Hypothetically what would we offer to get Sandilands?

[The Majestic]

Since there is a rumour going around that Sandilands wants 700k a year, and we're apparently talking to him (no need to say it's a full 10 months away, I already know, this is a hypothetical.) so since there is a full 10 months until anything can happen with him, and trading and making a big deal to lure him to the Magpies, what would be a realistic offer that we would make?

Would 700k be well spent on Sandilands? I was thinking it be a bit much, but then again, we have had a need for another good ruckman, and by then we'd see if Richards was upto the test, or not.

But 700k? Hmm.

 

[Dave The Man]

I'd Say he is worth about 400k-600k.

We Will Have To Trade our 1st Pick and 1-3 Players for him!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Think of it in terms of giving up two players of equal salary, which is what you'd have to do in theory to make cap room.

I dont know who at Collingwood is on 350k, but we'd have to lose two of them. That I assume would be the equivalent of losing Didak and Fraser.

 

[doppleganger]

im guessing we would have to offer him 700,000.

dont think freo would ever trade a bloke with so much potential, so would all be about the money

 

[Pedro]

Think of it in terms of giving up two players of equal salary, which is what you'd have to do in theory to make cap room.

Tarrant's gone. Wakelin, Burns, Buckley are all possibilities to retire. If one of Bucks and Burns retires, I assume Rocca and maybe Presti can go onto the vets list. I'm not sure that the salary cap would be the biggest problem. Getting a trade to happen would be the biggest hurdle imo.

 

[The Majestic]

I'd think Wakelin would be almost certain to retire, follow his brother into retirement, I'd hope we can secure Bucks and Burns for another year. I'd think our cap room would be pretty decent at the moment as Tarrant, and Clemo had taken a lesser offer to us to shop around, and if you remember we did throw a bit offer to Brown to cross over from the Lions.

I am thinking that we might have to make a fairly decent deal to the Dockers to secure him, unless he leaves once he is out of contract and we can reel him in that way, that is if we want to make a play for him anyway.

Which I'd think there would be a good chance we would.

 

[MarkT]

OK I will get shot down here but here goes:

First round pick in 2007 along with Fraser and Clement would be a reasonable deal they may take. Wakeling thrown in if he wants to saddle up for another year (or two?). Clement is nearing the end. Fraser is a talented player but an average ruckman and without a real position. Someone like Blight might think outside the square enough to make him into a really hight impact player but I doubt MM will.

I’d still be a worried about $700m p.a. unless it was a long term deal.

 

[doppleganger]

OK I will get shot down here but here goes:

First round pick in 2007 along with Fraser and Clement would be a reasonable deal they may take. Wakeling thrown in if he wants to saddle up for another year (or two?). Clement is nearing the end. Fraser is a talented player but an average ruckman and without a real position. Someone like Blight might think outside the square enough to make him into a really hight impact player but I doubt MM will.

First rnd pick plus fraser plus clement

that is paying way over the odds, wouldn't even give that up for COX, and we are only talking bout sandilands

sandilands has not fully proven himself yet, let alone thinking he is the number 1 ruck going around.

clement, yeah never really though bout off-loading him, def a left-field idea, very ruthless but not without merit

stupid to get rid of fraser IMO, he is a weapon, would work well in tandem with sandilands IMO, can play as a roaming tall around the ground as he is brilliant as a follower

I’d still be a worried about $700m p.a. unless it was a long term deal.

money isn't an issue, if we have the cap space load him up in a front ended contract

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Depends on the season he has this year but i would look at giving
1 Good/Brilliant Close to Retirement Player
James Clement/ Nathan Buckley/ Scott Burns /Paul Licuria/ Shane Wakelin

2 Fairly Ordinary Players
Ryan Lonie/ Tarkyn Lockyer/ Leon Davis/ Shane O'Bree/ Anthony Rocca

and 1 4th round draft pick or Daniel Nicholls/ Shannon Cox/ Daniel Stanley

 

[FIGJAM]

OK I will get shot down here but here goes:

First round pick in 2007 along with Fraser and Clement would be a reasonable deal they may take. Wakeling thrown in if he wants to saddle up for another year (or two?). Clement is nearing the end. Fraser is a talented player but an average ruckman and without a real position. Someone like Blight might think outside the square enough to make him into a really hight impact player but I doubt MM will.

I’d still be a worried about $700m p.a. unless it was a long term deal.

You're posts pre-acid used to be worth reading Mark!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Tarrant's gone. Wakelin, Burns, Buckley are all possibilities to retire. If one of Bucks and Burns retires, I assume Rocca and maybe Presti can go onto the vets list. I'm not sure that the salary cap would be the biggest problem. Getting a trade to happen would be the biggest hurdle imo.

Tarrant went last year, he's already been replaced, so thats irrelvant. We'd have to get rid of another player of Tarrant's profile to make room.

Cap room IS an issue. We could always sqeeeze a player in for that sort of salary, but only if you tell Ben Johnson, Alan Didak, Dale Thomas, Scott Pendlebury, Travis Cloke and Nick Maxwell that they are not getting payrises. It would be creating a Carlton-like situation where 2-3 players were recieving all the financial benefits, and the rest could get stuffed.

Bringing in a player on that sort or salary will only create morale problems, unless you trade away a high salaried player to make room.
I'd rather draft and develop our own Sandilands, rather than pay over the odds for this one.

 

[doppleganger]

Bringing in a player on that sort or salary will only create morale problems, unless you trade away a high salaried player to make room.
I'd rather draft and develop our own Sandilands, rather than pay over the odds for this one.

We have tried to draft and develop our own

pick 1 - fraser
recruit - mckee

other draft picks
richards, t.walker, b.hall, c.cloke

rookie pick - fanning

only fraser has been a success, but he was a gift and plenty of people are still not even happy with josh.

perhaps paying over the odds $$ wise for a good ruck is necessary. could give him 700K for one year and then drop it down to 300K or so for the next few years, that may entice him over.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We have tried to draft and develop our own

Yeah yeah yeah I know all that. Doesnt mean we should give up trying though.

Sandilands has played about half a season of good footy. Hardly enough to justify a 700k salary that would require us to make a sacrifice on our list to obtain. I dont mind over the odds, but how much over?

 

[Captain Pump]

Forgive the intrusion, however I thought I might weigh in here. As has been previously mentioned Sandilands hasnt reached the top of the ruck tree...however it is quite likely he will within the next 2-3 years. I will be surprised if he is not AA next year. BUT is he worth the effort of securing him from the Dockers? Trade-wise I mean.

Of the names mentioned above, the Dockers will not take anyone close to retirement (especially Clement). It would have to be one of Pendles/Thomas and a high draft pick, and maybe another high pick.

When all is said and done, getting him to move at a reasonable price is just not going to happen.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Forgive the intrusion, however I thought I might weigh in here. As has been previously mentioned Sandilands hasnt reached the top of the ruck tree...however it is quite likely he will within the next 2-3 years. I will be surprised if he is not AA next year. BUT is he worth the effort of securing him from the Dockers? Trade-wise I mean.

Of the names mentioned above, the Dockers will not take anyone close to retirement (especially Clement). It would have to be one of Pendles/Thomas and a high draft pick, and maybe another high pick.

When all is said and done, getting him to move at a reasonable price is just not going to happen.

Absolutely spot on.

The best way to succeed is to develop your own players. The sacrifice to recruit big money players is rarely worth the cost and rarely successful.

 

[Nebula1971]

Of the names mentioned above, the Dockers will not take anyone close to retirement (especially Clement). It would have to be one of Pendles/Thomas and a high draft pick, and maybe another high pick.

When all is said and done, getting him to move at a reasonable price is just not going to happen.

With all due respect, the Pies wouldn't relinquish a Thomas / Pendles type player alone. You want a high draft pick plus more? Stay off the hallucinogenics...

Sandilands at $700,000 p.a is laughable in any case & Collingwood despite their wealth wouldn't go there...

 

[Ramere]

I'd be happy to pay the 700k out of my own pocket if the club was able to get Wakes involved in any trade combination. It would be the trading coup of the century to convince a club to take a bloke who is gonna retire before then start of next season

 

[Marklar_33]

I’d still be a worried about $700m p.a. unless it was a long term deal.

Hmmmm, thats a lot of under-the-table payments!

 

[i_hate_scams]

It would have to be one of Pendles/Thomas and a high draft pick, and maybe another high pick.

that is just ridiculous

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Erm, the Pies wouldn't even shy away from their best-available policy in the draft to take a ruckman, there is no way they'd trade a top player and a first-rounder for one, albeit an established one.

It is apparent the administration see our current ruck list, with the addition of Chris Bryan, as being adequate for the time being.

I'm all for addressing the dire need at ruck, but overpaying for Sandilands is not the way.

 

[Dazman]

If he wants $700,000 a year he could nominate for the PSD and we could get him, no matter where we finished. Not many teams would be willing to fork out that sort of cash.

 

[Captain Pump]

that is just ridiculous

Which was my point...

Shifting a player who is essentially in a clubs top few VIPs means giving up a talented youngster and at least a high 1st rounder.

 

[Captain Pump]

With all due respect, the Pies wouldn't relinquish a Thomas / Pendles type player alone. You want a high draft pick plus more? Stay off the hallucinogenics...

It's got nothing to do with what I want. I was illustrating what the Dockers would have to demand to make the trade worthwhile to them. You are hallucinating if you think that what I want is synonymous with what the Fremantle Dockers want....with all due respect of course.

 

[The Majestic]

If he wants $700,000 a year he could nominate for the PSD and we could get him, no matter where we finished. Not many teams would be willing to fork out that sort of cash.

I wouldn't think there would be many in the AFL with that amount of room available to pay that either.

 

[Nebula1971]

It's got nothing to do with what I want. I was illustrating what the Dockers would have to demand to make the trade worthwhile to them. You are hallucinating if you think that what I want is synonymous with what the Fremantle Dockers want....with all due respect of course.

The relevance of what you & what the Dockers want is insignificant to me. The price tag that is being discussed & the number of players that you spoke of is what is symbolic to me...

If you are able to segregate the two & recognize the most important element of my point, there will be no need to further discuss this...

To clarify, Sandilands is not worth $700,000 p.a nor would Collingwood advertise such irresponsibility to entertain a trade involving a gun player & a high draft pick for him...