Knightmare
Brownlow Medallist
- Sep 22, 2010
- 19,533
- 19,542
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
- Other Teams
- Chicago Bulls
- Banned
- #1
*Hastily put together but hopefully easy enough to follow. Busy weekend so didn't have the time to do it earlier.
Hinesight:
ND:
Isaac Quaynor
– bid on earlier than I’d feel comfortable with talents I rate more highly to be available at next pick *38 on draft board
Will Kelly
– same story as Quaynor *not on draft board but would be around 70 if I kept extending power rankings – due to a lot of my draft board after 40 being mature agers.
Atu Bosenavulagi
– picked in a suitable spot. Just had a few rated more highly *not on draft board but would be around 60 if I kept extending it out. Would have taken as a cat b rookie instead. It would have allowed the Pies to have taken another pick.
RD:
Redrafting: Tim Broomhead and Sam Murray – Broomhead too many injuries and has had long enough. Murray could be suspended for four years which makes his re-drafting a waste of a list position.
Knightsight:
*Would not have matched bids on any of the three drafted talents or re-drafted either rookie. This is my alternative scenario had I been picking and had such opportunities afforded.
44. Curtis Taylor
- feeling confident Gown will be available at next pick going into the draft with the sense Gown will go very late if picked at all, but know Taylor could go any pick now, I would not let him slide any further, I feel comfortable taking him here as something like a poor man’s De Goey with the same kind of tricks as that talented forward who can win it through the mids *27 on draft board
46. Noah Gown - the priority to bring in as the best KPP outside of Lukosius/King’s/Blakey. He has a lot of a young McGovern/McDonald as a KPP. *21 on draft board
49. Sydney Stack
- one of the most talented mids in the draft and outside of Clark WA’s best talent *22 on draft board
RD.
First pick: Jon Marsh – Mentally ready to go and still has game. Could be one of the clubs starting key defenders and if Dunn doesn’t return to his former level could take his spot and be the second key defender to Moore. Worst case scenario he’s depth, but of AFL quality. He’s better than Roughead and every day would be my choice ahead of him in defence.
Second pick: Mitch Podhajski – 191cm mid who can play forward and hit the scoreboard. Has dominated in the TAC Cup and performed strongly in the VFL. *31 on draft board and picked last because there was no suspicion he would need to be taken earlier.
Cat b: Atu
*Had I not felt the need for a key defender such as Marsh and had I known Stack would slip through the draft, I’d have been all over Boyd Woodcock as a small forward with the third national draft selection.
Knightsight:
*Would not have traded for Dayne Beams
or signed Jordan Roughead
. Would have traded for Jarryd Lyons
, Aaron Hall
and Daniel Hannebery
during the trade period if I could have for late picks. Jon Patton another if available for a late pick.
*Taking only Beams and Roughead out of the equation.. A draft could look like:
21. Bid on Connor McFadyen (Bris Academy). If bid matched, I’d bid on Rhylee West
. If bid matched I’m trading the pick down to Gold Coast for their x2 second round picks which they would accept, accepting less in the real thing – knowing they don’t want to use two second round picks.
Picks then becomes:
27. Bid on Jarrod Cameron
. Take Bailey Williams
32. and with the other pick if Cameron bid not matched Curtis Taylor
.
49. Noah Gown
55. Sydney Stack
Other pick/s I'd carry over to RD not fearing my guys won't be available or if they're not, feeling comfortable with the next alternative.
RD: Same concept as above. Get Marsh and Podhajski. Jye Bolton I like returning to Collingwood. Mitch Grigg if I had yet another rookie pick would be my other - with apologies to Haiden Schloithe and Mitch Maguire who both have greater forward capabilities.
Cat b: Atu
Hindsight: (I'll go with the Beams is traded scenario just to keep it consistent with the draft)
13. Isaac Quaynor
- looking like a definite long term component in defence. Pies got this one right.
29. Will Kelly
- Pies will be hoping Kelly comes good but the hope is as he has grown late which is something I didn't foresee that he has the opportunity to come good)
77. Jake Riccardi (mature ager the next year) - was good in 2018 as an overager in the TAC Cup. I'm filthy with myself I didn't at least have him on my board as his rate of improvement was excellent in 2018. And obviously he went next level in 2019 winning the Rising Star equivalent award in the VFL.
RD: Keidean Coleman (picked the next year as overager) - would have been great as a crumbing/pressure forward
Marlion Pickett
(picked during mid-season draft 2019) - at this stage he's there until there is another mature ager or rookie who stands out more
Summary:
Looks like Pies have done well with Quaynor and may still go well with Kelly also. Bailey Williams/Curtis Taylor
I like the early looks of and Sydney Stack
was great in his first season but only time will tell how he goes long term. As of Jan 2021 I still like the guys I picked, but still being this early in the process I'd be worried if I was already decisively outdone.
Past attempts
2016/2017: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightsight-hinesight-and-hindsight.1182775/
2015: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightsight-v-hinesight-v-hindsight.1118177/
2014: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightsight-v-hinesight-v-hindsight.1082834/
2013: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/hinesight-knightsight-and-hindsight-end-of-2013.1041937/
2012: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/hinesight-knightsight-and-hindsight.981606/
Knightmare v Carlton 2012-2018:
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-hindsight-2018.1209520/page-11#post-59145352
Hinesight:
ND:
Isaac Quaynor
PLAYERCARDSTART
3
Isaac Quaynor
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 180cm
- Wt
- 88kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 14.7
- 4star
- K
- 6.7
- 3star
- HB
- 8.0
- 5star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 4star
- MG
- 244.0
- 4star
- D
- 14.7
- 4star
- K
- 6.7
- 3star
- HB
- 8.0
- 4star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 4star
- MG
- 244.0
- 4star
- D
- 14.7
- 4star
- K
- 6.7
- 3star
- HB
- 8.0
- 5star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 5star
- MG
- 244.0
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Will Kelly
PLAYERCARDSTART
20
Will Kelly
- Age
- 23
- Ht
- 194cm
- Wt
- 92kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 5.0
- 1star
- K
- 4.0
- 2star
- HB
- 1.0
- 1star
- M
- 2.0
- 2star
- T
- 0.0
- 1star
- MG
- 108.0
- 2star
- D
- 5.0
- 1star
- K
- 4.0
- 1star
- HB
- 1.0
- 1star
- M
- 2.0
- 2star
- T
- 0.0
- 1star
- MG
- 108.0
- 2star
- D
- 5.0
- 1star
- K
- 4.0
- 2star
- HB
- 1.0
- 2star
- M
- 2.0
- 3star
- T
- 0.0
- 1star
- MG
- 108.0
- 2star
PLAYERCARDEND
Atu Bosenavulagi
PLAYERCARDSTART
15
Atu Bosenavulagi
- Age
- 23
- Ht
- 180cm
- Wt
- 83kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 9.5
- 2star
- K
- 4.0
- 2star
- HB
- 5.5
- 4star
- M
- 2.5
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- MG
- 132.0
- 2star
- D
- 9.5
- 2star
- K
- 4.0
- 1star
- HB
- 5.5
- 3star
- M
- 2.5
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 3star
- MG
- 132.0
- 2star
- D
- 9.5
- 3star
- K
- 4.0
- 2star
- HB
- 5.5
- 4star
- M
- 2.5
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- MG
- 132.0
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
RD:
Redrafting: Tim Broomhead and Sam Murray – Broomhead too many injuries and has had long enough. Murray could be suspended for four years which makes his re-drafting a waste of a list position.
Knightsight:
*Would not have matched bids on any of the three drafted talents or re-drafted either rookie. This is my alternative scenario had I been picking and had such opportunities afforded.
44. Curtis Taylor
PLAYERCARDSTART
5
Curtis Taylor
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 188cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- M/F
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 6.0
- 1star
- K
- 3.0
- 1star
- HB
- 3.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.5
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- CL
- 0.0
- 1star
No current season stats available
- D
- 6.0
- 2star
- K
- 3.0
- 1star
- HB
- 3.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.5
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- CL
- 0.0
- 1star
PLAYERCARDEND
46. Noah Gown - the priority to bring in as the best KPP outside of Lukosius/King’s/Blakey. He has a lot of a young McGovern/McDonald as a KPP. *21 on draft board
49. Sydney Stack
PLAYERCARDSTART
44
Sydney Stack
- Age
- 23
- Ht
- 179cm
- Wt
- 75kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 15.5
- 4star
- K
- 6.8
- 3star
- HB
- 8.7
- 5star
- M
- 4.1
- 4star
- T
- 3.0
- 5star
- MG
- 202.0
- 3star
- D
- 9.8
- 2star
- K
- 3.4
- 1star
- HB
- 6.4
- 4star
- M
- 1.4
- 2star
- T
- 2.8
- 4star
- MG
- 133.0
- 2star
- D
- 16.2
- 4star
- K
- 7.2
- 3star
- HB
- 9.0
- 5star
- M
- 5.6
- 5star
- T
- 3.0
- 5star
- MG
- 227.4
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
RD.
First pick: Jon Marsh – Mentally ready to go and still has game. Could be one of the clubs starting key defenders and if Dunn doesn’t return to his former level could take his spot and be the second key defender to Moore. Worst case scenario he’s depth, but of AFL quality. He’s better than Roughead and every day would be my choice ahead of him in defence.
Second pick: Mitch Podhajski – 191cm mid who can play forward and hit the scoreboard. Has dominated in the TAC Cup and performed strongly in the VFL. *31 on draft board and picked last because there was no suspicion he would need to be taken earlier.
Cat b: Atu
*Had I not felt the need for a key defender such as Marsh and had I known Stack would slip through the draft, I’d have been all over Boyd Woodcock as a small forward with the third national draft selection.
Knightsight:
*Would not have traded for Dayne Beams
PLAYERCARDSTART
11
Dayne Beams
- Age
- 34
- Ht
- 187cm
- Wt
- 88kg
- Pos.
- Mid
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 25.6
- 5star
- K
- 13.2
- 5star
- HB
- 12.4
- 5star
- M
- 4.5
- 4star
- T
- 3.6
- 5star
- CL
- 4.9
- 5star
No current season stats available
- D
- 15.6
- 4star
- K
- 6.6
- 3star
- HB
- 9.0
- 5star
- M
- 4.6
- 5star
- T
- 2.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
PLAYERCARDSTART
23
Jordan Roughead
- Age
- 33
- Ht
- 200cm
- Wt
- 100kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 11.0
- 3star
- K
- 5.7
- 2star
- HB
- 5.2
- 4star
- M
- 4.1
- 4star
- T
- 2.7
- 4star
- MG
- 132.4
- 2star
- D
- 7.6
- 2star
- K
- 4.5
- 2star
- HB
- 3.1
- 2star
- M
- 3.5
- 3star
- T
- 1.1
- 2star
- MG
- 82.0
- 1star
- D
- 12.4
- 4star
- K
- 4.4
- 2star
- HB
- 8.0
- 5star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
PLAYERCARDSTART
17
Jarryd Lyons
- Age
- 31
- Ht
- 184cm
- Wt
- 86kg
- Pos.
- Mid
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 20.5
- 5star
- K
- 11.8
- 4star
- HB
- 8.7
- 5star
- M
- 2.9
- 3star
- T
- 4.4
- 5star
- CL
- 4.8
- 5star
- D
- 21.7
- 5star
- K
- 14.7
- 5star
- HB
- 7.0
- 4star
- M
- 3.4
- 3star
- T
- 5.1
- 5star
- CL
- 4.7
- 5star
- D
- 11.0
- 3star
- K
- 5.2
- 2star
- HB
- 5.8
- 4star
- M
- 1.8
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- CL
- 1.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
PLAYERCARDSTART
43
Aaron Hall
- Age
- 33
- Ht
- 185cm
- Wt
- 85kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 19.0
- 5star
- K
- 11.8
- 4star
- HB
- 7.2
- 4star
- M
- 3.6
- 4star
- T
- 3.3
- 5star
- MG
- 268.3
- 4star
- D
- 14.9
- 4star
- K
- 8.9
- 4star
- HB
- 6.0
- 3star
- M
- 2.3
- 2star
- T
- 2.6
- 4star
- MG
- 268.3
- 4star
- D
- 13.2
- 4star
- K
- 8.0
- 3star
- HB
- 5.2
- 4star
- M
- 2.8
- 3star
- T
- 3.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
PLAYERCARDSTART
10
Daniel Hannebery
- Age
- 33
- Ht
- 181cm
- Wt
- 81kg
- Pos.
- Mid
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 24.2
- 5star
- K
- 11.1
- 4star
- HB
- 13.2
- 5star
- M
- 3.8
- 4star
- T
- 3.9
- 5star
- CL
- 3.3
- 5star
- D
- 17.8
- 4star
- K
- 8.0
- 3star
- HB
- 9.8
- 5star
- M
- 2.6
- 3star
- T
- 2.2
- 3star
- CL
- 2.6
- 4star
- D
- 12.6
- 4star
- K
- 6.2
- 3star
- HB
- 6.4
- 4star
- M
- 3.6
- 4star
- T
- 1.4
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
*Taking only Beams and Roughead out of the equation.. A draft could look like:
21. Bid on Connor McFadyen (Bris Academy). If bid matched, I’d bid on Rhylee West
PLAYERCARDSTART
14
Rhylee West
- Age
- 23
- Ht
- 183cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 12.3
- 3star
- K
- 5.7
- 2star
- HB
- 6.7
- 4star
- M
- 2.5
- 3star
- T
- 1.5
- 3star
- G
- 0.5
- 3star
- D
- 12.0
- 3star
- K
- 6.0
- 2star
- HB
- 6.0
- 3star
- M
- 2.7
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 3star
- G
- 0.3
- 3star
- D
- 13.0
- 4star
- K
- 5.6
- 3star
- HB
- 7.4
- 5star
- M
- 2.2
- 3star
- T
- 1.4
- 4star
- G
- 0.6
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
Picks then becomes:
27. Bid on Jarrod Cameron
PLAYERCARDSTART
39
Jarrod Cameron
- Age
- 23
- Ht
- 182cm
- Wt
- 70kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 7.0
- 2star
- K
- 4.7
- 2star
- HB
- 2.3
- 2star
- M
- 1.7
- 2star
- T
- 3.6
- 5star
- G
- 1.3
- 5star
- D
- 5.0
- 1star
- K
- 3.5
- 1star
- HB
- 1.5
- 1star
- M
- 0.5
- 1star
- T
- 2.5
- 3star
- G
- 0.5
- 4star
- D
- 8.0
- 2star
- K
- 5.6
- 3star
- HB
- 2.4
- 3star
- M
- 2.0
- 3star
- T
- 4.2
- 5star
- G
- 2.0
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
32. and with the other pick if Cameron bid not matched Curtis Taylor
PLAYERCARDSTART
5
Curtis Taylor
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 188cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- M/F
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 6.0
- 1star
- K
- 3.0
- 1star
- HB
- 3.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.5
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- CL
- 0.0
- 1star
No current season stats available
- D
- 6.0
- 2star
- K
- 3.0
- 1star
- HB
- 3.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.5
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- CL
- 0.0
- 1star
PLAYERCARDEND
49. Noah Gown
55. Sydney Stack
PLAYERCARDSTART
44
Sydney Stack
- Age
- 23
- Ht
- 179cm
- Wt
- 75kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 15.5
- 4star
- K
- 6.8
- 3star
- HB
- 8.7
- 5star
- M
- 4.1
- 4star
- T
- 3.0
- 5star
- MG
- 202.0
- 3star
- D
- 9.8
- 2star
- K
- 3.4
- 1star
- HB
- 6.4
- 4star
- M
- 1.4
- 2star
- T
- 2.8
- 4star
- MG
- 133.0
- 2star
- D
- 16.2
- 4star
- K
- 7.2
- 3star
- HB
- 9.0
- 5star
- M
- 5.6
- 5star
- T
- 3.0
- 5star
- MG
- 227.4
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Other pick/s I'd carry over to RD not fearing my guys won't be available or if they're not, feeling comfortable with the next alternative.
RD: Same concept as above. Get Marsh and Podhajski. Jye Bolton I like returning to Collingwood. Mitch Grigg if I had yet another rookie pick would be my other - with apologies to Haiden Schloithe and Mitch Maguire who both have greater forward capabilities.
Cat b: Atu
Hindsight: (I'll go with the Beams is traded scenario just to keep it consistent with the draft)
13. Isaac Quaynor
PLAYERCARDSTART
3
Isaac Quaynor
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 180cm
- Wt
- 88kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 14.7
- 4star
- K
- 6.7
- 3star
- HB
- 8.0
- 5star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 4star
- MG
- 244.0
- 4star
- D
- 14.7
- 4star
- K
- 6.7
- 3star
- HB
- 8.0
- 4star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 4star
- MG
- 244.0
- 4star
- D
- 14.7
- 4star
- K
- 6.7
- 3star
- HB
- 8.0
- 5star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 5star
- MG
- 244.0
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
29. Will Kelly
PLAYERCARDSTART
20
Will Kelly
- Age
- 23
- Ht
- 194cm
- Wt
- 92kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 5.0
- 1star
- K
- 4.0
- 2star
- HB
- 1.0
- 1star
- M
- 2.0
- 2star
- T
- 0.0
- 1star
- MG
- 108.0
- 2star
- D
- 5.0
- 1star
- K
- 4.0
- 1star
- HB
- 1.0
- 1star
- M
- 2.0
- 2star
- T
- 0.0
- 1star
- MG
- 108.0
- 2star
- D
- 5.0
- 1star
- K
- 4.0
- 2star
- HB
- 1.0
- 2star
- M
- 2.0
- 3star
- T
- 0.0
- 1star
- MG
- 108.0
- 2star
PLAYERCARDEND
77. Jake Riccardi (mature ager the next year) - was good in 2018 as an overager in the TAC Cup. I'm filthy with myself I didn't at least have him on my board as his rate of improvement was excellent in 2018. And obviously he went next level in 2019 winning the Rising Star equivalent award in the VFL.
RD: Keidean Coleman (picked the next year as overager) - would have been great as a crumbing/pressure forward
Marlion Pickett
PLAYERCARDSTART
50
Marlion Pickett
- Age
- 32
- Ht
- 184cm
- Wt
- 83kg
- Pos.
- M/F
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 13.0
- 3star
- K
- 7.5
- 3star
- HB
- 5.5
- 4star
- M
- 2.4
- 3star
- T
- 3.3
- 5star
- CL
- 1.5
- 4star
- D
- 11.7
- 3star
- K
- 6.7
- 3star
- HB
- 5.0
- 3star
- M
- 2.4
- 3star
- T
- 3.6
- 4star
- CL
- 1.3
- 4star
- D
- 12.8
- 4star
- K
- 7.2
- 3star
- HB
- 5.6
- 4star
- M
- 1.8
- 2star
- T
- 3.2
- 5star
- CL
- 1.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Summary:
Looks like Pies have done well with Quaynor and may still go well with Kelly also. Bailey Williams/Curtis Taylor
PLAYERCARDSTART
5
Curtis Taylor
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 188cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- M/F
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 6.0
- 1star
- K
- 3.0
- 1star
- HB
- 3.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.5
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- CL
- 0.0
- 1star
No current season stats available
- D
- 6.0
- 2star
- K
- 3.0
- 1star
- HB
- 3.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.5
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- CL
- 0.0
- 1star
PLAYERCARDEND
PLAYERCARDSTART
44
Sydney Stack
- Age
- 23
- Ht
- 179cm
- Wt
- 75kg
- Pos.
- Def
Career
Season
Last 5
- D
- 15.5
- 4star
- K
- 6.8
- 3star
- HB
- 8.7
- 5star
- M
- 4.1
- 4star
- T
- 3.0
- 5star
- MG
- 202.0
- 3star
- D
- 9.8
- 2star
- K
- 3.4
- 1star
- HB
- 6.4
- 4star
- M
- 1.4
- 2star
- T
- 2.8
- 4star
- MG
- 133.0
- 2star
- D
- 16.2
- 4star
- K
- 7.2
- 3star
- HB
- 9.0
- 5star
- M
- 5.6
- 5star
- T
- 3.0
- 5star
- MG
- 227.4
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Past attempts
2016/2017: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightsight-hinesight-and-hindsight.1182775/
2015: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightsight-v-hinesight-v-hindsight.1118177/
2014: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightsight-v-hinesight-v-hindsight.1082834/
2013: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/hinesight-knightsight-and-hindsight-end-of-2013.1041937/
2012: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/hinesight-knightsight-and-hindsight.981606/
Knightmare v Carlton 2012-2018:
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-hindsight-2018.1209520/page-11#post-59145352
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