Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion II

[BeligerentBlue]

The replay of Hawks vs Port in rd 10 and Lions in rd 11 were his best games stats wise for anyone interested.

Going off his highlights package on YouTube he is the greatest tap ruckman that ever lived

 

[Doro]

Going off his highlights package on YouTube he is the greatest tap ruckman that ever lived

Better than Zac Clarke? Not possible.

 

[FRUMPY]

Why wouldn't it be serious?

Both the club and management have denied they have ever entertained a trade to Carlton and both say, with just 2 days to go until the trade period ends, the Blues still neck deep in other trades and likely to have just a future first round pick to work with, that Wines is going to continue to Co-Captain Port in 2020.

So unless Port and Wines management are completely out of the loop, prepared to look f00lish by completely reversing their strident position within 24 hours or the rumour is not true.

I am confident it's the latter.

If he was to say he wants to come it would cost us more than what we have to give. Hence the reason carlton turned the idea away.

 

[FRUMPY]

Looks like we're getting a fab four with Pittonet, Papley, Betts and Martin

Well done SOS.

Not sure it will change us all that much:

1. Pittonet - doesn't play if Kreuzer is fit
2. Betts - Will kick 20-30 goals but if we don't recruit a small fwd for him to mentor then a wasted opportunity
3. Martin - upside is massive but could be a bust quite easily
4. Papley - good get

 

[FRUMPY]

Going off his highlights package on YouTube he is the greatest tap ruckman that ever lived

Haha you'd have to be a pretty shit footballer for your highlights not to get people excited.

 

[Shambolic]

Not sure it will change us all that much:

1. Pittonet - doesn't play if Kreuzer is fit
2. Betts - Will kick 20-30 goals but if we don't recruit a small fwd for him to mentor then a wasted opportunity
3. Martin - upside is massive but could be a bust quite easily
4. Papley - good get

#3. I really don't think so. he's played some cracking games for the Suns and has skill, agility and hardness, he's just been surrounded by not much. Martin is 100+ games of quality and I'm super excited he'll join.

#1. Phillips is a good VFL ruckman who is woeful once the ball is out of his 5m arc - very slow to run and gets caught out by opposition. Good backup though. Was not going to be on the list in 2021 so he's an easy loss. If Pittonet is back up for 3-4 years then by definition we are better off.

#4 - Gun

 

[El Topo]

Haha you'd have to be a pretty shit footballer for your highlights not to get people excited.

The centrepiece of the Kane Lucas highlight reel was a handball to advantage. Not even joking.

 

[The Bighouse]

Not sure it will change us all that much:

1. Pittonet - doesn't play if Kreuzer is fit
2. Betts - Will kick 20-30 goals but if we don't recruit a small fwd for him to mentor then a wasted opportunity
3. Martin - upside is massive but could be a bust quite easily
4. Papley - good get

1. Backup
2. Owies is already on our list but a draftee may help. Could also be a factor in next year’s trade period e.g. someone like Stengle
3. Time to shine
4. Agreed

 

[teknodeejay]

The centrepiece of the Kane Lucas highlight reel was a handball to advantage. Not even joking.

even Fas in a handful of games had more highlights than no-tackles Lucas in several seasons

 

[Macca43]

If he was to say he wants to come it would cost us more than what we have to give. Hence the reason carlton turned the idea away.

Exactly, so why are people still claiming the trade is on?

It is also worth noting that Carlton, Port and Wines management have now denied the story is true.

 

[Macca43]

Not sure it will change us all that much:

1. Pittonet - doesn't play if Kreuzer is fit
2. Betts - Will kick 20-30 goals but if we don't recruit a small fwd for him to mentor then a wasted opportunity
3. Martin - upside is massive but could be a bust quite easily
4. Papley - good get

Ast year Lang played 8 games for 5 goals, Polson played 3 for 1, Fasolo played 3 for 2, Garlett 2 for 0, Deluca 6 for 4, Kennedy 10 for 11 & Gibbons 21 for 16 so that is 52 games for 39 goals. I am tipping we get closer to 100 out of Martin, Papley & Betts.

 

[FRUMPY]

Exactly, so why are people still claiming the trade is on?

It is also worth noting that Carlton, Port and Wines management have now denied the story is true.

Carlton have denied that Port or Wines manager made contact, Port has denied Wines has asked for a trade and Wines management has denied they made contact with Carlton. Clubs choose their words carefully. I have no doubt someone called Carlton out of the blue on Wines behalf to see if they would make a trade.

 

[FRUMPY]

Ast year Lang played 8 games for 5 goals, Polson played 3 for 1, Fasolo played 3 for 2, Garlett 2 for 0, Deluca 6 for 4, Kennedy 10 for 11 & Gibbons 21 for 16 so that is 52 games for 39 goals. I am tipping we get closer to 100 out of Martin, Papley & Betts.

- Betts is a 2 year max player so wont be around for when we are going for a flag - they better recruit a small fwd for him to mentor
- Martin as I said has potential to be a good pickup but just as much to be a bust
- Papley good pickup

 

[Stamos]

- Betts is a 2 year max player so wont be around for when we are going for a flag

Ummm...

 

[bigbertha5]

Hopefully Eddie can teach Matthew Owies a few tricks. I feel he has the potential to be a very good small forward at AFL level.

 

[Macca43]

Carlton have denied that Port or Wines manager made contact, Port has denied Wines has asked for a trade and Wines management has denied they made contact with Carlton. Clubs choose their words carefully. I have no doubt someone called Carlton out of the blue on Wines behalf to see if they would make a trade.

You are right they choose their words very carefully;
Port Adelaide;
“Port Adelaide is aware of recent media speculation relating to Ollie Wines’ future at the club.

“As a principle, the club is generally reluctant to respond to rumours involving its players throughout the AFL trade period.

“However, in this instance, given Ollie is the current co-captain of the club, Port Adelaide believes it is important to confirm that at no stage has Ollie requested a trade from our club.

“Equally, at no stage has Port Adelaide contemplated trading Ollie to any other club and he remains a required player.”

His manager

“These reports are completely untrue, Ollie is very happy at Port Adelaide, where he is captain and contracted for another three seasons.

“He certainly did not ask me to investigate the possibility of a trade and nor did I scope one out on his behalf.”

Both are incredibly definitive.

Even if the reports were true, and at some stage some random contacted the blues, the simple fact we don't have enough trade capital to secure a club captain with 3 years left to run on his contract (especially not with less than 2 days to go) to actually make the trade happen. So if Port haven't contemplated trading him, we don't have the capital to trade, Wines is very happy at Port and neither the club or Wines management has contacted the blues surely we can call this rumour dead.

 

[FRUMPY]

You are right they choose their words very carefully;
Port Adelaide;
“Port Adelaide is aware of recent media speculation relating to Ollie Wines’ future at the club.

“As a principle, the club is generally reluctant to respond to rumours involving its players throughout the AFL trade period.

“However, in this instance, given Ollie is the current co-captain of the club, Port Adelaide believes it is important to confirm that at no stage has Ollie requested a trade from our club.

“Equally, at no stage has Port Adelaide contemplated trading Ollie to any other club and he remains a required player.”

His manager

“These reports are completely untrue, Ollie is very happy at Port Adelaide, where he is captain and contracted for another three seasons.

“He certainly did not ask me to investigate the possibility of a trade and nor did I scope one out on his behalf.”

Both are incredibly definitive.

Even if the reports were true, and at some stage some random contacted the blues, the simple fact we don't have enough trade capital to secure a club captain with 3 years left to run on his contract (especially not with less than 2 days to go) to actually make the trade happen. So if Port haven't contemplated trading him, we don't have the capital to trade, Wines is very happy at Port and neither the club or Wines management has contacted the blues surely we can call this rumour dead.

It is a dead rumour that he is a chance of coming to Carlton - we hit it on the head. The story is a club captain has in a round-about-way made contact to make a move to another club. That's a big story

 

[Stamos]

Wines is very happy at Port and neither the club or Wines management has contacted the blues surely we can call this rumour dead.

Are you seriously taking that press release to be more truthful than the multiple posters on here who get good information and say that it happened (including before it hit the press)?

 

[Macca43]

Are you seriously taking that press release to be more truthful than the multiple posters on here who get good information and say that it happened (including before it hit the press)?

I am saying that even if Wines approached us (strangely through a source that wasn't his manager), the ITK posters made it clear over a week ago we turned him down, both clubs and Wines manager have now stated the reports were untrue so clearly it would be impossible to do an about face in 24 hours and we simply don't have the capital or in fact the time to make a deal happen so it is clearly not happening now so the multiple people still posting we are a chance of getting Wines should move on.

If you looked at my whole post instead of just 1 line that would be clear.

 

[Macca43]

It is a dead rumour that he is a chance of coming to Carlton - we hit it on the head. The story is a club captain has in a round-about-way made contact to make a move to another club. That's a big story

Not according to multiple posters on the no discussion thread.

 

[FRUMPY]

I am saying that even if Wines approached us (strangely through a source that wasn't his manager), the ITK posters made it clear over a week ago we turned him down, both clubs and Wines manager have now stated the reports were untrue so clearly it would be impossible to do an about face in 24 hours and we simply don't have the capital or in fact the time to make a deal happen so it is clearly not happening now so the multiple people still posting we are a chance of getting Wines should move on.

Let the nuffies have their fun

 

[FRUMPY]

Not according to multiple posters on the no discussion thread.

People like to talk about stuff, doesn't stop you posting on hear about them

 

[Stamos]

I am saying that even if Wines approached us (strangely through a source that wasn't his manager), the ITK posters made it clear over a week ago we turned him down, both clubs and Wines manager have now stated the reports were untrue so clearly it would be impossible to do an about face in 24 hours and we simply don't have the capital or in fact the time to make a deal happen so it is clearly not happening now so the multiple people still posting we are a chance of getting Wines should move on.

There's plenty of time.
It won't happen due to the lack of currency (and perhaps fit), but that's a different thing. If Papley falls through, we would have the currency, and at least the potential, to do the deal.

 

[Macca43]

There's plenty of time.
It won't happen due to the lack of currency (and perhaps fit), but that's a different thing. If Papley falls through, we would have the currency, and at least the potential, to do the deal.

Again focusing on part, not the whole, time & currency are 2 factors - the others are definitive statements from all 3 parties involved that are incredibly hard to back away from and maintain credibility. On top of which we need the Papley deal to fall through which the same ITK posters are saying is unlikely and even if it did won't happen until late.

 

[Stamos]

Again focusing on part, not the whole, time & currency are 2 factors - the others are definitive statements from all 3 parties involved that are incredibly hard to back away from and maintain credibility. On top of which we need the Papley deal to fall through which the same ITK posters are saying is unlikely and even if it did won't happen until late.

You seem to be arguing 2 different things. I seriously doubt we will get wines this year. So leave that alone.

But you're not taking those press releases at face value, surely?