Game Day Marsh Series - Carlton v Fremantle Saturday 29 Feb 7.10pm (EST) @ David Grays Arena

[HARKER]

Okay Harks, show me one post where ANYONE has suggested DOC should be a full time mid, JUST ONE. You keep throw it out there countless times, yet not one shred of evidence.
Any you of all people suggesting people are throwing out unsubstantiated claims
Best we move on, yeah?

Where did I say full time?

It seems we see what we want to see and read what we want to read and somehow there can never be an understanding amidst that environment.
There's a big focus on semantics at play and so many demands to 'prove' things. It's all a little odd to me, given we're in the realm of discussing opinions

 

[Macca43]

Stamos, stop paddling. Name a best 22, for the year if you prefer that, then name 6 emergencies

I love this, a bloke who has repeatedly refused to name a best 22 demanding someone else do it.

For me my 22 (assuming Charlie is unavailable) would be;
B: Plow, Jones, Doc
HB: Willo, Weitering, Samo
C: Fisher, Cripps, Setterfield
HF: Martin, McKay, McGovern
F: Jack, Levi, Betts
Foll: Kreuzer, Walsh, Murphy

Bench: Simpson, Dow, Ed, Cunners

Beyond that you have a group of Newman, Marchbank, O'Brien, Gibbons, Stocker, Kennedy, De Koning, Pittonet and possibly Philp to make up the 3 emergencies. Who comes in is dependent on who gets injured.

After the couple of practice games Willo has come up and Kennedy has slid down in my opinion. The other contenders have all stayed the same, no one has jumped up and grabbed the spot (I already had Fisher well in the 22).

 

[Macca43]

Okay good, at worst, you have Gibbons outside your best 24 if we are considering forward/mids, with Dow and Newnes ahead of him

Thanks for your input

Macca has him outside best 26

Now bounce the ball ffs

Outside my 26 assuming we want a tall to replace a tall a defender to replace a defender and a mid as our emergencies and assuming Charlie was fit.

But as I have said numerous times the gap between 21 and 27 is very small.

 

[Arr0w]

Where did I say full time?

It seems we see what we want to see and read what we want to read and somehow there can never be an understanding amidst that environment.
There's a big focus on semantics at play and so many demands to 'prove' things. It's all a little odd to me, given we're in the realm of discussing opinions

You're the one that wanted to know who our core mids were going to be, is that not semantics?

Let's move on Harks, we are just covering the same dribble

 

[HARKER]

You're the one that wanted to know who our core mids were going to be, is that not semantics?

Let's move on Harks, we are just covering the same dribble

Right.....yes....good idea.

All good and all being well we may find some harmony along the way through the course of the year.

 

[Arr0w]

I love this, a bloke who has repeatedly refused to name a best 22 demanding someone else do it.

For me my 22 (assuming Charlie is unavailable) would be;
B: Plow, Jones, Doc
HB: Willo, Weitering, Samo
C: Fisher, Cripps, Setterfield
HF: Martin, McKay, McGovern
F: Jack, Levi, Betts
Foll: Kreuzer, Walsh, Murphy

Bench: Simpson, Dow, Ed, Cunners

Beyond that you have a group of Newman, Marchbank, O'Brien, Gibbons, Stocker, Kennedy, De Koning, Pittonet and possibly Philp to make up the 3 emergencies. Who comes in is dependent on who gets injured.

After the couple of practice games Willo has come up and Kennedy has slid down in my opinion. The other contenders have all stayed the same, no one has jumped up and grabbed the spot (I already had Fisher well in the 22).

Outside my 26 assuming we want a tall to replace a tall a defender to replace a defender and a mid as our emergencies and assuming Charlie was fit.

But as I have said numerous times the gap between 21 and 27 is very small.

I have actually named a best 22 Macca, unlike many others that have a rolling best 22 and have had a number of cracks, so once again you are wrong

So now it's based on injuries and he falls in the 21-27? Guess it contradicts these

Training - 2020 Training - pics, reports etc

Midfielders/small or medium forwards definitely picked before Gibbons (locks in the team): 1. Cripps 2. Walsh 3. Murphy 4. E. Curnow 5. Setterfield 6. Cuningham 7. Martin 8. Betts 9. SPS (if he plays midfield) He falls into a big pile with J. Silvagni, Newnes, Dow, Fisher, O'Brien, Kennedy...

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Training - 2020 Training - pics, reports etc

" to be considered best 26, let alone best 22" SO we need less injuires for him to be best 22 than we do 26? I have Gibbons in a group with Lang, Kennedy & Stocker (plus possibly some of the 1st year players) behind the likes of Marchbank, Willo, Newnes, LOB - so IMO we would need injuries just...

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[Macca43]

I have actually named a best 22 Macca, unlike many others that have a rolling best 22 and have had a number of cracks, so once again you are wrong

So now it's based on injuries and he falls in the 21-27? Guess it contradicts these

Training - 2020 Training - pics, reports etc

Midfielders/small or medium forwards definitely picked before Gibbons (locks in the team): 1. Cripps 2. Walsh 3. Murphy 4. E. Curnow 5. Setterfield 6. Cuningham 7. Martin 8. Betts 9. SPS (if he plays midfield) He falls into a big pile with J. Silvagni, Newnes, Dow, Fisher, O'Brien, Kennedy...

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Training - 2020 Training - pics, reports etc

" to be considered best 26, let alone best 22" SO we need less injuires for him to be best 22 than we do 26? I have Gibbons in a group with Lang, Kennedy & Stocker (plus possibly some of the 1st year players) behind the likes of Marchbank, Willo, Newnes, LOB - so IMO we would need injuries just...

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SO lets see it , I have asked you numerous times and you have refused. You recently said there was no point to them to another poster,

And stop trying to make an argument. Those statements aren't contradictory to what I am saying now.

I don't have Gibbons in my best 22, if I was to name a 22 plus emergencies (so best 25) I wouldn't have Gibbons in it because of the reasons I mention in the post you link. But I have also said numerous times the gap is small.

Also I am more than happy to change my opinion as new data is presented, I didn't have Willo in my best 22 prior to the last couple of games, I do now. I would have had Kennedy before Gibbons 3 weeks ago I would reverse that now.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Name them JAB

I saw a couple directly in front of me on Saturday, Setterfield was one who stopped a step short of the contest at least on one occasion. I also don't want to besmirch the man, but i'm pretty sure I saw Walsh do it too. Pretty sure I saw Kennedy have a couple of undesired contests too.

Definitely didn't see Martin take a short step, which makes the "soft" critiques often labeled at him completely hilarious.

Hopefully you just want to put it down to not wanting to get hurt in a Pre-Season game.

 

[Arr0w]

SO lets see it , I have asked you numerous times and you have refused. You recently said there was no point to them to another poster,

And stop trying to make an argument. Those statements aren't contradictory to what I am saying now.

I don't have Gibbons in my best 22, if I was to name a 22 plus emergencies (so best 25) I wouldn't have Gibbons in it because of the reasons I mention in the post you link. But I have also said numerous times the gap is small.

Also I am more than happy to change my opinion as new data is presented, I didn't have Willo in my best 22 prior to the last couple of games, I do now. I would have had Kennedy before Gibbons 3 weeks ago I would reverse that now.

Not contradictory. You had him outside best 26, twice, now you say that the spots from 21-27 are tight

Sure if you look hard enough you will find my best 22+

What blows my mind is that I posted a number of observations about game, yet you and a couple of others continue to be drawn to my opinion of Gibbons being ahead of a number of players. Let it go

We stated our case, I have him best 22 for this year, while you and a number of others have him outside best 25

Nothing left to debate, for now

 

[Macca43]

Not contradictory. You had him outside best 26, twice, now you say that the spots from 21-27 are tight

Sure if you look hard enough you will find my best 22+

What blows my mind is that I posted a number of observations about game, yet you and a couple of others continue to be drawn to my opinion of Gibbons being ahead of a number of players. Let it go

We stated our case, I have him best 22 for this year, while you and a number of others have him outside best 25

Nothing left to debate, for now

" You had him outside best 26, twice, now you say that the spots from 21-27 are tight" Those 2 things can be true at the same time, I said then I wouldn't have him in my 25 but the difference was small and I say now I wouldn't have him in my 22 plus emergencies but the difference is small. Nothing contradictory.

And again, you demand something of Stamos but won't do it yourself.

"What blows my mind is that I posted a number of observations about game, yet you and a couple of others continue to be drawn to my opinion of Gibbons being ahead of a number of players. Let it go" I could say the same to you, I posted a number of observations on the game, one of which was about Gibbons and yet you continue to be drawn to my views on Gibbons, even going back to hunt down undisputed posts. Let it go.

 

[Macca43]

Not contradictory. You had him outside best 26, twice, now you say that the spots from 21-27 are tight

Sure if you look hard enough you will find my best 22+

What blows my mind is that I posted a number of observations about game, yet you and a couple of others continue to be drawn to my opinion of Gibbons being ahead of a number of players. Let it go

We stated our case, I have him best 22 for this year, while you and a number of others have him outside best 25

Nothing left to debate, for now

As I said at the time

But as I said we largely agree

 

[Blue__Balls]

Holy.
****ing.
Shit.

Take it to the PM's folks.

 

[murphster]

Thought I would add a little to give some perspective.

It was a long road trip culminating in them spending 3 hours on the bus before the game due to the traffic. The boys were apparently "over it" before the first ball was even bounced. You could argue this is a bad attitude or that it just didn't mean enough to them.

Make of it what you will.

Good insight, goes someway to explaining some of there lack of interest/intent on the day, we should see a big difference at Princes Park where we will have a good home ground advantage, which we should have in the regular season against interstate sides, thanks Collo you big blowhard.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Hey Mods - any chance we can set up a separate thread called "The Cage", so if posters (myself included) feel the need to engage in a 6-page debate they can be banished and segregated from everyone who has no desire to watch the old irresistible force/immovable object conundrum in digital form...?

 

[Macca43]

Hey Mods - any chance we can set up a separate thread called "The Cage", so if posters (myself included) feel the need to engage in a 6-page debate they can be banished and segregated from everyone who has no desire to watch the old irresistible force/immovable object conundrum in digital form...?

A 6 page debate would actually be entertaining, this is a multiple page futile attempt to show that 2 things can be true at the same time,

 

[murphster]

I’m going to name a few that I think fit that mould:
Lang
LOB
Fisher

Doesn’t mean they’re bad players or should be delisted/traded, just don’t see fierce attack on the ball/man as their strong suit.
LOB & Fish are so outmatched physically against most senior players that they are probably justified in being somewhat tentative.
Lang is purely a depth player IMO.
The only reason he should be keeping a young player out of the seniors is if he adds something they don’t - reliable, consistent effort; above avg disposal; poise under pressure. Sadly he is found wanting in these areas far too often. I don’t want to gift young players games, but if the choice is between persisting with Lang or getting meaningful game time into a Stocker/Philp/etc I know which I’d vote for.

Seeing Lang and his lack of care or want just makes the Daisy decision perplexing and down right wrong, would have been a thousand times better off keeping Daisy and moving him back to the forward line as a leader rather than keeping Lang who offers nothing team wise and certainly not leadership wise. Actually makes me quite angry that this has happened when you see Lang give no effort and the fact Daisy by the end would have given his all for the jumper and club.

 

[Macca43]

Seeing Lang and his lack of care or want just makes the Daisy decision perplexing and down right wrong, would have been a thousand times better off keeping Daisy and moving him back to the forward line as a leader rather than keeping Lang who offers nothing team wise and certainly not leadership wise. Actually makes me quite angry that this has happened when you see Lang give no effort and the fact Daisy by the end would have given his all for the jumper and club.

I am far from a Lang fan and wish he was off our list but Thomas and him weren't vying for the same spot. Thomas would have been queuing up behind Newman, SImpson, Docherty, Marchbank, SPS and Williamson down back.

Also we can afford to play Lang in the 2's all year, I wouldn't want to have done that to Daisy.

 

[Taylor]

How much of the end of season stuff is pumped up by mountains of spam like this?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Seeing Lang and his lack of care or want just makes the Daisy decision perplexing and down right wrong, would have been a thousand times better off keeping Daisy and moving him back to the forward line as a leader rather than keeping Lang who offers nothing team wise and certainly not leadership wise. Actually makes me quite angry that this has happened when you see Lang give no effort and the fact Daisy by the end would have given his all for the jumper and club.

Tipping the contract situation may have been part of it too.

If we'd kept Daisy and ditched Lang, we'd probably still be paying both of them. Given our off-season targets in Cogs, Papley, Martin, Betts - cap space would have been a significant factor.

 

[murphster]

Gibbons wasn't the only one bombing it long. I know you and others like Stamos don't rate him, but compare his current (as well as last year) output and he is miles ahead of others such as Dow, Cuners, Newnes etc

Cuners awareness, game sense is poor, hence why I suggest he should be given a run with role off a wing, takes him to the ball, then use his speed to burn players off

Yeah I don’t mind that idea of giving Cunners a run with role I think it could really accelerate his midfield learning as long as it is on the right player, giving him that role this week against McCluggage who was rated as the most affective wingman last year would be a really good starting point for him. I think when our more senior players are back and we are playing the style we played late last year Cunny Lingus will be a lot more affective being used as a link in our running chains as this will be more his go than trying to find his own ball in the middle, but again a McCluggage match up would be very interesting.

 

[jooce8891]

I saw a couple directly in front of me on Saturday, Setterfield was one who stopped a step short of the contest at least on one occasion. I also don't want to besmirch the man, but i'm pretty sure I saw Walsh do it too. Pretty sure I saw Kennedy have a couple of undesired contests too.

Definitely didn't see Martin take a short step, which makes the "soft" critiques often labeled at him completely hilarious.

Hopefully you just want to put it down to not wanting to get hurt in a Pre-Season game.

i definitely saw walsh do it once, but in the real stuff, no way he does it.

 

[jezzajay]

The fine on Martin is a joke!!
Was the freo player also fined? Just as culpable!
If the umpire actually ran backwards in a straight line it probably wouldn't have happened...if anything the umps more to blame than either of the players.
AFL sort ya shit out!!!

Carlton contests Martin MRO charge

Carlton will appeal the MRO charge handed down to Jack Martin.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[Macca43]

Yeah I don’t mind that idea of giving Cunners a run with role I think it could really accelerate his midfield learning as long as it is on the right player, giving him that role this week against McCluggage who was rated as the most affective wingman last year would be a really good starting point for him. I think when our more senior players are back and we are playing the style we played late last year Cunny Lingus will be a lot more affective being used as a link in our running chains as this will be more his go than trying to find his own ball in the middle, but again a McCluggage match up would be very interesting.

From what most people say on here Cuningham is a fairly simple guy, so while getting him to run with a quality player might seem like it will drag him to the ball and keep him engaged the issue for me comes when they get to the ball, we want Cuningham at that contest being aggressive, winning the ball and bursting away that is hard to do if he is also tasked with being accountable for a player and would leave him doing 2 things badly. A good opponent would simply take him to contest and lose him in the traffic as his attention gets divided.

Keep it simple, see ball, get ball, run.

 

[Aphrodite]

Hey Mods - any chance we can set up a separate thread called "The Cage", so if posters (myself included) feel the need to engage in a 6-page debate they can be banished and segregated from everyone who has no desire to watch the old irresistible force/immovable object conundrum in digital form...?

Roast - Inner Feral Fan Unleashed - Warning - Unbridled, passionate, and objectionable opinions within

And campaigners think the SFA is weird. This shit is next level. I havent heard anyone say that.

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Arr0w]

Yeah I don’t mind that idea of giving Cunners a run with role I think it could really accelerate his midfield learning as long as it is on the right player, giving him that role this week against McCluggage who was rated as the most affective wingman last year would be a really good starting point for him. I think when our more senior players are back and we are playing the style we played late last year Cunny Lingus will be a lot more affective being used as a link in our running chains as this will be more his go than trying to find his own ball in the middle, but again a McCluggage match up would be very interesting.

I agree, the opponent needs to be right. McCluggage is a good example. Gaff, Scully types, he would have the edge on pure speed.

Cuners will never be a ball hunter, as much as we would like, if he is taken to the ball by the better readers of play, he could use his strengths to burst away, as well as reducing their impact on the game