List Mgmt. 2019 Draft/Trade/FA Thread - Final Wrap

[Sun Stormer]

If you get the right player in the trade then why not? He's one of our better players atm but when fit he's fringe. He's 26 and not consistent.. he doesn't tackle with the ferocity of holman, dmac, scheer, even miller if and when he gets moved into a negating role. He doesn't have the class of ah chee, martin, powel. His best is very good and I'd be more than happy to honour his contract but I wouldn't lock him in to the must keep pile. Just my opinion

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Right now very few players shouldn't be considered as potential trade bait. People are finally recognising the state of the list and we need to explore all options. I will take a player with A class ability and guts over a player who expresses team loyalty but is no better than a good State League player - and we have plenty of those. Jonathan Brown is saying what has needed to be said - we need to be given NT as an expanded zone, a larger salary cap to attract A listers, extended draft terms for rookies (across the league) and more. I'm happy to give Stewie his 3rd year but want to see some improvement at least - otherwise I'd be offering huge money to Hodge plus a mentor like Matthews or Roos to take control. Players would then want to head north to play under that sort of system and the results will follow. The AFL must remedy the horrific mistakes they made early on and be seen to be doing something before the end of the year.

 

[Ben Drever]

Maybe this is Dews card.
To get the Suns COLA

Look how Sydney got in there players in Buddy and Tippett etc and held onto all there stars.

Then promise Zac Jones a extra 500k a season compared to the Swans

 

[Iva Bigun]

Jarrod Lyons is carving up the comp in the 3rd best team in the league, maybe we can offer him a massive contract

That **** up is on Dew and his arrogance

 

[Ben Drever]

Jarrod Lyons is carving up the comp in the 3rd best team in the league, maybe we can offer him a massive contract

That fu** up is on Dew and his arrogance

If Brisbane can get Lachie Neal last year

*dreams a little*
Maybe Stuey Dew has got Zac Jones lined up for 2019 trade period ?

 

[ghostdog]

What do you folks make of Carey's suggestion of trading out priority picks (presuming they're given) for established players?

 

[Ben Drever]

What do you folks make of Carey's suggestion of trading out priority picks (presuming they're given) for established players?

If you can get Fyfe to want to come to this basket case.
Done deal

Mitch brown along with Zac Clark don’t add up to a priority pick..
If you know what I mean

 

[ghostdog]

If you can get Fyfe to want to come to this basket case.
Done deal

Mitch brown along with Zac Clark don’t add up to a priority pick..
If you know what I mean

No I'm talking about his premise, about going after experience rather than youth.

 

[Iva Bigun]

No I'm talking about his premise, about going after experience rather than youth.

It’s a great idea if you can get A graders to come but as Ben Drever said if you have to give up pick 2 for a couple of B graders then the pick is devalued

We need picks, cap assistance and mature players

 

[Ben Drever]

Tom Browne reporting
SPP maybe up for trade from Port.
Is a bulldozer.
Would definitely help Swallow out.
Not sure the Suns could have Swallow Miles and SPP in the same midfield though?

 

[Coops93]

What do you folks make of Carey's suggestion of trading out priority picks (presuming they're given) for established players?

Or the discussion before that, trade the youth now for a couple of established players.

i.e. Lukosius to the Crows for a Crouch and Cam Ellis-Yoleman and maybe one other (Riley Knight?), King to a team in Vic for something similar, then continue trading the draft picks as well. (fwiw I really like King, I'd be disappointed to trade him, but just as an idea..)

I get the concept, otherwise you can get caught in what they called "the doom cycle"; if they trade Jack Martin for draft picks and put 2 years into them then they ask for a trade, rinse and repeat. You get nowhere.

This way you trade for established AFL players and they're perhaps more likely to stay than a couple kids.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Or the discussion before that, trade the youth now for a couple of established players.

i.e. Lukosius to the Crows for a Crouch and Cam Ellis-Yoleman and maybe one other (Riley Knight?), King to a team in Vic for something similar, then continue trading the draft picks as well. (fwiw I really like King, I'd be disappointed to trade him, but just as an idea..)

I get the concept, otherwise you can get caught in what they called "the doom cycle"; if they trade Jack Martin for draft picks and put 2 years into them then they ask for a trade, rinse and repeat. You get nowhere.

This way you trade for established AFL players and they're perhaps more likely to stay than a couple kids.

Sounds like you are picking over our bones

Translation “ give us your high upside young guns and we will give you some magic beans”

It’s like us saying give us Walsh just in case he doesn’t like Carlton and we will give you Miller and Hanley

 

[Coops93]

Sounds like you are picking over our bones

Translation “ give us your high upside young guns and will will give you some magic beans”

Like I said on the last page, I'm a foundation member who goes to every game at Metricon. I'm not picking any bones and the last thing I want is the Suns to get screwed over.

If the Suns can get Matt Crouch, Cam Ellis-Yoleman and Riley Knight for Lukosius surely they have to look at that. You've got an AA level player, B grader and a role player for JL. Crouch and Cam are both starting 22 players and Knight can go in and out of the Crows, but would probably be a top 22 Suns player. That's a reasonable haul and isn't what I would call "magic beans".

I don't think the Crows would give up either Crouch (I think them being together is what's keeping them in Adelaide and not moving back to Melb, so they're kind of a package deal for them) but a scenario like that would probably do more for the Suns than what JL would.

 

[Coops93]

It’s like us saying give us Walsh just in case he doesn’t like Carlton and we will give you Miller and Hanley

It's nothing like that at all, you've completely missed the point of what I'm saying. It'd be more like Trading Walsh for an AA level player, a starting 22 player and maybe another role player who's on the fringes. Not a solid-contributor-but-not-quite-a-star and an average player like you think I'm suggesting.

 

[GcSunsfan]

Tom Browne reporting
SPP maybe up for trade from Port.
Is a bulldozer.
Would definitely help Swallow out.
Not sure the Suns could have Swallow Miles and SPP in the same midfield though?

If the suns were looked at bringing SPP in with all the baggage that comes with him they might as well bring Bennell back as well

 

[Coops93]

PS sorry for the waffling posts, I'm just trying to drive home the point that I'm not a vulture looks to pick the Suns apart, I am really invested in this club.

 

[Coops93]

If the suns were looked at bringing SPP in with all the baggage that comes with him they might as well bring Bennell back as well

What's his supposed baggage? I've not heard this before

 

[ghostdog]

It’s a great idea if you can get A graders to come but as Ben Drever said if you have to give up pick 2 for a couple of B graders then the pick is devalued

We need picks, cap assistance and mature players

With respect, a player like Luko hasn't really put together a body of work at AFL level that seems equitable to an A grader.

When McGowan foolishly lied about Fantasia a couple of weeks ago, my thoughts turned to Conor Rozee as a player whose upside is equitable, but Rozee has proven already that he can play at the top level. You've got people talking about SPP, who looks like his ceiling has been demonstrated, is a definite C grader at best and whose off-field behaviours point to someone who won't help your culture or your youngsters.

If you can pick up two solid B graders from clubs with an excellent culture of preparation and professionalism, and hold on to a couple of quality young players, it should help to position your group well to improve. You could do worse than offering Kade Simpson a year simply for the professionalism and leadership he brings.

FWIW, I'm interested in Wright or King. To trade from our list I'd be looking at Zaharakis, Myers or Hurley, but as was wisely pointed out to me, if they don't want to go you shouldn't force them.

Hope I haven't overstepped the mark. I would also like to see GCFC succeed (I'm originally from that part of the world)

 

[GcSunsfan]

What's his supposed baggage? I've not heard this before

Put his name in your google machine and pick one of many articles detailing his many off field incidents

 

[briztoon]

If the suns were looked at bringing SPP in with all the baggage that comes with him they might as well bring Bennell back as well

Yup, I was going to post the same thing when I first read some one mention SPP to GC earlier.

I literally lol'ed.

What's his supposed baggage? I've not heard this before

Two things with SPP.

He's an absolute butcherer of the ball. Yes, he's big hard nut who can win the ball, but he's a shocking kick. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he's the leading player with goals scored off his turnovers in the comp.

Secondly he's a genuine flog off the field. He likes to party, and has a penchant for getting in fights in the club. SPP on the Gold Coast would be a train wreck within 3 days.

 

[Iva Bigun]

PS sorry for the waffling posts, I'm just trying to drive home the point that I'm not a vulture looks to pick the Suns apart, I am really invested in this club.

Sorry if I made you feel that way I’m just tired of the ongoing drama in this club for the past 10 years

I think we can pick up some quality big bodied players without selling our youth if the AFL gives us some cap relief

 

[briztoon]

I think we can pick up some quality big bodied players without selling our youth if the AFL gives us some cap relief

Who?

Unless there’s a few players out there looking for a pay day, I’m not sure you’ll attract many better than last years trade ins.

 

[Crow till I die]

Who?

Unless there’s a few players out there looking for a pay day, I’m not sure you’ll attract many better than last years trade ins.

just cruising the boards. I would have thought for a free agency compo type arrangement the AFL could cover the costs of relocating 4 or 5 players to GC both in terms of salary cap relief to bring in those players and for the clubs losing them. I would have no problems seeing for example Hugh Greenwood go there for the greater good and if GC could bring in other guys of that calibre at no real financial cost or draft cost, it could really help solve some immediate on field issues. I would also suggest the AFL could structure a deal with someone like Roughead (or an equivalent type player providing they have 1-2 years left) in the hodge type on field role to mentor the younger players. You would be amazed by adding 4 or 5 quality experienced players into the team combined with a mentoring role player like a hodge what a difference it would make on field. GC were not that far off it for long periods of this season - just a few blow out games more recently and likely due to a lengthening injury list but other games were very close and with the extra quality and experience, another 2 or 3 wins could easily have happened and much less doom and gloom would be hanging over the club

 

[Choppers]

Who?

Unless there’s a few players out there looking for a pay day, I’m not sure you’ll attract many better than last years trade ins.

With 3 wins in 2016, and 5 in 2017,18, why did Hodge Neale Adams Cameron Mccarthy want to go to Brisbane with that record. They must have seen something in the list, the coach, the facilities to want to go to a Club with 13 wins out of 66 in those 3 years. And they had wonderful foresight as it turns out so far.
Why can't The Suns do the same......

 

[TheSunGod]

With 3 wins in 2016, and 5 in 2017,18, why did Hodge Neale Adams Cameron Mccarthy want to go to Brisbane with that record. They must have seen something in the list, the coach, the facilities to want to go to a Club with 13 wins out of 66 in those 3 years. And they had wonderful foresight as it turns out so far.
Why can't The Suns do the same......

Different reasons. Hodge wants to transition into coaching but still thought correctly he had some good footy left in him. Good mates with Fagan too. Neale wanted to escape the footy bubble of Perth, The Lions we’re on the up at the time and Freo on the slide. McCarthy was on the outer at Geelong due to injuries and saw hope at the Lions. Plus both Neale and McCarthy are best mates so the opportunity to play together was attractive. The Lions through good luck and improved management have benefited big time. Odds of a club picking up three guns like that over a two year period on the cheap would normally be very slim. Risky but it is paying off at the moment.

 

[Choppers]

Different reasons. Hodge wants to transition into coaching but still thought correctly he had some good footy left in him. Good mates with Fagan too. Neale wanted to escape the footy bubble of Perth, The Lions we’re on the up at the time and Freo on the slide. McCarthy was on the outer at Geelong due to injuries and saw hope at the Lions. Plus both Neale and McCarthy are best mates so the opportunity to play together was attractive. The Lions through good luck and improved management have benefited big time. Odds of a club picking up three guns like that over a two year period on the cheap would normally be very slim. Risky but it is paying off at the moment.

Agree to all that.....my point is/was that Brisbane at the time wasn't a "destination" club so to speak, but for various reasons, as you mentioned, those players chose to move there. I missed Christensen in that too but I think he was bit earlier.
So why is it beyond the realms of possibilities that we can't do similar....Weller is good mates with Langdon and Blakely I believe, Greenwood is testing the waters, Zaharakis may like a move. There's talk of approaching Roughy/Lewis in a playing/mentoring type of role with future employment in coaching and list management the carrots to help achieve that.

it was this quote by Briztoon that was the catalyst for my post......"I’m not sure you’ll attract many better than last years trade ins".