Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 6 - It begins. (cont in pt 7)

[Poor Form]

And gave away the identities and location of US Special Force members;

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

So trump was in Iraq for just 3 hours, didn’t even bother meeting with an Iraqi delegation, and was signing MAGA hats for troops. All class.


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Yawn. Can't please you lot, don't make it sound like they were undercover agents on a drug bust now about to be lynched. They are special operations groups in Iraq, hey folks the US Military is deploying special forces in a war zone! Oh dear now the terrorists know what ever will they do.

 

[Gough]

So trump was in Iraq for just 3 hours, didn’t even bother meeting with an Iraqi delegation, and was signing MAGA hats for troops. All class.


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It was Washington to Florida via Baghdad. Trump needed an excuse to get down to Mar a Lago for New Year's Eve, the people who've bought tickets to the party there have been promised Presidental access, and the stupid fat campaigner had backed himself into a corner with his self pitying, woah is me Christmas Tweets about being stuck in DC. Visiting the troops provided just that.

 

[Poor Form]

It was Washington to Florida via Baghdad. Trump needed an excuse to get down to Mar a Lago for New Year's Eve, the people who've bought tickets to the party there have been promised Presidental access, and the stupid fat campaigner had backed himself into a corner with his self pitying, woah is me Christmas Tweets about being stuck in DC. Visiting the troops provided just that.

impressive leaps.

 

[darrenmorgan]

Yawn. Can't please you lot, don't make it sound like they were undercover agents on a drug bust now about to be lynched. They are special operations groups in Iraq, hey folks the US Military is deploying special forces in a war zone! Oh dear now the terrorists know what ever will they do.

The commander in chief should really understand that it is against pentagon rules for troops to be involved in political activities (of which signing campaign merch clearly is). Not to mention his speech sounded more like a campaign rally.

Oh, and he out and out lied to them (which they would know) re: his fictional 10% pay rise: “You haven’t gotten one in more than 10 years. More than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one. I got you a big one.”

Military pay has increased each year for more than three decades, with a 2.4 per cent increase in 2018. (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-iraq...t-invents-salary-bump-soldiers-during-1272186)

He’s all about PR and optics, to hell with the truth, facts or acceptable norms. how anyone can defend that type of behaviour from a president is beyond me.

 

[its free real estate]

OK so let’s go back because you seem to have lost the thread.

“People elected Obama so America wasn’t racist.”

“Yes but birtherism and ‘Hussein’ show there was still a healthy racist element during Obama’s presidency.”

That wasn’t what was being argued:

Nah it was a fair amount of racism. He’s a con and a fraud used to exploiting stupid people. Fortunately for him there were enough stupid white people who bought his s**t.

The argument is that racism won Trump the election. A simplistic argument that doesn’t address the real issue, but makes dumb people feel good.

 

[Chief]

That wasn’t what was being argued:



The argument is that racism won Trump the election. A simplistic argument that doesn’t address the real issue, but makes dumb people feel good.

Your counter was along the lines of “yeah but Obama, so couldn’t possibly be racism”.

It’s right there for anyone to read.

It’s entirely obvious that is one of the extremes Trump courted - it wasn’t hard for him for obvious reasons.

 

[Poor Form]

The commander in chief should really understand that it is against pentagon rules for troops to be involved in political activities (of which signing campaign merch clearly is). Not to mention his speech sounded more like a campaign rally.

Oh, and he out and out lied to them (which they would know) re: his fictional 10% pay rise: “You haven’t gotten one in more than 10 years. More than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one. I got you a big one.”

Military pay has increased each year for more than three decades, with a 2.4 per cent increase in 2018. (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-iraq...t-invents-salary-bump-soldiers-during-1272186)

He’s all about PR and optics, to hell with the truth, facts or acceptable norms. how anyone can defend that type of behaviour from a president is beyond me.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...es-obama-signed-stuff-for-troops-too-n2538116

So I wonder if the msm and you who take your cues from them were as outraged when he signed their things?

The military pay raises since 2010 have been below 2%, comfortably below inflation so they received 0 real pay increases since then his comment isn't inaccurate in that context. I can't actually find where he claimed he'd increased it by 10% closest i found was that he said he was trying to get a 10% raise (obviously his usual braggadocios style). So no real wage growth infact wage growth outstripped by inflation until now, Trump's pay increase will be at least in line with inflation rather than below it.

 

[its free real estate]

It’s entirely obvious that is one of the extremes Trump courted - it wasn’t hard for him for obvious reasons.

What wasn’t hard for him for what obvious reasons?

 

[Magruder]

So trump was in Iraq for just 3 hours, didn’t even bother meeting with an Iraqi delegation, and was signing MAGA hats for troops. All class.


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isn't considering building a tower there

 

[its free real estate]

Millions of people who voted for Obama in 2008 then voted for Trump just eight years later. Obama's overwhelming majority came because people wanted change. He delivered basically none.

pjcrows says it right here. No one is willing to address how Obama, the first Trump candidate, didn’t deliver, and led to a more Trump-like Trump.

 

[Father Jack]

What wasn’t hard for him for what obvious reasons?

playing on people's racist tendencies due to having those same tendencies himself, but you already knew that.

 

[its free real estate]

playing on people's racist tendencies due to having those same tendencies himself, but you already knew that.

So it was the particularly unique racism of Wisconsin and Michigan that swung it for him?

 

[Magruder]

That wasn’t what was being argued:



The argument is that racism won Trump the election. A simplistic argument that doesn’t address the real issue, but makes dumb people feel good.

Agreed

1. a sense of unaddressed grievance and a desire to disrupt won Trump the election.
(credit where it's due, he tapped into it brilliantly.)
2. voter suppression, electoral role purges and the anti-democratic practice of making the poorest take unpaid time away from minimum wage jobs on a Tuesday, (in order to wait in line to maybe get a chance to vote );won Trump the election.
3. Disinformation and a concerted effort to distort the playing field by foreign actors possibly won Trump the election
4. 75,000 votes in three states won Trump the election.
5. Legal campaign to end recounts in those states may have won Trump the election.
6. Artificial and fraudulent normalisation of Trump as a "Business Man", rather than a deluded TV character who inherited vast wealth, stiffed most partners he'd ever had and went bankrupt running casinos helped win him the election.
7. Reduced democrat turnout due to a sense that Clinton would win relatively comfortably

An astonishing confluence - take any 2 of those factors away and, well, we'd probably have HRC.

 

[Chief]

What wasn’t hard for him for what obvious reasons?

I don't think there's any ambiguity in what I said, but I'll say it louder for those in the cheap seats.

It wasn't hard for him to play to the bigoted extreme because he's a racist old rich *. This fact has been established. Only a small fringe are still allowing their cognitive dissonance to push them to the belief in Trump the benevolent, tolerant, and wise besieged by hateful lies and smears.

But go ahead and post pictures of him standing near black people as if that's a viable counter to the established facts of he and his family's long, long history of bigotry dating from his grandfather's KKK membership, his slumlord father, right through to his revolting tantrum over being asked to reject David Duke's support.

Jesus Christ. This is the guy who had Steve Bannon - champion of the alt-right - working for him. Who said most illegal immigrants were murderers and rapists.

 

[its free real estate]

I don't think there's any ambiguity in what I said, but I'll say it louder for those in the cheap seats.

It wasn't hard for him to play to the bigoted extreme because he's a racist old rich ****. This fact has been established. Only a small fringe are still allowing their cognitive dissonance to push them to the belief in Trump the benevolent, tolerant, and wise besieged by hateful lies and smears.

But go ahead and post pictures of him standing near black people as if that's a viable counter to the established facts of he and his family's long, long history of bigotry dating from his grandfather's KKK membership, his slumlord father, right through to his revolting tantrum over being asked to reject David Duke's support.

Jesus Christ. This is the guy who had Steve Bannon - champion of the alt-right - working for him. Who said most illegal immigrants were murderers and rapists.

The bigoted extreme were who exactly?

 

[its free real estate]

Agreed

1. a sense of unaddressed grievance and a desire to disrupt won Trump the election.
(credit where it's due, he tapped into it brilliantly.)
2. voter suppression, electoral role purges and the anti-democratic practice of making the poorest take unpaid time away from minimum wage jobs on a Tuesday, (in order to wait in line to maybe get a chance to vote );won Trump the election.
3. Disinformation and a concerted effort to distort the playing field by foreign actors possibly won Trump the election
4. 75,000 votes in three states won Trump the election.
5. Legal campaign to end recounts in those states may have won Trump the election.
6. Artificial and fraudulent normalisation of Trump as a "Business Man", rather than a deluded TV character who inherited vast wealth, stiffed most partners he'd ever had and went bankrupt running casinos helped win him the election.
7. Reduced democrat turnout due to a sense that Clinton would win relatively comfortably

An astonishing confluence - take any 2 of those factors away and, well, we'd probably have HRC.

I would agree with all that, point 1 is the most important one. Why was Obama elected in 2008? How did he govern? Why would Trump be seen as a change agent against both Clinton and Obama?

My answers:

Obama won because he was a non-establishment candidate. He was up against two very well credentialed establishment candidates and beat them. Why? Because Americans had a reasonable sense that their country was stuffed.

He governed pretty much like a Clinton. Americans wanted change and they got a Clinton. Better than a Bush, but not what they voted for.

So when Clinton-lite has been governing for eight years, and Clinton MAXX is up for election, and you feel your country is still heading down the drain, who do you vote for?

 

[Magruder]

I don't think there's any ambiguity in what I said, but I'll say it louder for those in the cheap seats.

It wasn't hard for him to play to the bigoted extreme because he's a racist old rich ****. This fact has been established. Only a small fringe are still allowing their cognitive dissonance to push them to the belief in Trump the benevolent, tolerant, and wise besieged by hateful lies and smears.

But go ahead and post pictures of him standing near black people as if that's a viable counter to the established facts of he and his family's long, long history of bigotry dating from his grandfather's KKK membership, his slumlord father, right through to his revolting tantrum over being asked to reject David Duke's support.

Jesus Christ. This is the guy who had Steve Bannon - champion of the alt-right - working for him. Who said most illegal immigrants were murderers and rapists.

He's a bigot - of that there is very little doubt. It's just that his bigotry is not limited to race.
Look at his history in relation to NY tenants.

 

[Chief]

The bigoted extreme were who exactly?

Do you want a list of names?

 

[its free real estate]

Do you want a list of names?

Maybe something that says the states which swung from Obama to Trump were particularly bigoted.

 

[Chief]

He's a bigot - of that there is very little doubt. It's just that his bigotry is not limited to race.
Look at his history in relation to NY tenants.

There are a few articles around with long lists of this sort of behaviour. I am sure they have been posted in this thread, but it is up to about 60,000 posts over 6 threads.



Speaking of which, time for part 7.

ShanDog Malifice I will do the honours if it pleases your lordships.

 

[Magruder]

I would agree with all that, point 1 is the most important one. Why was Obama elected in 2008? How did he govern? Why would Trump be seen as a change agent against both Clinton and Obama?

yep - Clinton offered more of the same. If that's allied to a sense that you are going backwards while being told how good everything is - it's a pretty fertile environment for an outsider candidate.We'll never know but my gut is that Sanders would have carried Michigan and Wisconsin.

My contention, (not controversial), is that Trump played the "others" card. It's the Mexican criminals, illegal workers and those damn trade deals that are causing you pain. "Only I can fix it", "I am your voice". Lowest form of sales pitch imaginable rooted in mistruth and simple "home spun: common sense that in turn ignores the cause of the disaffection.

Oh and he is a bigot btw...

 

[Chief]

Maybe something that says the states which swung from Obama to Trump were particularly bigoted.

I am sure there is video of "build the wall" chants, along with reports from the ground, that can show you the foul ideas that drove a part of Trump's campaign.

Every city in every state in every country in the world has a bigoted fringe. Sometimes it isn't all that fringe.

Of course it wasn't just "black people are bad mmm'kay?" that brought us to this point. But you can't pretend he didn't play that angle. A lot.

 

[Magruder]

I am sure there is video of "build the wall" chants, along with reports from the ground, that can show you the foul ideas that drove a part of Trump's campaign.

Every city in every state in every country in the world has a bigoted fringe. Sometimes it isn't all that fringe.

Of course it wasn't just "black people are bad mmm'kay?" that brought us to this point. But you can't pretend he didn't play that angle. A lot.

Indeed he did.
It wasn’t limited to race, he targeted those he could present as not being “real” Americans or sufficiently “other”.

Part of his appeal was promoting American exceptionalism allied to sense that the privileges associated with being an American were being eroded in modernity.

In short, you are an American therefore better and entitled to better than a Mexican etc (insert whatever group you consider blameworthy )

How anyone can consider that anything other than an appeal to whatever form of personal bigotry you hold is beyond me.

 

[darrenmorgan]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...es-obama-signed-stuff-for-troops-too-n2538116

So I wonder if the msm and you who take your cues from them were as outraged when he signed their things?

The military pay raises since 2010 have been below 2%, comfortably below inflation so they received 0 real pay increases since then his comment isn't inaccurate in that context. I can't actually find where he claimed he'd increased it by 10% closest i found was that he said he was trying to get a 10% raise (obviously his usual braggadocios style). So no real wage growth infact wage growth outstripped by inflation until now, Trump's pay increase will be at least in line with inflation rather than below it.

Haha. Signing pictures of himself (as president) is comparable to signing MAGA (campaign slogan) hats and TRUMP2020 Flags? Alrighty then...

Ps how do you even find these blogs?


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[madmug]

Imagine what a majority Latino socialist state looks like. Utopia!

If you are intimating that the US Democrats are socialists, you are as silly as your comment.

The Dems are only slightly less 'corporate' play things that the Repubs.

If their is to be a backlash to the Trump lies, it will hopefully be to reinstate some sort of Democratic electoral system nearer to the ideal of one 'man', one vote. And to make access to the electoral system & to the act of voting itself, more equitable across the country.

From that one would hope to see a decent national health care system & cheaper pharmaceuticals for the elderly & poor.