Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 8 - Totally exonerated bigly. (Cont in part 9)

[awaremind]

Please tell me you guys are going to challenge Trump with someone abit better than Creepy Joe. What about Tulsi?

But since she doesn’t want the people of Syria slaughtered by islamists she is a pro Assad traitor dontcha know

 

[Chief]

Trump has had many women accusing him of sexual assault, whereas Biden has been accused of being overly friendly in a non-sexual way. Slight difference there.

Reminds me of an episode of Boss. The young candidate is on video beating up a black man, shouting racist slurs. The old opponent is on video in front of an elevator and a man he doesn't know (but paid by the young candidate's backers) comes up and adjusts his collar.

The first guy gets away with it as "I was young." the second is accused of having an affair with another man and his election campaign is ruined.

Trial by social media and all that.

 

[GuruJane]

I'm all for good, fair and civil writers, but that's not what I've been seeing here lately. Just huge pictures; badly formatted, strange, unreadable posts, and in-jokes. I'm sure there are plenty of other threads where that sort of thing is welcome.

So you don't really want to leave then? Goodo.

btw - fixed the formatting you were complaining about.

Glenn Greenwald, like Matt Tattibi, is a famous name from the Left luvvies would be regarding as heroes of the revolution.

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18...ssia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/

The anti-climactic ending of the Mueller investigation is particularly stunning given how broad Mueller’s investigative scope ended up being, extending far beyond the 2016 election into years worth of Trump’s alleged financial dealings with Russia (and, obviously, Manafort’s with Ukraine and Russia). There can simply be no credible claim that Mueller was, in any meaningful way, impeded by scope, resources or topic limitation from finding anything for which he searched.

Despite efforts today by long-time conspiracist theorists to drastically move goalposts so as to claim vindication, the historical record could not be clearer that Mueller’s central mandate was to determine whether crimes were committed by Trump officials in connection with alleged Russian interference in the election. The first paragraph of the New York Times article from May, 2017, announcing Mueller’s appointment, leaves no doubt about that:

The Justice Department appointed Robert S. Mueller III, a former F.B.I. director, as special counsel on Wednesday to oversee the investigation into ties between President Trump’s campaign and Russian officials, dramatically raising the legal and political stakes in an affair that has threatened to engulf Mr. Trump’s four-month-old presidency.

As recently as one month ago, former CIA Director and current NBC News analyst John Brennan was confidently predicting that Mueller could not possibly close his investigation without first indicting a slew of Americans for criminally conspiring with Russia over the election, and specifically predicted that Trump’s family members would be included among those so charged:

Obviously, none of that happened. Nor were any of the original accusations that launched this three-year-long mania — from an accusatory August, 2016 online commercial from the Clinton campaign — corroborated by the Mueller Report:

Indeed, so many of the most touted media “bombshells” claiming to establish Trump/Russia crimes have been proven false by this report. Despite an extensive discussion of Paul Manafort’s activities, nothing in the Report even hints, let alone states, that he ever visited Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy, let alone visited him three times, including during the 2016 election. How the Guardian could justify still not retracting that false story is mystifying.
Faring even worse is the Buzzfeed bombshell from January claiming that “President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow” and that “Cohen also told the special counsel that after the election, the president personally instructed him to lie — by claiming that negotiations ended months earlier than they actually did — in order to obscure Trump’s involvement.” Mueller himself responded to the story by insisting it was false, and his Report directly contradicts it, as it makes clear that Cohen told Mueller the exact opposite:

Equally debunked is CNN’s major blockbuster by Jim Sciutto, Carl Bernstein, and Marshall Cohen from last July that “Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney, claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower.” The Mueller Report says the exact opposite: that Cohen had no knowledge of Trump’s advanced knowledge.
And the less said about the Steele Dossier, pee-pee tapes, secret meetings in Prague, and indescribably unhinged claims like this one, the better:
But beyond the gutting of these core conspiracy claims is that Mueller’s investigation probed areas far beyond the initial scope of Trump/Russia election-conspiring, and came up empty. Among other things, Mueller specifically examined Trump’s financial dealings with Russia to determine whether that constituted incriminating evidence of corrupt links.

Because Trump’s status as a public figure at the time was attributable in large part to his prior business and entertainment dealings, this Office investigated whether a business contact with Russia-linked individuals and entities during the campaign period—the Trump Tower Moscow project, see Volume I, Section IV.A.1, infra—led to or involved coordination.

Indeed, Mueller’s examination of Trump’s financial dealings with Russia long pre-dates the start of the Trump campaign, going back several years before the election.

Mueller additionally made clear that he received authorization to investigate numerous Americans for ties to Russia despite their not being formally associated with the Trump campaign, including Michael Cohen and Roger Stone. And regarding Cohen, Mueller specifically was authorized to investigate any attempts by Cohen to “receive funds from Russia-backed entities.” None of this deep diving to other individuals or years of alleged financial dealings with Russian resulted in any finding that Trump or any of his associates were controlled by, or corruptly involved with, the Russian government.

Then there is the issue of Manafort’s relationship with the Ukrainians, and specifically his providing of polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, an episode which Trump/Putin conspiracist Marcy Wheeler, along with many others, particularly hyped over and over. To begin with, Mueller said his office “did not identify evidence of a connection” between that act and “Russian interference in the election,” nor did he “establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-inteference efforts”:

Also endlessly hyped by Wheeler and other conspiracists were the post-election contacts between Trump and Russia: as though it’s unusual that a major power would seek to build new, constructive relationships with a newly elected administration. Indeed, Wheeler went so far as to cite these post-election contactsto turn her own source into the FBI on the ground that it constituted smoking gun evidence, an act for which she was praised by the Washington Post (nothing Wheeler claimed about the evidence “related to the Mueller investigation” that she claimed to possess appears to be in the Mueller Report). Here again, the Mueller Report could not substantiate any of these claims:
The centerpiece of the Trump/Russia conspiracy – the Trump Tower meeting – was such a dud that Jared Kushner, halfway through the meeting, texted Manafort to declare the meeting “a waste of time,” and then instructed his assistant to call him so that he could concoct a reason to leave. Not only could Mueller not find any criminality in this meeting relating to election conspiring, but he could not even use election law to claim it was an illegal gift of something of value from a foreigner, because, among other things, the information offered was of so little value that it could not even pass the $2,000 threshold required to charge someone for a misdemeanor, let alone the $25,000 required to make it a felony.

Neither the Trump Tower meeting itself nor its participants – for so long held up as proof of the Trump/Russia conspiracy – could serve as the basis for any finding of criminality. Indeed, the key Trumpworld participants who testified about what happened at that meeting and its aftermath (Trump Jr. and Kushner) were not even accused by Mueller of lying about any of it.

Much, much more at the link. https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18...ssia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/

Edit: I have removed the hard to read italics. - Chief

 

[Maggie5]

Trump has had many women accusing him of sexual assault, whereas Biden has been accused of being overly friendly in a non-sexual way. Slight difference there.

Until we can really compare the lies, immorality, deceit and failed businesses, it will be difficult to compare the two.


Wait until all the dirt is uncovered. I would still have Trump in front in all those categories.

 

[Chief]

On Manafort, and Trump lies:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-would-paul-manafort-share-polling-data-with-russia

On Tuesday, when news broke that Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort had shared internal polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian business associate with ties to Russian intelligence, the through line between the campaign and the Kremlin began to look incontrovertible. The revelation came in an inadvertently unredacted court document, which was filed by Manafort’s lawyers in response to charges made by the special counsel, Robert Mueller, that Manafort had lied to investigators. According to the Times, some—but not all—of the data was already in the public domain. The rest came from the campaign’s own polling operation.
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he was forced to resign when it was revealed that he had failed to disclose his work as a foreign agent on behalf of pro-Russia political forces in Ukraine. Since then, of course, Manafort has been convicted of multiple counts of financial fraud.
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“You know, Paul Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time.” But F.B.I. wiretaps show that Manafort continued his association with Trump long after he resigned.

 

[madmug]

On Manafort, and Trump lies:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-would-paul-manafort-share-polling-data-with-russia

On Tuesday, when news broke that Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort had shared internal polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian business associate with ties to Russian intelligence, the through line between the campaign and the Kremlin began to look incontrovertible. The revelation came in an inadvertently unredacted court document, which was filed by Manafort’s lawyers in response to charges made by the special counsel, Robert Mueller, that Manafort had lied to investigators. According to the Times, some—but not all—of the data was already in the public domain. The rest came from the campaign’s own polling operation.
...
he was forced to resign when it was revealed that he had failed to disclose his work as a foreign agent on behalf of pro-Russia political forces in Ukraine. Since then, of course, Manafort has been convicted of multiple counts of financial fraud.
...
“You know, Paul Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time.” But F.B.I. wiretaps show that Manafort continued his association with Trump long after he resigned.

Trump lies, yet again. The Trumpanzees don't care so its up to the 60% who potentially won't vote Republican to get out & vote next time.

Thats if it gets to a vote in 2 years time. Maybe he'll go down on fraud/ money laundering/embezzlement/tax evasion charges in the mean time.

 

[awaremind]

Trump lies, yet again. The Trumpanzees don't care so its up to the 60% who potentially won't vote Republican to get out & vote next time.

Thats if it gets to a vote in 2 years time. Maybe he'll go down on fraud/ money laundering/embezzlement/tax evasion charges in the mean time.

Those damn subhumans! Give them the final solution already

 

[Seeds]

Those damn subhumans! Give them the final solution already

If they think like subhumans then we will talk about them in that way. Especially given their poor thinking leads them to support authoritarian wannabes who will eventually reduce them to subhumans politically anyway. May as well go straight there.

 

[GuruJane]

Reminds me of an episode of Boss. The young candidate is on video beating up a black man, shouting racist slurs. The old opponent is on video in front of an elevator and a man he doesn't know (but paid by the young candidate's backers) comes up and adjusts his collar.

The first guy gets away with it as "I was young." the second is accused of having an affair with another man and his election campaign is ruined.

Trial by social media and all that.

Please correct if am being irrationally sentimental here, Chief, ("olden days") but some how I just can't see you reacting to the omnipresent videos of Biden feeling up prepube young girls in public with anything short of revulsion?
Why are you ignoring them?

 

[Chief]

Please correct if am being irrationally sentimental here, Chief, ("olden days") but some how I just can't see you reacting to the omnipresent videos of Biden feeling up prepube young girls in public with anything short of revulsion?
Why are you ignoring them?

They look odd from what little I have seen - I don't know what you want said about them?

Do you think they on a par with George Bush Sr? How many has he grabbed by the pussy?

Biden will never be President anyway.

 

[yebiga]

What do you think about the 'obstruction'?


Baaa...

When I think of the word obstruction, Maggie, it is your posts that spring to mind.

However will you manage to occupy yourself once Trump finally departs?

 

[blackcat]

the Steele Dossier, pee-pee tape/

Edit: I have removed the hard to read italics. - Chief

Chief, he of unmatched wisdom keep the italics. And la pussie noir said ^that was BS, for two years now, Taibbi was v late with his volte face, I question his motive to save face. Assume Guy Rundle and David Manne with Chas Licciardello and John Barron from Planet America are still writing crap

Time for mea culpa(s) all-round.

 

[darrenmorgan]

Trumpsanzees trying to discredit Biden on the basis of character is the ultimate lolgame


On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[blackcat]

They look odd from what little I have seen - I don't know what you want said about them?

Do you think they on a par with George Bush Sr? How many has he grabbed by the pussy?

Biden will never be President anyway.

Jane ain't a GOP voter, neither am I, but don't let truth stand in its way brah.

George Herbert Walker Bush had Parkinson's and was senile, it was #MoralSCARE confected by luvvies... but ey, who gives a ferk about truth.

 

[GuruJane]

They look odd from what little I have seen - I don't know what you want said about them?

Not like you to be coy. Doesn't become you. Am sure you know very well what you are looking at with Biden.

 

[Chief]

Chief, he of unmatched wisdom keep the italics. And la pussie noir said ^that was BS, for two years now, Taibbi was v late with his volte face, I question his motive to save face. Assume Guy Rundle and David Manne with Chas Licciardello and John Barron from Planet America are still writing crap

Time for mea culpa(s) all-round.

Why?

Chas and John are good at what they do and use plenty of "looks like" and "might indicate" and "allegedly" language. And when they are shown to be wrong, they freely admit it good naturedly.

The allegations and evidence were investigated. Among other things, it looks like Trump was saved by his underlings from actually doing much crazy with Russians. The connections they have look like Russians jockeying to gain Putin's favour by creating off the record communication channels, or simply trapping Republican party people into a compromising position.

Pretty much done and dusted on the collusion front.

So why are you continuing with it?

Are you caught in the narrative that the only thing that matters is whether the Trump campaign deliberately colluded with Russians in their election meddling?

If not, time to move on don't you think?

 

[Chief]

Jane ain't a GOP voter, neither am I, but don't let truth stand in its way brah.

George Herbert Walker Bush had Parkinson's and was senile, it was #MoralSCARE confected by luvvies... but ey, who gives a ferk about truth.

Yeah. It wuz da parkinsens! But that's fine, whatever. Wheel the gropey old guy into a room with his prime targets. How many blokes did he grab in his addled state? Old women?

How many people did Biden grab by the pussy? How many allegations of sexual harassment does he have under his belt?

 

[blackcat]

Why?

Chas and John are good at what they do and use plenty of "looks like" and "might indicate" and "allegedly" language. And when they are shown to be wrong, they freely admit it good naturedly.

weasel words
#DonWatson
good at what they do - means partisan muck-raking for you

 

[blackcat]

Trying to decipher your convoluted and banal posts is destroying this thread for me. Posting cryptic shit (in italics) that seemingly only you understand in your head does not make you smart nor interesting; it just makes you incredibly tiresome. If you want to make a point or respond, just do so. Otherwise just start a blog so the rest of us can avoid it.

makes you pretty stupid darrenmorgan

 

[GuruJane]

The allegations and evidence were investigated. Among other things, it looks like Trump was saved by his underlings from actually doing much crazy with Russians. The connections they have look like Russians jockeying to gain Putin's favour by creating off the record communication channels, or simply trapping Republican party people into a compromising position.

Pretty much done and dusted on the collusion front.

So why are you continuing with it?

Keeping it alive, Chief. Keeping it alive until the reckoning.

Not too far away either.

 

[blackcat]

Keeping it alive, Chief. Keeping it alive until the reckoning.

Not too far away either.

Chief, he of unmatched wisdom Jane, Chief, he of unmatched wisdom; lower case Chief, he of unmatched wisdom

 

[Werewolf]

Biden says he asked Obama not to endorse him


I wonder if Biden would be the Dem candidate Trump would be most nervous of. Trump holds women in contempt, so he wouldn't care about a female candidate. Bernie's just a Commie, Mayor Pete's gay, inexperienced and a lightweight, but Biden is a senior statesman. Trump can't use the "too handy" argument as he's like that himself. Can't use the "too old" argument, as he's no spring chicken. If Biden does win the Dem race, it'll be an interesting campaign in 2020.

I LOL'd

 

[darrenmorgan]

makes you pretty stupid darrenmorgan

Great response. Now toddle off and let the adults talk, ok?

 

[GuruJane]

Chief, he of unmatched wisdom Jane, Chief, he of unmatched wisdom; lower case Chief, he of unmatched wisdom

Seems a pretty stupid idea to me cat. Why would you expect me to jettison the remaining braincells?

 

[blackcat]

Keeping it alive, Chief. Keeping it alive until the reckoning.

Not too far away either.

Seems a pretty stupid idea to me cat. Why would you expect me to jettison the remaining braincells?

#meds will back me up, it's #Chief, he of unmatched wisdom innit, #meds medusala ?