Bluemour Melting Pot XXI - Like seriously, the polar ice caps have got nothing on us

[zeggie]

Think the way the nomination regs are worded is that in nominating for the PSD, the player is agreeing to play at whichever club picks them. Don't think there'd be much hope for him taking legal action against Melbourne for picking him. Maybe he refuses to sign a physical contract, but if that's the case I don't see why Melbourne would have to pay him.

He could, of course, just roll with the "mental health" leave of absence and there is sweet FA anyone could do about it. Too big a bear for journos to poke.

I did actually answer all those specific points you just raised and referred to the specific individual rules to back up my view, if you refer earlier in this thread.

 

[Magruder]

Newnes is a solid citizen - would take - is never going to be a star but is an experienced role player

 

[Magruder]

Think the way the nomination regs are worded is that in nominating for the PSD, the player is agreeing to play at whichever club picks them. Don't think there'd be much hope for him taking legal action against Melbourne for picking him. Maybe he refuses to sign a physical contract, but if that's the case I don't see why Melbourne would have to pay him.

He could, of course, just roll with the "mental health" leave of absence and there is sweet FA anyone could do about it. Too big a bear for journos to poke.

This will never stand up - Melbourne won't pick him unless he agrees to go there.

 

[Hands On]

I was on BF what felt like 24/7 over trade period
Then I was on BF all day yesterday to soak in all the fallout
What am I doing here today?

Because this place is like this

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

Cochrane is using a proven management tactic. Make the other guy think you’re crazy enough to do anything

This bloke was the master of it.
He just dodged 21 punches from Frazier and then does this???

 

[Blue__Balls]

I don't really understand why we delisted players prior to the trade period.

To let players we had no intention of keeping on our list move on with their lives?

 

[Electric Blue]

Jack Newnes > Brandon Ellis and half the price.

 

[barass70]

Say Melbourne are interested - they have to invite him to do a medical at their club. Say Martin refuses to do that medical. Melbourne can't really progress much further beyond that.

Doesn’t matter if Dees are interested our offer will blow them off the park... and again i repeat Martin will be a Carlton player.

 

[Blues_1864]

I don't really understand why we delisted players prior to the trade period.

The only conceivable benefit is to give the younger players (e.g. Kerr) the best possible chance to get in the eyeline of other clubs i.e. a goodwill gesture. No upside to the early delisting of Thomas. Going into trade period with 7 senior vacancies was no better than going in with 0. Trade first, delist second, like Hawthorn do - from the outside, it just looks like common sense.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Doesn’t matter if Dees are interested our offer will blow them off the park... and again i repeat Martin will be a Carlton player.

Thanks for the updates, B70.

Any rumblings of left-field options from here on out, or is it just looking like business as usual with a DFA or two and the draft?

 

[Foucault1989]

If Barass is indeed a Carlton insider, I get the feeling from his posts here that they are absolutely seething at the Gold Coast with how they have handled this. Absolutely ropable

 

[Zlatan]

Doesn’t matter if Dees are interested our offer will blow them off the park... and again i repeat Martin will be a Carlton player.

Is the interest in Newnes real b70?

 

[BluesRule]

Not going to get into a long involved discussion about Daisy but I didn't see any indication that he was looking old or slowing down and BTW what does that say about Eddie who is older?

I'm a big fan of the old adage that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and who was the last DFA we picked up that was worth a damn other than Wright and that was under very different circumstances than ours at present?

Fair enough, I thought Daisy played well and was solid in his position but we have to find improvement.

The potential DFA's this year look more credible than previously. Newnes is not flash, but barely misses games, runs all day, has better stats than Daisy, and is only 26. I think that we could use a few players with mature bodies and an ability to play AFL for three years or so while #9 develops. Statistically he is better than Lang, Fisher and Dow so would also lift the bar in team selection.

Just don't think Daisy would play AFL in 2020 if we are improving.

 

[zeggie]

AFL could potentially ban us from trading like they did when the Swans followed AFL rules but upset the AFL's plans for Buddy.

They do make it up as they go.

Not really. COLA was a concession to offset the higher price of living. It was intended to "bump" up every players contract a little.

Instead Sydney used 20% of their TPP cap on 2 single players of their ~39 squad list. Had they not backdated those contracts it would be more like 30% year to year.

They did it to themselves.

 

[ajb72]

The apology was from the AFL - not quite Gil but close. Ultimately it means we get Martin for free and keep our picks, but as a reasonable & fair trading partner, it wasn’t our preference. We are always happy to pay a fair price.

They argued a future 2nd and 3rd were useless to them given the concessions they’d received, not bothering to consider that they could be packaged to move up. Truly bizarre behaviour.

This is what I haven't been able to get my head around the last couple of days.

GWS have been doing this for years. Packaging up picks and giving way overs in value to get higher up the draft list.

For GC to not even contemplate this is rather perplexing.

 

[ferrisb]

AFL could potentially ban us from trading like they did when the Swans followed AFL rules but upset the AFL's plans for Buddy.

They do make it up as they go.

Rubbish.

We put in a reasonable offer.

Was more than the cost of any of Langdon, Greenwood, Bruce, Keath, Aish, Ah Chee and more.

Not our fault GC had unique WANTS and demanded we structure the offer to suit them...

 

[Arr0w]

The apology was from the AFL - not quite Gil but close. Ultimately it means we get Martin for free and keep our picks, but as a reasonable & fair trading partner, it wasn’t our preference. We are always happy to pay a fair price.

They argued a future 2nd and 3rd were useless to them given the concessions they’d received, not bothering to consider that they could be packaged to move up. Truly bizarre behaviour.

Yeap, absolutely bizarre

 

[T2B_]

Tin Foil Hat Time.

GCS and CFC planned this together.
GCS play hard ball in trade week and we hold firm.
We do the deal mentioned to get him delisted, at a lower cost than a trade would have.
We get him as a DFA. No risk, no fuss.

Carlton get their guy for unders. Insiders come out and says SOS is still the man (thorough, firm but reasonable, etc) so no hit to the reputation.
GCS look tough as a warning for St Kilda and Crows for when they come for Luko, Rankine, King, etc, and still get something for Martin.

I'd like to think this but I think GC and the AFL are just a*seholes.

 

[Vamos Juddamente]

We obviously put a contract in front of Martin I hope we don't modify it. This is what we promised so that is the offer. If Melbourne want to match then let them. Silly to pay extra to scare them off because in reality he is not likely worth extra.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

This is what I haven't been able to get my head around the last couple of days.

GWS have been doing this for years. Packaging up picks and giving way overs in value to get higher up the draft list.

For GC to not even contemplate this is rather perplexing.

That's why GWS made it to the Grand Final and GCS made a grand f***up of it.

 

[Graffy4242]

Doesn’t matter if Dees are interested our offer will blow them off the park... and again i repeat Martin will be a Carlton player.

I think we should try to guess which number Martin will wear next year!

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

Any chance of getting some direction on Bennell from one of the legends please.

 

[T2B_]

When barass is this emphatic, fair dinkum, I'm almost turned on..

 

[V23]

This is what I haven't been able to get my head around the last couple of days.

GWS have been doing this for years. Packaging up picks and giving way overs in value to get higher up the draft list.

For GC to not even contemplate this is rather perplexing.

They probably feel it's better to send Lukosius and other clubs a message that they won't be pushed around as much in the future. That's more valuable than a couple of draft picks to them.

 

[SammaGilberto]

I think we should try to guess which number Martin will wear next year!

I think it'll be one of... 21/27/32/34/36/39/42 or they can go left-field and chuck em the 50, have we ever had a 50 roamin the park? I respect the big 50 on the back.