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I’d say a-league is higher than league
Wrong.
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I’d say a-league is higher than league
Wrong.
No.
I think you'll find that I am right.
but if you look at numbers attending games and people watching is at an all time low.
The NRL may look like it's finally got it's act together but if you look at numbers attending games and people watching is at an all time low.
You're as bad as one another.
Taking 14 years to 'rebound' isn't flash. The population has increased and the NRL world is stable.
Newspapers have been very harsh to spotlight low crowds and empty stadiums.
Instead of arguing the point it might be best to suggest reasons like scheduling, fixturing, SOO and stadiums etc.
The AFL have only recently regained lost averages due to expansion teams and playing at low capacity venues.
Why do you say that?Australian Rugby won't ever be fixed until Super Rugby dies.
Why do you say that?
You make some fair points. My concern is tho surely you only improve by playing quality opposition. If we just had a national comp and didn't play against NZ and SA teams who do we improve?Because we are beholden to whatever SANZAAR wants to do.
Not having a team in Perth is a farce. Introducing a team in Perth, developing a market and grassroots structure over more than a decade etc. then shitting on it is an even bigger farce.b
Our teams are also not going to get any better when they qualify for SR finals by virtue of simply being the best team from Australia even if they are barely top 10 of 15 sides.
I haven't had a good laugh in ages, thankyou.
Well the AFL have just matched 2011 averages. (same reference) Don't know what you're laughing about.
You make some fair points. My concern is tho surely you only improve by playing quality opposition. If we just had a national comp and didn't play against NZ and SA teams who do we improve?
Don’t see why we can’t work together the way Ireland Scotland and Wales do.And maybe cut the Oedipal umbilical cord from New Zealand and commit to positive, forthright actions for the good of Aussie rugby; without the need for worrying about another country, and the doubt and aspersions they cast over our actions.
Well, it's a tough one. We could work together, but I'm worried that it will go pear-shaped again. One of the problems New Zealand has, as you know, is a lack of money-generation. So they're always going to try to piggy-back us, even if South Africa leaves. It's similar to the apartheid era, when South Africa, as their long-standing rival were out of the game, New Zealand had to "help" Australia in order for themselves to be able to have regular test match income; that Australia became the best in the world from the late 70s to early 2000s ended putting New Zealand's nose out of joint to the point where they had to hinder the game here, rather than help. Vetoing a fourth Super 12 team; vetoing a national Aus-Pac-Asia domestic comp; dilly-dallying around and demanding more from their RWC sub-hosting status, which almost cost both countries the whole tournament. So I'd like to see Australia stand on it's own two feet without them, and make partners of other countries first. Other countries, whose national identity is not based around beating Australia at the only game they can consistently do so at; because then we can deal with a rugby fraternity who is in it for the good of game as a whole; not someone who is so fragile, that beating Australia is more important than everybody being successful.Don’t see why we can’t work together the way Ireland Scotland and Wales do.
Wow, you have a lot of knowledge on this. Being a kid growing up in Melbourne I only got into rugby just before the World Cup in 03 and as I was fairly young then I didn’t understand the politics at board levelWell, it's a tough one. We could work together, but I'm worried that it will go pear-shaped again. One of the problems New Zealand has, as you know, is a lack of money-generation. So they're always going to try to piggy-back us, even if South Africa leaves. It's similar to the apartheid era, when South Africa, as their long-standing rival were out of the game, New Zealand had to "help" Australia in order for themselves to be able to have regular test match income; that Australia became the best in the world from the late 70s to early 2000s ended putting New Zealand's nose out of joint to the point where they had to hinder the game here, rather than help. Vetoing a fourth Super 12 team; vetoing a national Aus-Pac-Asia domestic comp; dilly-dallying around and demanding more from their RWC sub-hosting status, which almost cost both countries the whole tournament. So I'd like to see Australia stand on it's own two feet without them, and make partners of other countries first. Other countries, whose national identity is not based around beating Australia at the only game they can consistently do so at; because then we can deal with a rugby fraternity who is in it for the good of game as a whole; not someone who is so fragile, that beating Australia is more important than everybody being successful.
Then, we'll be able to deal with them on a more equal footing, which is exactly how it was in the 80s and 90s. But bloody hell, we've got a longways to go before we get back to that level.
I like the post and the knowledge. I do have a feeling that rugby is about to collapse and when the game is rebuilt stakeholders who have been shut out of the game will be able to take ownership of the gameSh!t sorry man, I don't mean be a blowhard. But yeah, it's fascinating stuff.
Unfortunately, being from WA, I get heckled from pillar-to-post by a lot of the Kiwis here when I say stuff like that, who quite frankly built a lot of the game in WA. The truth of the matter is, Australia hasn't been a saint either, but we have been beholden to the interests of others for so long, it lead to the cutting of a growing expansion area of the game (WA) and numerous other problems.
But Rugby Australia has to shoulder a lot the responsibility for the problems it has sown. We went from a sport which was selling out Subiaco Oval and the Olympic Stadium in Sydney; could poach any player we wanted from the NRL (as a matter of fact, the Queensland State-of-Origin back three of Wendell Sailor, Mat Rogers and Lote Tuqiri, plus Andrew Walker from the Roosters and St George top try scorer Nathan Blacklock) and was the first country to win the world cup twice; to a game which is struggling to produce a single world class player and can't sell out a test match. And the player numbers at school level are in the toilet. That lies at the feet of Rugby Australia.
Increase of money and exposure for the pro 14 to keep up with the money in the premiership and French Top 14. While unlikely if South Africa leaves for Europe their national team may also follow and take Italy’s place in the 6 nationsTalk of South Africa quitting is overstated. Could be good for them but the European countries wouldn't get much out of it.