List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[HBF]

I’m a bit of a rap for Cedric Cox liked him in his draft year, quick skilled ball user and ball carrier can play defense wing forward... Nth Ballarat boy originally from Halls Creek #22 2015 draft 23yrs only 13 games 184cm 83kg good foot smarts, great tackler good one on one and overhead... Kicked four goals from 15 possessions in the QFL grand final last year, has the likes of Cameron Zorko and others keeping him out atm... wouldn’t cost much good age thinking small defender or pressure forward...

I'd be keen on him for sure for all of those reasons above.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I'd be keen on him for sure for all of those reasons above.

He can take over our other Halls Creek boys position in the backline and have SPS in his rightful position in the midfield...

 

[Blue__Balls]

IF Charlie/Harry/McGovern are fit next year - Levi competed with Jones for the 2nd KPD role.

Eddie does a fantastic job of being a small defender - in the forward line.

Yeah, that's somewhat my point. Hypothetically, if we got Papley, would it be better for the team to have Betts in the backline than out of the side completely?

Say the forward line is:

Martin, Curnow, Papley
Fisher, McKay, McGovern

We shift Eddie down back to apply pressure to the opposition smalls that always seem to give us grief, and he'd be no slouch at finding outlet targets by foot.

Maybe it's a bridge too far, dunno, just spitballing a left-field idea. If Simmo calls time, I feel like Betts would be better in the short term than Polson.

 

[JustaBattler]

Yeah, that's somewhat my point. Hypothetically, if we got Papley, would it be better for the team to have Betts in the backline than out of the side completely?

Say the forward line is:

Martin, Curnow, Papley
Fisher, McKay, McGovern

We shift Eddie down back to apply pressure to the opposition smalls that always seem to give us grief, and he'd be no slouch at finding outlet targets by foot.

Maybe it's a bridge too far, dunno, just spitballing a left-field idea. If Simmo calls time, I feel like Betts would be better in the short term than Polson.

I think Eddie is one of BOG players every week - he created an enormous amount of perceived and actual pressure on ball carriers because he still has explosive 5-10 meter burst speed and a footy brain to go with it. If you put him in defense - we lose the scare factor of him getting goal side as well as his uncanny ability to snag them from anywhere within 20 meters of goal.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I think Eddie is one of BOG players every week - he created an enormous amount of perceived and actual pressure on ball carriers because he still has explosive 5-10 meter burst speed and a footy brain to go with it. If you put him in defense - we lose the scare factor of him getting goal side as well as his uncanny ability to snag them from anywhere within 20 meters of goal.

True. Though I wonder if we retain that with Papley (or similar), Fisher and Martin at the feet of McKay, Charlie and Gov. And by repurposing Eddie down back we make it harder for the opposition to score, and perhaps cause more turnovers from which to slingshot. And of course we'd have the flexibility within games to swing Betts forward for a short spell (and knowing him he'd probably sneak forward for the odd goal too).

It's probably too late in his career to make such a drastic move, of course, but could have some positives.

 

[BlueView]

Simmo out of all three of him Betts and Murphy is the one I wouldn’t mind going on if he wanted too.

On the PROVISO that the club told him in no uncertain terms that there would be a good chance he’d be playing in the twos if he’s form warranted and to harbour no ill will or animosity if it came to that.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Preferably by the end of the season I’m hoping we realize that we don’t need to recruit big slow midfielders that are only ok by foot and/or offer no run and have a ordinary history off injuries...
If the likes of Papley and Williams aren’t possible then don’t go reaching for certain players that don’t add to what we are needing/lacking just for the sake of it...
We need attacking speed, skill, two way run and clever small forwards..
That’s my say...

 

[DamoBlamo]

Does anyone know how much space we have in the cap for next season?
I know last season we were chasing Coniglio and Papley and then we picked up Jack Martin and front ended his contract,
but surely we can still fit two guns in Zac Williams (free agent) and Tom Papley (picks) without having to stress about squeezing them under the cap?

Trade targets
Zac Williams; free agent so we won't have to sell the farm
and
Tom Papley; possibly exchange of 2020's First Round Pick and a future First and a swap for Sydney's second round can get it done?
We know of Tom's desire to return to Vic and he'd love to join us for a premiership tilt, does this depend on Joe Danniher and Essendon again?

Trade value
The jury is out on Dow, LOB, SPS
The next few rounds are massive for them and where the club sits with them, I think they are the only potential players with some sort of trade value that we could possibly use to get deals done; however I'd give them all a chance to prove me wrong

Retirees
I think 2 out of Murph, Simmo, Betts, Kreuzer will have to retire this season and the other 2 next season
My bet is Simmo and Kreuzer retire this season and then Murph/ Betts next season (with Betts plying more of a player/on field coach/guidance role)
Love the blokes, but they simply don't have much upside

Delistings
Darcy Lang please get rid of him

What is happening with Mitch Mcgovern? His contract ends the end of this season and 600k is too much! Worth keeping on less money? If so, how much?

Lastly and hypothetically how do we get this bloke below?

 

[BlueBlood15]

Preferably by the end of the season I’m hoping we realize that we don’t need to recruit big slow midfielders that are only ok by foot and/or offer no run and have a ordinary history off injuries...
If the likes of Papley and Williams aren’t possible then don’t go reaching for certain players that don’t add to what we are needing/lacking just for the sake of it...
We need attacking speed, skill, two way run and clever small forwards..
That’s my say...

Agreed. We’re well stocked on inside midfielders (Cripps, Ed, Setters and Kennedy). We need speed and skill through the midfield. I’d be looking at Zac Williams to play that role given his free agent status.

 

[katmanblue]

You're simply not listening..

Jones wasn't a KPD....Casboult could not KPD....No one can KPD....until they can.

Schrodinger's KPD

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[katmanblue]

Hopefully the club doesn't give up too many future first rounds etc this trade or next as we are gonna need plenty of futures first picks for when Matty Rowell requests a trade to us in a couple of years[emoji23]

Just signed for another 2 years.

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[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Preferably by the end of the season I’m hoping we realize that we don’t need to recruit big slow midfielders that are only ok by foot and/or offer no run and have a ordinary history off injuries...
If the likes of Papley and Williams aren’t possible then don’t go reaching for certain players that don’t add to what we are needing/lacking just for the sake of it...
We need attacking speed, skill, two way run and clever small forwards..
That’s my say...

I’m a little bit like this. The problem is the players we need every side does. Their wouldn’t be a club out there saying they don’t need quick, two way running good ball uses. They are hard to find.
For me it’s still the same as the start of the year in that we should go all out for Papley and Williams and if we miss then guys like Petruccelle might be worth a shot but I wouldn’t go breaking the bank for a mid who isn’t perfect.

Next year our three starting mids should be Cripps, Walsh and Setterfield. If Setterfield doesn’t become a very good player like we hope he does then hopefully one of Stocker, Dow, SPS, Philip, Kemp ect do. Again if they don’t then maybe we have to run with Curnow as a tagger and hope that he can breakeven and that Cripps and Walsh are better then their opponents, which we would expect that they will be most weeks.
If we miss Williams then imo we need to be targeting a wingman. If LOB is a bust then we are very short on talent out there because there is no way in hell we used pick 1 on Walsh to play wing. Someone like B Smith may be worth talking to if we want a quick fix and he would still have 3-4 year left playing when we should be contending.
in saying that I think we would be absolutely crazy to go the the draft with a first rounder and had not of had a crack at Caldwell.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Agreed. We’re well stocked on inside midfielders (Cripps, Ed, Setters and Kennedy). We need speed and skill through the midfield. I’d be looking at Zac Williams to play that role given his free agent status.

Hopefully but just have this feeling he’ll stay...

 

[Virgin Dog]

What would we have to give up to get patrick lipinski?
He is a quality player, can hit the scoreboard has decent speed and agility, and a good user. Would be instantly best 22.

Someone on the Dogs board apparently knows his family, reckons he's 0% chance of ever leaving. Would even accept unders to stick around.

McLean is the gettable one from the Dogs imo

 

[Jeremias]

McLean is the gettable one from the Dogs imo

Yes please.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Yes please.

Seriously think Carlton are one of the better destinations for him (assuming Cripps is there for life). He'd be able to come in as the 2nd/3rd midfielder, eventually overtaken by Walsh, but able to play full time midfield minutes. He's wasted up forward, but is capable of becoming a 25-30 disposals/game, 10 goals/season type of player

 

[DamoBlamo]

Notable Players with Contracts Ending in 2020
Jack Petruccelle - very quick half forward (quickest at 2017 draft combine) who supported the blues as a kid, wants to come home and will learn loads off eddie
Jack Viney (RFA) - tough nut around the contest if needed
Isaac Smith -some dash from half back/ experience of winning culture, left field option for 1 season
Harry Perryman -
Brayden Fiorini -
Adam Saad -


2021 Notables
Caleb Serong - absolute jet and from VIC, hopefully wants to come home by then
Adam Cerra - absolute jet and from VIC, hopefully wants to come home by then
Shai Bolton - good silky prospect with great foot skills and pace
Noah Balta -long term Liam Jones replacement
Kysaiah Pickett - left field option, impressed the other day for melbourne

 

[KnightsBlue]

My wants are zac williams, tom papley, jack petruccelle, and toby mclean on the blues list in 2021

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Seriously think Carlton are one of the better destinations for him (assuming Cripps is there for life). He'd be able to come in as the 2nd/3rd midfielder, eventually overtaken by Walsh, but able to play full time midfield minutes. He's wasted up forward, but is capable of becoming a 25-30 disposals/game, 10 goals/season type of player

I think the only problem with us would be it might keep Setterfield and potentially Dow out who both struggle to play anywhere else and we would hope become as as handy as McLean anyway.
If we assume Cripps and Walsh our our two first picked mids then he would probably be in a similar position at Carlton with Setterfield and Dow or one of those two will just be in the same position that McLean is in at the Bulldogs atm. Of coarse those two might not come on but hopefully then one of Stocker, Kennedy, Kemp ect do.

just my opinion but if we have recruited at least ok then we probably need more of an outside type.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Does anyone know how much space we have in the cap for next season?
I know last season we were chasing Coniglio and Papley and then we picked up Jack Martin and front ended his contract,
but surely we can still fit two guns in Zac Williams (free agent) and Tom Papley (picks) without having to stress about squeezing them under the cap?

Trade targets
Zac Williams; free agent so we won't have to sell the farm
and
Tom Papley; possibly exchange of 2020's First Round Pick and a future First and a swap for Sydney's second round can get it done?
We know of Tom's desire to return to Vic and he'd love to join us for a premiership tilt, does this depend on Joe Danniher and Essendon again?

Trade value
The jury is out on Dow, LOB, SPS
The next few rounds are massive for them and where the club sits with them, I think they are the only potential players with some sort of trade value that we could possibly use to get deals done; however I'd give them all a chance to prove me wrong

Retirees
I think 2 out of Murph, Simmo, Betts, Kreuzer will have to retire this season and the other 2 next season
My bet is Simmo and Kreuzer retire this season and then Murph/ Betts next season (with Betts plying more of a player/on field coach/guidance role)
Love the blokes, but they simply don't have much upside

Delistings
Darcy Lang please get rid of him

What is happening with Mitch Mcgovern? His contract ends the end of this season and 600k is too much! Worth keeping on less money? If so, how much?

Lastly and hypothetically how do we get this bloke below?
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The reality is if list spots reduce at the end of this season, there won't be a lot of room to make massive changes.

Best to pick one player who can add value, then hit the draft.

Don't think the jury is out on Dow, O'brien and SPS. Dow has just come back from a 3 month knee injury and returned with a BOG performance in the reserves. O'brien came into the system as an elite runner, but lacked physical strength. Was always going to take a bit longer to come on. As for SPS, it's clear he's being played out of position due to necessity. We're not flush with quality half backs, so as soon as we find a replacement, we can push him up the ground more.

Think McGovern has a few more years to run on his contract, so I think we'll have to persist for now.

Martin's contract may have to be renegotiated, otherwise he will bear the brunt of the Covid-19 pay cuts. Probably limits our trade targets to 1 x A grader.

Williams facilitates our game plan for faster, direct ball movement. He also reduces our reliance on Docherty for run and carry out of defense. Quicker transition will make scoring easier for us, hence, should be our #1 priority

 

[Virgin Dog]

I think the only problem with us would be it might keep Setterfield and potentially Dow out who both struggle to play anywhere else and we would hope become as as handy as McLean anyway.
If we assume Cripps and Walsh our our two first picked mids then he would probably be in a similar position at Carlton with Setterfield and Dow or one of those two will just be in the same position that McLean is in at the Bulldogs atm. Of coarse those two might not come on but hopefully then one of Stocker, Kennedy, Kemp ect do.

just my opinion but if we have recruited at least ok then we probably need more of an outside type.

Yeah it really depends on what Carlton sees as the timelines for each of Setterfield, Dow, Kennedy and Kemp, and the chances of any of them becoming duds. McLean could immediately improve Carlton's midfield in 2021, but if it's expected that any of those 4 would match or overtake him within the next 2 or 3 years, and if Carlton isn't expecting to seriously contend until after 2021, then McLean ends up in the same position as you said.

Sometimes it is difficult to predict how the clubs view various talents though to be fair. Back in 2017, I thought we were overloaded for back flankers with a number of developing kids lining up for a spot, then we traded in Hayden Crozier. It astounded me at the time to see us do that, thinking he'd struggle for games and make the logjam on the half back line even worse. Instead, Crozier has become of our best and most consistent players over the last 3 years, while a couple of those half back flanker types have ended up being traded or delisted. Clearly the club knew in advance that Crozier would play a big role in our side, but to the average fan (i.e. myself) I just couldn't see it.

I'm sure Carlton would only do the same with McLean if they believe he can take a step up and firmly establish himself as one of your best midfielders. If there's any doubt, then there's no use trading him in for depth cover.

 

[BluesRule]

I think the only problem with us would be it might keep Setterfield and potentially Dow out who both struggle to play anywhere else and we would hope become as as handy as McLean anyway.
If we assume Cripps and Walsh our our two first picked mids then he would probably be in a similar position at Carlton with Setterfield and Dow or one of those two will just be in the same position that McLean is in at the Bulldogs atm. Of coarse those two might not come on but hopefully then one of Stocker, Kennedy, Kemp ect do.

just my opinion but if we have recruited at least ok then we probably need more of an outside type.

Agree with this. SOS built a balanced list so I think we have a lot of developing options (Dow looked great in practice match on weekend) and cannot just write them off because they are/were injured. (look at Fisher as a nice add back to the team). LOB has played some good footy, etc.

Balanced or an outside mid, depending on development of the current group. Zac William and/or Josh Kelly (who has now sold his Sydney house?). If not then don't reach just find the next level like Caldwell or Petruccelle who could be good fits. Venables not being used at WCE? Lets add some speed that also has some upside IMO

 

[HARKER]

Yes please.

The name McLean keeps coming up here.

I must be missing something. I don't him as a need at all. What do others see and who would he replace in our best team, all being fit?

 

[Virgin Dog]

Agree with this. SOS built a balanced list so I think we have a lot of developing options (Dow looked great in practice match on weekend) and cannot just write them off because they are/were injured. (look at Fisher as a nice add back to the team). LOB has played some good footy, etc.

Balanced or an outside mid, depending on development of the current group. Zac William and/or Josh Kelly (who has now sold his Sydney house?). If not then don't reach just find the next level like Caldwell or Petruccelle who could be good fits. Venables not being used at WCE? Lets add some speed that also has some upside IMO

There's been talk that Venables will retire this year. That concussion ruined him. Between Picken, McCartin and possibly Venables, it's quite concerning

EDIT: Should mention, Venables has been ruled out for the season, which is why he isn't playing. That's how serious the symptoms are

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Yeah it really depends on what Carlton sees as the timelines for each of Setterfield, Dow, Kennedy and Kemp, and the chances of any of them becoming duds. McLean could immediately improve Carlton's midfield in 2021, but if it's expected that any of those 4 would match or overtake him within the next 2 or 3 years, and if Carlton isn't expecting to seriously contend until after 2021, then McLean ends up in the same position as you said.

Sometimes it is difficult to predict how the clubs view various talents though to be fair. Back in 2017, I thought we were overloaded for back flankers with a number of developing kids lining up for a spot, then we traded in Hayden Crozier. It astounded me at the time to see us do that, thinking he'd struggle for games and make the logjam on the half back line even worse. Instead, Crozier has become of our best and most consistent players over the last 3 years, while a couple of those half back flanker types have ended up being traded or delisted. Clearly the club knew in advance that Crozier would play a big role in our side, but to the average fan (i.e. myself) I just couldn't see it.

I'm sure Carlton would only do the same with McLean if they believe he can take a step up and firmly establish himself as one of your best midfielders. If there's any doubt, then there's no use trading him in for depth cover.

Yeh I think we are in a funny spot where our weakest link is our midfield yet it is also where we have about 7-8 kids taken in the first round over the last 5 years who play there. The problem is imo the only one you can really 100% back into making it to a high level Is Walsh and we only have Cripps outside of that who will be around long term. Also the vast majority are more inside so surely unless we have recruited horribly we should be right.