock the concept because they base their opinion on the game as they know it and have no concept of what footy was like in the 1980's and even the early 1990s.

Rucci on fiveAA yesterday saying that Crows should play one of the trial games because their place in top 8 could come down to percentage and 6 6 6 against a poorer team could result in a massive number of Crows goals.
Surely that would be the most corrupt thing ever if that occurred and imagine the fuss the club Crows would displace would make.
How ridiculous.

 

[Papa G]

if you ever have a daughter that'll change Schulzy

Not really

 

[OneGreatClub]

They need to can the AFLX idea for next year and trial the new rules wilth ALL clubs in the JLT series.
Then they can look at the data for it during early next year and consider bringing in any new rules, with plenty of notice, in 2020.
However, I am still flabbergasted that Gill and Hocking want to mess with the game so much, just to please their masters, Fox and Seven.
Perhaps the Essendon Law Suit will be the end of him before he does any more damage.

 

[chiwigi]

I have no problem with the AFL trialing some new rules with the bottom teams in the last couple of rounds.

Both competing teams will be playing by the same rules. There's no advantage to either team. It really shouldn't have a huge bearing on who wins, who loses and who plays well.

Unless your whole strategy is based around creating congestion and theirs has been based around spread.
It's a huge advantage!

 

[Schulzenfest]

if you ever have a daughter that'll change Schulzy

Like I said, it's a societal good. I'm glad that the AFLW exists. I think it's great that young girls can grow up and watch people like them playing footy, I think it's great that women who want to play footy have a semi-professional level to aspire to. But it doesn't add to my personal enjoyment of the game. You can be happy that something exists for others to enjoy without enjoying it yourself.

 

[Tibbs]

Hutchy's tenticles continue to grow! Announcement just released on the ASX ...

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Crocmedia will produce all weekly match-day magazine content, including the AFL Record, AFLW publications, the AFL Season Guide, JLT Community Series, AFLX, International Rules Series, and the AFL Finals and Toyota AFL Grand Final editions.
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Edit... Second word changed after predictive txt error discerned

 

[raptalia]

Rucci on fiveAA yesterday saying that Crows should play one of the trial games because their place in top 8 could come down to percentage and 6 6 6 against a poorer team could result in a massive number of Crows goals.
Surely that would be the most corrupt thing ever if that occurred and imagine the fuss the club Crows would displace would make.
How ridiculous.

To the AFL's credit that will not happen. They have shown some common sense for a change and ensured that the rule trials will only affect teams without a finals chance. Any rules that show promise will probably be trialed again in the JLT series in 2019.

In any case we do not know what effect 6.6.6 will have. It might suit some teams more than others and maybe teams that rely on flooding and congesting the opposition's forward line will suffer. It will be interesting to watch a top eight side against a bottom four side when and if the time comes.