Bluemour Melting Pot XXI - Like seriously, the polar ice caps have got nothing on us

[FRUMPY]

Definitely a major contingent on our board when something doesn't go Carlton's way

 

[zeggie]

Ill take your word for it, it doesn't matter anyway, they wont draft him

They might. Huge, huge risk for them if they do.

We've done everything we could possibly do as a club if that occurs.

I think they'll steer clear. They had enough problems this season.

 

[Stamos]

Cochrane is using a proven management tactic. Make the other guy think you’re crazy enough to do anything

How long are the AFL going to want a crazy person being in charge of their baby?

 

[Jeremias]

Cochrane is using a proven management tactic. Make the other guy think you’re crazy enough to do anything

I'm not sure anyone in the industry is silly enough to actually believe him.

 

[Coops93]

In this case it would be tampering with the draft by artificially altering the draft pool

That makes sense. I don't think the AFL would penalise either team in this instance, though.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

The apology was from the AFL - not quite Gil but close. Ultimately it means we get Martin for free and keep our picks, but as a reasonable & fair trading partner, it wasn’t our preference. We are always happy to pay a fair price.

They argued a future 2nd and 3rd were useless to them given the concessions they’d received, not bothering to consider that they could be packaged to move up. Truly bizarre behaviour.

This is a ****ing shambles.

 

[BluesRule]

Still a bit surprised that we had no plan to fall back on particularly after all the hints we were getting from ITK's about a mystery player but there doesn't (at least from the outside) seem that there was a lot of gettable options to replace Papley.

I'm still really disappointed that we de-listed Daisy, can never understand why we went so early on that and I'd love to see him rookied but that's a pipe dream as I reckon that is just too much humble pie for us to eat. Seems we may still be a little short in senior players who really were the main catalyst for our second half of the season.

Just my two bobs worth.

Think the mystery player was Wines. Hopefully we can get him in next year.

Daisy finished on a high, but is not going to help us improve IMHO. Looks old, slowing down, less agility and spring, etc. Time to find better not just for 2020 but for 2021+ Newnes, Sam Gray, Holman, etc. have more upside over those future years and potentially could come free...

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

1.
Melbourne draft him. He can refuse to sign a contract. They have to pay him whilst arbitration handles it.

2.
Melbourne draft him. He refuses to play. They have to pay him that year before trading or delisting or arbitration.

Martin has options. None are ideal or nice. But he has them. Risk is all on Melbourne.

2 won’t happen because 1 will sort it out. The AFL won’t agree on a contract where a player doesn’t have to play that’s just ridiculous.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Why would someone at Melbourne know Ollie's plans a year from now?

People in the industry talk to each other, simple as that.

I certainly wouldn't take it as any more than industry scuttlebutt that Carlton are a good chance of getting him. Probably based on the family connection, our desire for a mature mid, the fact that there was a conversation about him in some capacity this off-season. That plus chinese whispers = Wines will be at Carlton. More likely it's "Looks like Wines will be looking at a possible move, and Carlton would probably be willing and able to pull a trade off".

 

[Stamos]

That makes sense. I don't think the AFL would penalise either team in this instance, though.

No matter how nefarious the AFL is behind the scenes, I think even they draw the line at draft tampering.
They're much more likely to tell either the Gold Coast to delist him, or he goes to the PSD and they tell both the Gold coast and Melbourne not to pick him.

 

[Blue__Balls]

If this is true and it most likely is because we know how it works, it's a terrible look for the AFL as an organisation.

i.e. No one can really do their job because when it comes down to it, the AFL holds all the cards and if one doesn't do what the AFL tell them to do, then there will be repercussions but if you're a good little boy, then more 'favours' will come your way.

It's getting hard to take this whole thing seriously and someone/somehow has to put a spotlight on the blatant corrupt organisation that has hs now taken hold of what we called 'Our great sport' but maybe it's too late for that now, as once you've exposed yourself to crime it becomes the standard. Can't turn back.

Not AFL in this instance Harks - has been implied that it was Cochrane looking to send a message.

 

[blue healer]

They might. Huge, huge risk for them if they do.

We've done everything we could possibly do as a club if that occurs.

I think they'll steer clear. They had enough problems this season.

They certainly should steer clear. After this debacle it would be reprehensible for them to re-draft him. Sends a horrible message to every player on their list, not to mention the mental impact on Martin who has given them 6 years of service.

 

[slowhand clape]

I'm not sure anyone in the industry is silly enough to actually believe him.

Nobody does but it’s better to look crazy than come out yesterday and say “No, we won’t take him in the PSD. Carlton can have him for free.”
He’d come across as the vanquished. Better to look crazy than weak.

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

Holy ****, this is the Montreal Screw Job all over again.

 

[ferrisb]

I was on BF what felt like 24/7 over trade period
Then I was on BF all day yesterday to soak in all the fallout
What am I doing here today?

 

[zeggie]

I was on BF what felt like 24/7 over trade period
Then I was on BF all day yesterday to soak in all the fallout
What am I doing here today?

Today we talk DFA.

Bennell is priority 1. Let's make it happen.

edit: please note this post is 100% sarcasm.

 

[Sector 7G]

AFL could potentially ban us from trading like they did when the Swans followed AFL rules but upset the AFL's plans for Buddy.

They do make it up as they go.

 

[Blue__Balls]

1.
Melbourne draft him. He can refuse to sign a contract. They have to pay him whilst arbitration handles it.

2.
Melbourne draft him. He refuses to play. They have to pay him that year before trading or delisting or arbitration.

Martin has options. None are ideal or nice. But he has them. Risk is all on Melbourne.

Think the way the nomination regs are worded is that in nominating for the PSD, the player is agreeing to play at whichever club picks them. Don't think there'd be much hope for him taking legal action against Melbourne for picking him. Maybe he refuses to sign a physical contract, but if that's the case I don't see why Melbourne would have to pay him.

He could, of course, just roll with the "mental health" leave of absence and there is sweet FA anyone could do about it. Too big a bear for journos to poke.

 

[Percy2257]

According to today’s article in TheAge, Suns intend to re-draft Martin in the PSD even if he puts a high $ value on his head. They say they are willing to shuffle payments with other players to stay under the cap.

I’m not sure how realistic this is for Suns to do and what scope they have with their Salary cap situation. But they are certainly playing hard ball all the way and Melbourne are apparently intending to swoop too in PSD (not sure if they could afford though).

Wonder how high the $ value would have to be to block Suns and Demons?

The AFL has to get involved. Forget about us fir the moment that redneck Cochrane can’t force a 24 year old uncontracted player to play for a club that he doesn’t want to play for and which he thinks, whether or rightly, has not allowed him to reach his full potential. At the very least Martin’s management should brief a barrister with expertise in restrictive trade practices to give an opinion About his prospects of having the relevant AFL rules declared invalid as an unreasonable, and therefore illegal, restraint on his trading rights.

 

[blue healer]

Think the mystery player was Wines. Hopefully we can get him in next year.

Daisy finished on a high, but is not going to help us improve IMHO. Looks old, slowing down, less agility and spring, etc. Time to find better not just for 2020 but for 2021+ Newnes, Sam Gray, Holman, etc. have more upside over those future years and potentially could come free...

Not going to get into a long involved discussion about Daisy but I didn't see any indication that he was looking old or slowing down and BTW what does that say about Eddie who is older?

I'm a big fan of the old adage that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and who was the last DFA we picked up that was worth a damn other than Wright and that was under very different circumstances than ours at present?

 

[Matty411]

WOW. Just wow here. This article implies that we're not the only ones pissed off by the Suns action. Also reiterates the fact that Cameron (List Mgr) at the Suns would've dealt (on Jack) but Cochrane overruled him. His comments are disgraceful and could start a war of sorts.

Zero chance we deal with them now on Jack - and possible ever again.

Frustrated rivals raise 'totally irrational' Gold Coast move with AFL bosses

Rival clubs are frustrated with Gold Coast and the AFL after the uncontracted Jack Martin was left in limbo at the end of the trade period.

7news.com.au

 

[pressurepoint]

I don't think we need to worry about Melbourne pinching Jack Martin, just from the player welfare perspective. He's made it clear he wants to get to Carlton and a large part of that is Eddie Betts mentorship, also his relationship with SPS has played a role as reported on here.

Say Melbourne are interested - they have to invite him to do a medical at their club. Say Martin refuses to do that medical. Melbourne can't really progress much further beyond that.

 

[Jeremias]

Bennell is priority 1. Let's make it happen.

Doesn't sound as though we're particularly interested.

Newnes and Murray are much better options IMO.

 

[Magruder]

I don't really understand why we delisted players prior to the trade period.

 

[blue healer]

I was on BF what felt like 24/7 over trade period
Then I was on BF all day yesterday to soak in all the fallout
What am I doing here today?

You're probably catching up. I also was tempted to do that but thought **** it and skipped to the last 4 pages. Pretty sure I missed nothing.