Politics Climate Change Paradox (cont in part 2)

[Bazzar]

Here's Greta with mum and dad. Noice t-shirts.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Do yourself a favor and read his posts.
Explains why the weather is behaving like it is better than any alarmist or fire-chief

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Cheers, but I don't need to read his stuff to identify scientific fraud when I see it.

 

[Bazzar]

Cheers, but I don't need to read his stuff to identify scientific fraud when I see it.

Your loss.

His latest on "Cyclones, Typhoons and Hurricanes. Are these the heat exhaust vacuums for the tropics" is fascinating

 

[Deliverance]

Maybe these two should be brought back in to the game. They did pretty well for an effort from the 60s.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0469(1967)024%3C0241%3ATEOTAW%3E2.0.CO%3B2

 

[Snake_Baker]

Your loss.

His latest on "Cyclones, Typhoons and Hurricanes. Are these the heat exhaust vacuums for the tropics" is fascinating

I'm not stating I won't look at him in future, just stating that mere common sense is all that's required to know that prediction bullshit is emanating from the media.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Here's Greta with mum and dad. Noice t-shirts.

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And?

 

[Bazzar]

And?

And?
So they dont take political sides?

 

[kranky al]

Watch these clips and then think about how these sole factors render climate computer prediction models redundant.


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"...........no two Indian Ocean dipole events, and no two set of impacts are the same..........."

Weather /= climate



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"...........no two set of SAM events, and no two set of impacts are exactly the same..........."

Now take this information and add in countless more variables and you will get some idea why the majority of climate prediction models should be ignored.

 

[Snake_Baker]

??????????

 

[kranky al]

Well how about you take the climate change challenge?

 

[Bazzar]

Well how about you take the climate change challenge?

Whats the challenge?
Out of curiosity, what do you personally do to help combat global warming

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

And?
So they dont take political sides?

Being anti-fascist is a political side now?

Denying neo-nazis and white supremacists a platform is generally good business.

 

[Bazzar]

Being anti-fascist is a political side now?

Denying neo-nazis and white supremacists a platform is generally good business.

Being supporters of ANTIFA is political, and in Gretas words "I'm sometimes called ”political". But I've never supported any political party, politician or ideology."

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Being supporters of ANTIFA is political, and in Gretas words "I'm sometimes called ”political". But I've never supported any political party, politician or ideology."

Denouncing nazis and white supremacist is not political.

It’s the mark of a decent human.

 

[Bazzar]

Denouncing nazis and white supremacist is not political.

It’s the mark of a decent human.

Good to see your an active supporter of ANTIFA, why am I not surprised

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Good to see your an active supporter of ANTIFA, why am I not surprised

 

[kranky al]

Whats the challenge?
Out of curiosity, what do you personally do to help combat global warming

2nd question:

5kw Solar panels on the roof - deep freezer on highest setting and only run in sunlight hours - house is smart wired so we can have the ac on when the panels are producing and wound off when not - house is Double insulated.

Fridge run off solar / wind / batteries.

Ebikes to go shopping and other non work stuff.

Recycle everything we can and drop off to recycling centre (no council recycling where i live so the recycling centre is run by volunteers and we all separate and drop our own recycling off)

We are active in the anti fraccing movement in the region)

I quit at work and took a job as supervisor installing what was at the time the largest solar plant in the southern hemisphere.

In my current business (Amongst other things) i set up smart wiring in houses to make them more efficient and set up 12 v solar, wind and battery arrays with inverters to run fridges overnight.

I practise as i preach

The moment it becomes practical to convert my work truck over to electric i will.

 

[Bazzar]

2nd question:

5kw Solar panels on the roof - deep freezer on highest setting and only run in sunlight hours - house is smart wired so we can have the ac on when the panels are producing and wound off when not - house is Double insulated.

Fridge run off solar / wind / batteries.

Ebikes to go shopping and other non work stuff.

Recycle everything we can and drop off to recycling centre (no council recycling where i live so the recycling centre is run by volunteers and we all separate and drop our own recycling off)

We are active in the anti fraccing movement in the region)

I quit at work and took a job as supervisor installing what was at the time the largest solar plant in the southern hemisphere.

In my current business (Amongst other things) i set up smart wiring in houses to make them more efficient and set up 12 v solar, wind and battery arrays with inverters to run fridges overnight.

I practise as i preach

The moment it becomes practical to convert my work truck over to electric i will.

What e-bike?
Im looking at getting one soon.

 

[kranky al]

Your loss.

His latest on "Cyclones, Typhoons and Hurricanes. Are these the heat exhaust vacuums for the tropics" is fascinating

As is this:

 

[kranky al]

What e-bike?
Im looking at getting one soon.

Got a bike and getting a trike for the old dog to sit in when we take them to the park / beach

 

[Snake_Baker]

Proof our planet is cracking under stress

Melting ice is stressing our planet. Sea levels are shifting. Volcanoes and fault lines are stirring. The Earth’s axis is tipping.

www.news.com.au

 

[kranky al]

Whats the challenge?
Out of curiosity, what do you personally do to help combat global warming

Question 1

Hey mate something to consider:
There are people whove devoted their lifes work to the study of the climate - usually involving 12+ years of study, a masters or doctorate in that very specific field.

They almost invariably come to the same conclusion as the vast majority of their colleagues that man made climate change is an enormous immediate threat to humankind.

So much so that pretty much the only debate within this scientific community is how bad and how fast the effects will be. This is reflected by a really simple test. Try and find a published peer reviewed paper - written by a scientist with a degree in climate science - that disagrees that mmcc is a threat.

There is still debate within the wider scientific community as oil companies fund many scientists in related disciplines such as geologists to release papers disparaging mmcc - but you never ever see a published peer reviewed paper from a climate scientist disputing it - only ever debating timelines and feedback loop importance.

Hundreds of times ive asked the question in fora all over the internet - show me a published peer reviewed article from a climate scientist disputing mmcc - im yet to receive a single one.

I can point you to a thousand that agree mmcc is a real and present threat.

I was once a skeptic - but that simple test was enough to convince me.

Try it for yourself - you will think you’ve found one - look the author up and find they have no qualifications in climate science - they are geos, bsc’s mathematicians - anything but climate scientists - and they always funded by the oil industry or flat out own fossil fuel companies.

Theres one famous one from canada where he tried to sue a media company for branding him a fraud but after a legal fight where he was ordered to hand over his university records showing his qualifications in climate science he quietly dropped the case.

It takes 12+ years to train a climate scientist - the concept that a geologist can write a paper on climate science is up there with the idea of getting a plumber in to fix an electrical fault in your house.

You wouldnt think of it would you?

So please - try my test - look for a published peer reviewed paper from a climate scientist. Not a geo, not a astrophysicist, not a mathmatician

Climate science is a pretty specialised field where someone gaining credentials in the field has to start with a strong background in a physics/ maths discipline - not finish with that.



If you cant find one - please rethink your position. If you can - please post it here.

 

[bfff]

Watch these clips and then think about how these sole factors render climate computer prediction models redundant.
"...........no two Indian Ocean dipole events, and no two set of impacts are the same..........."

"...........no two set of SAM events, and no two set of impacts are exactly the same..........."

Now take this information and add in countless more variables and you will get some idea why the majority of climate prediction models should be ignored.

Can you show where these factors are ignored in climate modelling? Or how the effects would propagate through a model? Can you provide links to peer reviewed papers with models that have egregious errors?

Not familiar with this person, but there's a reason why there's 7 day forecasts. Once you go too far beyond them, the variables are too great to be worth any value.

Weather =/= climate

Cheers, but I don't need to read his stuff to identify scientific fraud when I see it.

Any evidence apart from your opinion? Any qualifications in climate science? Because that’s what is needed to prove scientific fraud.

 

[kranky al]

Spins me out that people with zero qualifications in the field can just deride what people who study something as a full time job after 12 plus years of study to get there

You want to become a climate scientist - Get a degree in maths With a science minor or physics With a maths minor - then a masters in climate science followed by a doctorate in climate science

But yeah some dickhead on the internet knows more.

 

[twotooto]

The vast majority of people in this thread have acknowledged that climate change is happening and that 'man' is not helping the issue with his blatant disregard. You don't have to have a masters in climatology/meteorology to know that if we continue to treat the planet like a rubbish tip and if we continue to pump all kinds of highly toxic shit in to the atmosphere there's going to be an impact. I don't think any reasonable person could deny that climate change is real.

The only thing in dispute is a) the amount of impact humans are having and b) the accuracy of the predictions. Since we have trouble predicting the weather 2-3 days ahead, it's reasonable to have doubts about said predictions yet still hold the view that yes, we need to focus on climate change and yes, we need to continue looking at ways to minimise our impact.

Repeat : Yes, climate change is a thing. Yes, man is very bad and may need to be put in the naughty corner. No, we don't actually know what will happen but at the present rate we are going at, it's not going to be good.