Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 7 - Trump takes full responsibility.

[Groin guru]

I would be more than happy for you to provide me with evidence that it doesn't exist, meanwhile...

Law enforcement people like Roy Moore and his social profiling didn't exist (nice that Trump pardoned him)?

Since prisons were privatised it just so happened that the majority of in-mates just happen to be of colour or maybe they are just bad people?

Averaged over the nation’s state prisons, African-Americans are sent to prison at a rate just over five times greater than whites, and in some states, they’re 10 times more likely to end up behind bars. While black Americans make up 13 percent of the nation’s population, they reach roughly 40 percent of the prison population. Pervasive racism within police forces and law courts are currently under heavy media and social scrutiny.

Or that it still doesn't exist in education, banking (housing loans), health sector?

Trump has already rolled back a couple of Obama initiatives that protected minority groups. One that I recall was Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB).

The CFPB and Justice Department sued Ally Financial in December 2013 for close to $100 million in fines and damages for minority customers. They alleged that black, Hispanic, Asian and Pacific Islander borrowers paid higher interest rates for their auto loans between April 2011 and December 2013.
The CFPB also sued Honda and Toyota for ten of millions of dollars over similar charges
Car dealers, their Republican allies in Congress and business groups defended the dealer markups as a standard financing practice and said concerns of discrimination were unfounded. Of course they were.
I really can't be bothered posting any more evidence, will just be happy for you to provide yours that it doesn't exist.

So a basic univariate analysis. You must believe in the 'gender pay gap' too

So you're suggesting cops are driving into communities and rounding up African Americans and just chucking them straight into jail without a plea deal or a trial? Of course you're not. Instead, you're using the same low-level statistics that people from the 'Black lives matter' movements do and you're pointing to the criminal justice system saying that's to blame - but you don't have a shred of evidence to suggest they are corrupt. The crime rate reports are consistent (calls received match up with the number of arrests they make by race). There is a disproportionate amount of crime committed by black people - that's the reality (nothing to do with institutional racism just statistical reasons). A large proportion of crime takes place in poverty-ridden inner cities that tend to be populated by minorities, and single motherhood (now 70+% in the black community) is highly linked to crime rates (same is true for white but they have a lower % of single mothers). Crack cocaine (predominately black) and crystal meth (predominately white) possession get the same sentence for the same amount.

The only issue is the media love a story that highlights controversy. If a white person is killed by a white or black officer = no issue. If a black person is killed by a white police officer he must be racist! 95.5% of people killed by police officers are males. Is that an issue? Damn sexist cops. You can see how that sounds stupid right? Of course it does and therein lies the problem of using basic stats to highlight "issues" instead of getting to the bottom of why the single motherhood percentage is so high etc.

Again the interest rate issue can't just be broken down so simply. What is the background? Were they matched for salaries, time in job, where they live, etc. etc. They have an impact on what sort of loan you're going to get. Again, Bill Clinton tried to address this issue by lowering the interest and ability to get loans for minorities. Well that backfired. Turns out if you couldn't get a loan it's probably because you aren't in a good enough financial position, so if you all of a sudden get one it's not going to rectify it magically.

 

[Strange Cat]

The longer this shutdown continues the quicker I can see Trump hiding in his bunker

 

[GuruJane]

The statement "racism doesn't exist in the United States" is not an argument.

as i recall it someone posted that "everyone is a racist", yebiga asked for some specific examples and no-one including yourself has yet supplied any.

ooi - does challenging majority group think mean you're a troll?

 

[pjcrows]

as i recall it someone posted that "everyone is a racist", yebiga asked for some specific examples and no-one including yourself has yet supplied any.

ooi - does challenging majority group think mean you're a troll?

Who said "Everyone is a racist?"

That's a ridiculous thing to say.

 

[Strange Cat]

as i recall it someone posted that "everyone is a racist", yebiga asked for some specific examples and no-one including yourself has yet supplied any.

ooi - does challenging majority group think mean you're a troll?

Please quote where this was said

 

[happy_eagle]

The stat was "per interaction with police", so population sizes were irrelevant.

Don't you think that White people had more interactions with police, due to the fact they are 76% of the American population.
From the link you sent

An early study, published in 1977, found that a disproportionately high percent of those killed by police were racial minorities compared to their representation in the general population.

A database collected by The Guardian concluded that 1093 people in 2016 were killed by the police. The rate of fatal police shootings per million was 10.13 for Native Americans, 6.66 for Black people, 3.23 for Hispanics; 2.93 for White people and 1.17 for Asians. The database showed by total, Whites were killed by police more than any other race or ethnicity

That final sentence doesn't prove your point by the way, because it doesn't take proportions into account.

A 2015 study found that unarmed blacks were 3.49 times more likely to be shot by police than were unarmed whites.[34] Another study published in 2016 concluded that the mortality rate of legal interventions among Black and Hispanic people was 2.8 and 1.7 times higher than that among White people. Another 2015 study concluded that black people were 2.8 times more likely to be killed by police than whites. They also concluded that black people were more likely to be unarmed than white people who were in turn more likely to be unarmed than Hispanic people shot by the police

 

[Balls In]

Don't you think that White people had more interactions with police, due to the fact they are 76% of the American population.
From the link you sent



That final sentence doesn't prove your point by the way, because it doesn't take proportions into account.

Seeing you believe "institutional racism" is a thing can you show us the written policy, training or methods to institutional roll out of such a thing? Or are the stats the product of something different altogether, a disproportionate propensity by some to be involved in illegal, violent or other antisocial behaviour?

 

[Mike Smyth]

You don't believe that any of the 10 million+ illegals in the US vote?

The irony.

According to facts.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/societal-impact/noncitizens-voting-violations-and-us-elections

Only 10 million? I wonder how the majority of that 10 million arrived in the US? Nope, they don't need a wall.

 

[darrenmorgan]

Per interaction with police, white people are more likely to be shot by them than black people. The myth that unarmed black people are overrepresented in police shooting stats has been disproven a thousand times. Your opinion is based on emotion, and not facts.

“Published in the Journal of the National Medical Association, this is the first study to examine the relationship between structural racism and racial disparities in fatal police shootings at the state level. Even controlling for rates of arrest, the researchers found a strong association between the racial disparity in unarmed fatal police shootings and a range of structural racism indicators, with residential segregation showing the most pronounced association.

"The problem of police killings of unarmed black victims should not be viewed merely as a problem of flawed action on the part of individual police officers, but more as a consequence of the broader problem of structural racism," said senior author Michael Siegel, professor of community health sciences at BUSPH. "Unjustified homicide by police should be added to the long list of the public health consequences of societal racism."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180205134232.htm

 

[Mike Smyth]

“Published in the Journal of the National Medical Association, this is the first study to examine the relationship between structural racism and racial disparities in fatal police shootings at the state level. Even controlling for rates of arrest, the researchers found a strong association between the racial disparity in unarmed fatal police shootings and a range of structural racism indicators, with residential segregation showing the most pronounced association.

"The problem of police killings of unarmed black victims should not be viewed merely as a problem of flawed action on the part of individual police officers, but more as a consequence of the broader problem of structural racism," said senior author Michael Siegel, professor of community health sciences at BUSPH. "Unjustified homicide by police should be added to the long list of the public health consequences of societal racism."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180205134232.htm

Someone forgot to tell Mike that the structural racism he talks about allowed a black guy to be voted into the presidency (twice). I wonder how Mike compares America's structural racism to Israels.

"Michael has served previously as Board Chair of the Development Corporation for Israel"

 

[Strange Cat]

Someone forgot to tell Mike that the structural racism he talks about allowed a black guy to be voted in to the presidency (twice). I wonder how Mike compares America's structural racism to Israels.

"Michael has served previously as Board Chair of the Development Corporation for Israel"

Amazing

Deflection shield at 100% capacity

 

[pjcrows]

Someone forgot to tell Mike that the structural racism he talks about allowed a black guy to be voted in to the presidency (twice).

How does the election of Obama relate to whether or not there is structural racism in America?

You know that one thing can happen with or without another thing?

 

[Mike Smyth]

Amazing

Deflection shield at 100% capacity

Next you guys will be quoting from "The Complete Works of Professor Bill Ayers".

Despite the beatings of the crazies who are intent on self destruction, countries such as America, Australia, Britain, Germany etc are the most diverse, least racist countries on the planet.

 

[pjcrows]

Despite the beatings of the crazies who are intent on self destruction, countries such as America, Australia, Britain, Germany etc are the most diverse, least racist countries on the planet.

Well now you're moving the goalposts again.

I'd actually agree with your statement here. The countries you mentioned are very diverse. However, that doesn't mean there isn't racism. The level of racism that exists is obviously difficult to measure and it essentially comes down to what your definition of racism is.

To say that there isn't institutional racism in a country because it's diverse is a lazy argument. And when someone actually provides a study on it, you just go "Um yeah, Bill Ayres". I'd usually expect that from a "triggered lefty".

And again, we started with "there is no racism", to "well, there's no institutional racism", and now we're at "well, we are diverse so that means we can't be racist".

 

[Maggie5]

So a basic univariate analysis. You must believe in the 'gender pay gap' too

Totally irrelevant to what I posted.

So a basic univariate analysis. You must believe in the 'gender pay gap' too

So you're suggesting cops are driving into communities and rounding up African Americans and just chucking them straight into jail without a plea deal or a trial? Of course you're not. Instead, you're using the same low-level statistics that people from the 'Black lives matter' movements do and you're pointing to the criminal justice system saying that's to blame - but you don't have a shred of evidence to suggest they are corrupt. The crime rate reports are consistent (calls received match up with the number of arrests they make by race). There is a disproportionate amount of crime committed by black people - that's the reality (nothing to do with institutional racism just statistical reasons). A large proportion of crime takes place in poverty-ridden inner cities that tend to be populated by minorities, and single motherhood (now 70+% in the black community) is highly linked to crime rates (same is true for white but they have a lower % of single mothers). Crack cocaine (predominately black) and crystal meth (predominately white) possession get the same sentence for the same amount.

No, not suggesting that at all. Suggest you do some reading on the matter.

Again the interest rate issue can't just be broken down so simply. What is the background? Were they matched for salaries, time in job, where they live, etc. etc. They have an impact on what sort of loan you're going to get. Again, Bill Clinton tried to address this issue by lowering the interest and ability to get loans for minorities. Well that backfired. Turns out if you couldn't get a loan it's probably because you aren't in a good enough financial position, so if you all of a sudden get one it's not going to rectify it magically.

Have no idea how this relates to what I posted?

Now since it was you that stated institutional racism doesn't exist, show me the evidence. (For the second time).

 

[Strange Cat]

Next you guys will be quoting from "The Complete Works of Professor Bill Ayers".

Despite the beatings of the crazies who are intent on self destruction, countries such as America, Australia, Britain, Germany etc are the most diverse, least racist countries on the planet.

You just can’t stick to the topic you have to keep deflecting onto other ramblings/issues

Obviously it’s very hard for you to acknowledge that America is a racist society for some strange reason....

 

[maryjames]

You don't believe that any of the 10 million+ illegals in the US vote?

The irony.

According to facts.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/societal-impact/noncitizens-voting-violations-and-us-elections

How good is projectveritas..

 

[bourbons]

Hahaha just wow

Thats unreal

 

[Satan]

Ramifications of government shutdown

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/1...ss-trnd/index.html?r=https://edition.cnn.com/

With the shutdown The CDC that normally investigates such outbreaks, may have no funds to do so

https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/gilist.htm

 

[Baltimore Jack]

During the 2016 campaign, Trump promised voters he would bring congressional leaders together to make deals.

Then the government shut down three times during his second year in office

 

[Strange Cat]

Ramifications of government shutdown

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/10/health/royal-caribbean-cruise-illness-trnd/index.html?r=https://edition.cnn.com/

With the shutdown The CDC that normally investigates such outbreaks, may have no funds to do so

https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/gilist.htm

The longer it goes on the worse it’ll get ....Donald is digging his own grave here and he’s too stupid to realise it

 

[darrenmorgan]

During the 2016 campaign, Trump promised voters he would bring congressional leaders together to make deals.

Then the government shut down three times during his second year in office

The Art of the Deal

 

[Gough]

The longer it goes on the worse it’ll get ....Donald is digging his own grave here and he’s too stupid to realise it

The e-verify system which allows employers to see whether an applicant is legal or not has been down since December 22 because of the shutdown. Thanks to Trump it's easier than ever for people to find work.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Per interaction with police, white people are more likely to be shot by them than black people. The myth that unarmed black people are overrepresented in police shooting stats has been disproven a thousand times. Your opinion is based on emotion, and not facts.

White people are less likely to have interaction with police because they are sitting in their car, or because they have a nice car. They are less likely to have the police called on them without cause as well.

The number of times police will hold up black people, have them sit on the pavement, search every passenger and try to work out a charge, but let them go when cameras show up is laughable.

I believe there is an effort to get these people into the system and the arrest rates are inflated accordingly.

 

[FireKrakouer]

“Published in the Journal of the National Medical Association, this is the first study to examine the relationship between structural racism and racial disparities in fatal police shootings at the state level. Even controlling for rates of arrest, the researchers found a strong association between the racial disparity in unarmed fatal police shootings and a range of structural racism indicators, with residential segregation showing the most pronounced association.

"The problem of police killings of unarmed black victims should not be viewed merely as a problem of flawed action on the part of individual police officers, but more as a consequence of the broader problem of structural racism," said senior author Michael Siegel, professor of community health sciences at BUSPH. "Unjustified homicide by police should be added to the long list of the public health consequences of societal racism."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180205134232.htm

Everything about the part you quoted screamed "non-scientific". Emotive language, no numbers etc. Sure enough, upon clicking the link I find that they bizarrely opted to get their data not from official police/government sources, but from "Mapping Police Violence Project". Check out their site, it looks like it was designed by 14 year old with an agenda. "Stop the racess cops!!!!"

White people are less likely to have interaction with police because they are sitting in their car, or because they have a nice car. They are less likely to have the police called on them without cause as well.

The number of times police will hold up black people, have them sit on the pavement, search every passenger and try to work out a charge, but let them go when cameras show up is laughable.

I believe there is an effort to get these people into the system and the arrest rates are inflated accordingly.

Evidence of the specific scenarios mentioned? I would imagine that cops discriminate on socio-economics more so than race. Unfortunately, there are no shortage of black neighborhoods that are poor and crime-ridden.