Well I didn't until you opened you're trap
Take out one - number of AFL premierships can be completely mis-leading in rating a coach or footballer although you would like them to have been part of a generally successful football club.
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Bluemour Discussion Thread XVI - Facts Not Welcome
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Well I didn't until you opened you're trap
Take out one - number of AFL premierships can be completely mis-leading in rating a coach or footballer although you would like them to have been part of a generally successful football club.
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Players move to where the ball is going. Goal posts don't
I don't think having a premiership medallion automatically makes you a better player than someone who doesn't.
As a coach or mentor being involved in a group that achieved ultimate success though, gives you insight into the mentality and professionalism required to become a winning team.
As a coach or mentor being involved in a group that achieved ultimate success though, gives you insight into the mentality and professionalism required to become a winning team.
Casboult at best is a spare parts player who should play 7 to 10 games a year. Think Mario Bortolotto, Scott Howell, Warren Mckenzie
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Since around 2000 our supporting coaches have been fairly mediocre credential wise. Perhaps we struggle to attract coaches, perhaps our previous history where we are probably seen as a coach killing and coach sacking club makes us an unappealing place for coaches to come if they are wanted.
Lloyd has a fairly big and difficult job ahead of him when it comes to filling the positions with really good people.
I would be going hard at Luke Hodge for midfield coach. He was basically an onfield coach at Hawthorn and has done good things for the Lions. We tried for Mitchell I believe and he went to Hawthorn so there is probably a position vacant in regards to coaching our rather weak and poorly function midfield.
I think there is a specialist position for a tall forwards coach. Lots of advice and criticism from former tall guns in Jonathan Brown and Nick Riewoldt who clearly know what they are talking about. Why not throw some money their way and turn their comments into direction and employ someone like that in either a part time role or full time role. We have a few tall forwards on our list with loads of talent, we need to have someone focuses on developing and educating their game. You have ruck coaches and kicking coaches etc so why not a talls coach?
The main aspect is employing good people to tackle areas where we need help, midfield and tall forward setup.
I would be chasing Brad Scott for an analysis/assistant coach role.
For those curious jump onto our website and have a look at our coaching panel and compare it to Collingwood and Hawthorn. In comparison we are badly understaffed. I haven't looked at other clubs but compared to these two, they have more people and more roles.
We're behind in our coaching department. It's not that we need to replace people, we need to create roles and add people.
We need to be looking at older players who are coming into retirement this season. Roughead, Hodge, Burgoyne, Jarrad McVeigh.
There are so many beneficial roles we can create. Line coaches for the VFL. Tall forward coach. Opposition analyst. Change some roles. Put Barker into an opposition analyst role, get someone in as a stoppage coach this season who has experience there, Hodge would be perfect, he spent a lot of his career at Hawthorn managing the stoppages on field.
We need to increase the profile of our people create new specialist roles and catch up with the better teams a bit with out coaching team, without doubt. Add people, shuffle people around.
Maybe perhaps our club would look more appealing for player to go to if the coaching staff looked more impressive.
When the truth comes out he will be in a better place......
Just won’t be at Carlton!
Magruder
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I always thought he was a ruckman
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Tackling coach is a high priority. We cannot stop the player and ball at the same time and it hurts on the scoreboard
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All Premiership players. Let's hope Cas joins that group.
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You cant play all of SPS/Fisher/Dow/Walsh as yoru core on ball brigade and expect them not to get smashed by bigger bodied better drilled midfield. Whoever is in charge of midfield skilss/structure and basics at Carlton =- is the worng person(s). I've never seen SPS/Fisher/Dow able to off load cleanly when tackled - ever. I've seen all of them shrugged off like the short people they are - week in week out.
Stacking some paper thing 'zone defense' with bodies that get run over and ragdolled is a joke - I'm sick of watching it tbh - stopped watching it live weeks ago.
I'm actually starting to lose patience with Bolton and his whole crew of pretend coaches.
Yep, that's the other one.
We just seem to always be behind the competition, last club to get a list manager etc etc etc.
Get a guy for everything, cover all aspects, makes no sense to have a persone to cover one area but not the other.
I know we are improving. It's scary to think we didn't have a high performance person last season, we didn't have a list manager until a few years ago and we we're short on in the recruiting department. We definitely need a strength and conditioning person if we don't have someone to develop the bodies of these young guys.
Imagine the turnaround of this club if we filled all these roles. Get Brad Scott in as opposition analysis, Luke Hodge as midfield coach, Nick Riewoldt as tall forward coach, get a guy with a rugby league background, someone like Cam Smith in if he ever retires as tackling coach and leadership program like saints did with Slater. Get in a couple of mature age mids who can average high 20's and bring some grunt and run to the side and things would seriously turn with our side.
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So what you're saying is... The club needs a rebuild :')
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I just hope the club isn't that silly to go after Hird. They would lose so many supporters it would make their heads spin.
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Needed a double red card that one.
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Thank **** for that.
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Who is on game day.
Off field.
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Does it mean it’s a good strategy? It might be fine, maybe in 5 years if they haven’t won anything, there might be questions.
I just think there needs to be guys there, that the players look up to and aspire to be like/emulate. Not all of them need to have this but I think it helps.
I don’t think there’s a problem with a senior coach having not played at the highest level but I’d like a few more people on the team who have achieved big awards or premierships.
Do you have any thoughts on it? Is there any correlation with the last 5 premiers and the amount of premiership players, Brownlow medalists, all Australians they have in their panel.
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I’m sure both are, but do coaches who have won multiple AFL premierships (as players), been All Australian or have been coached by AFL greats have a greater skill set or the ability to motivate players than those who don’t? Do players listen more to coaches who have played at the highest level, is it important to have these types in the group?
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I think it is important. Not from a tactical perspective because let’s be honest how many players would’ve made AFL if they were born at average height and athleticism but a couple of very successful players would be advantageous in the group. People who have been there and done that
Yes a good depth player now and the way he's going about it this year may well be around another couple of years to haunt the haters .
Cam bruce also won a b&f and along with dale Amos (and Bolton) were part of premierships at hawthorn and Geelong respectively, granted not as players nonetheless still afl premiership experience.
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For me one is not better than the other, of course some young kids/players might see or respond differently to more credentialed coaches, but that is more an individual perspective. Coaching is now more about man management for a senior coach, but perhaps assistants may have greater clout in that coaching department, of how players respond
If you rate success, purely on premierships (only 13 coaches have won the last 19 flags), then some very talented, well credentialed ex players have achieved little. Buy in/cohesion/continuity are now seen as the main factors for team success
Overall, the number one aspect is still talent identification/list management. If that fails, all coaches would struggle to extract desired results, we are a great case study of that as well
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I doubt it.
At the moment the club is fully focused on sticking to the course with Bolton in charge. Scott's departure from north hasn't sent a ripple through the club right now. As Juddy mentioned on FC if we put up consistently poor performances, things will take motion.
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Glad to hear that a coach getting sacked/let go at another club no longer makes us jump at shadows.
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