List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[TheLeftFooters]

Fremantle have a few options back there now.

Brennan Cox has emerged as a serious talent down back. It looks as though Hogan will play down back, plus they've got Logue and Hamling too.

Given their depth, I think they would entertain offers.

There's definitely an argument to say he's worth a lot on potential, but his injury history will significantly lower his asking price. It would be the same situation for us with Marchbank. If we were to offload him now, we'd be lucky to get a pick in the 30's. Has high upside but hardly seen on the park in recent times.

Pearce would be the definition of a value pick.

Yeah that's true. He would definitely be worth it. The combo of Pearce and Weiters is enough to make your mouth water!

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Just my two cents, but I'd much rather pay big for Pearce than Papley. A premiership side can get by with sub-par small forwards, but not sub-par KPD's. Pearce and Weitering would be the best defensive duo in the comp by the length of the Flemington straight.

That being said, can't see him being moved personally.

Best game I've seen from Papley was on a wing

 

[Eiffel 65]

I think Pearce would be minimum 1st rounder, easily around the 15 mark. He's a far more complete player than Keath and younger, but agree with the rest of the points. Provides some dash as a tall defender too in a similar vein to Rance.

I'll be interested to see how it plays out if he is in fact on the trade table.

Have a feeling he'll be a player that everyone on here will be asking why didn't we target him after the trade is done.

Pearce, Williams and Saad could fix a lot of our problems in our back half.

Imagine a starting 7 defenders comprising:

Pearce (FB)
Weitering (CHB)
Jones (3rd Tall)
Docherty & Williams (Running Half Backs)
Plowman & Saad (Lockdowns)

That gives us a lot more balance

 

[TheLeftFooters]

Just my two cents, but I'd much rather pay big for Pearce than Papley. A premiership side can get by with sub-par small forwards, but not sub-par KPD's. Pearce and Weitering would be the best defensive duo in the comp by the length of the Flemington straight.

That being said, can't see him being moved personally.

My concern with Paps, is that he is clearly the most kicked to player inside Sydneys forward line. He wouldn't get as much delivery inside our F50 with Curnow and McKay leading out. I'd love to have him, but I wouldn't pay the asking price they will ask.
Id look at a Zac Langdon from GWS. Not the biggest name running around but would definitely help us out and would come cheap.

 

[TheLeftFooters]

I'll be interested to see how it plays out if he is in fact on the trade table.

Have a feeling he'll be a player that everyone on here will be asking why didn't we target him after the trade is done.

Pearce, Williams and Saad could fix a lot of our problems in our back half.

Imagine a starting 7 defenders comprising:

Pearce (FB)
Weitering (CHB)
Jones (3rd Tall)
Docherty & Williams (Running Half Backs)
Plowman & Saad (Lockdowns)

That gives us a lot more balance

Would you consider looking at Jake Kelly from Adelaide? Out of favour and can play tall and small. Would give us more depth and again, could be very cheap. I'd love to see Williams in the guts as well. So much pace and class. Getting Saad would just be amazing as well!

 

[new_blue]

These scratch matches are around getting miles into the legs and seeing traits that will translate at AFL level. I don’t think anyone saw what fisher did in the twos and thought...geez he’ll kick 4 goals in a game.

My concern is that we persist too long with the oldies. In the past we erred by handing games to young kids and playing them when they weren’t physically ready. That’s now changed. Now they’re more physically developed and hopefully have improved tanks.

The focus for the remaining part of the season should be assessing who will be our best 22 for 2021 and getting games into the 21-24yo. I don’t want games handed out, so players still feel a need to earn their spot, but there’s no way I’d be playing Murphy before Fisher or Simmo before Willo, Betts before Cunners, etc.

 

[DangerousD]

Just my two cents, but I'd much rather pay big for Pearce than Papley. A premiership side can get by with sub-par small forwards, but not sub-par KPD's. Pearce and Weitering would be the best defensive duo in the comp by the length of the Flemington straight.

That being said, can't see him being moved personally.

Before we talk about paying big for anyone, before you even consider skill, or if they are any good, look at durability. Pearce is in his 6th season of AFL and has played 53 games.

I wouldnt give up a pick inside the top 40 for him, regardless of potential.

 

[FRUMPY]

You play Dow in the Seniors for the reasons you note above re: quality of reserves matches

Imagine blokes like dow and O'Brien barely playing at all his year for 'development' etc when they are playing 12 v 12 hit and giggle games instead.....

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[ABigOlDoofus]

Before we talk about paying big for anyone, before you even consider skill, or if they are any good, look at durability. Pearce is in his 6th season of AFL and has played 53 games.

I wouldnt give up a pick inside the top 40 for him, regardless of potential.

Two words: Andrew. Russell.

Also Freo are notorious for having a poor medical staff, so maybe a change of clubs is what he needs?

EDIT: If that's the case we should immediately stop chasing Williams and B. Crouch, they get injured all the time. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and make these risky acquisitions to win a flag.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Would Freo consider trading AP for a 2nd rounder though? I rate him very highly and would be a huge get for us, but my guess is Freo wouldnt bother trading him unless they are getting something good. He is contracted for another 2 years as well.

yeh they would be absolutely mad to trade him unless they are getting a very good player back or at least a pick inside 15. The only reason they would give him up otherwise is if they think his ankle is shot

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

What is defensive pressure when it is actually not defensive pressure though?

We continue to get runs of goals kicked against us in quick succession. While that is a responsibility of everyone on the field, i would think it is an indictment on experienced so called defensive wingers.

Newnes just aint good enough and Murphy is shot. They can go ok every now and then just like anyone can when they're given the chance. But we need to get much better through the wings.

I don’t think defensive wingman can do much when the midfield are getting destroyed, same goes for our defenders.

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

Two words: Andrew. Russell.

Also Freo are notorious for having a poor medical staff, so maybe a change of clubs is what he needs?

EDIT: If that's the case we should immediately stop chasing Williams and B. Crouch, they get injured all the time. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and make these risky acquisitions to win a flag.

Not sure Russell has excelled at our club yet.

 

[katmanblue]

I like it.

The standard and physicality of the reserves games is more than a level below at the moment, it's hit and giggle stuff. No doubt that Dow has the talent, but I still think he's got some physical development to be eked out over the next 4 months, and that plus a proper preseason leading in to round 1 next year should have him ready to shoulder some major midfield responsibility.

We don't need to "see what we've got" with Dow, the club knows how good this kid can be, what we need to do is bring him in when he's properly prepared.

Dow's issues are mental though. Only way to gain confidence and composure is by playing.

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[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Not sure Russell has excelled at our club yet.

Individuals like Williamson, Kreuzer, Marchbank, Curnow will be interesting and is probably a big reason to why we got him in. As a side it’ll also probably take a few years to really see imo. So far there seems to be nothing to show for it but that could be completely irrelevant.

 

[TerryWallet]

I don’t think defensive wingman can do much when the midfield are getting destroyed, same goes for our defenders.

Experienced so called defensive wingers are supposed to, you know, provide defensive coverage for when your mids get turned over. Newnes and the current version of Murphy are not AFL wingers bootlaces imo. We're getting nothing out of our wings, minimal offense and minimal defense. And neither has an upside.

7 games , at most, left for them hopefully.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Dow's issues are mental though. Only way to gain confidence and composure is by playing (when he's ready to perform).

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I don't know if he is - gut feel is it's a bit premature. Playing him before he's ready to perform to a high standard is a pretty surefire way to have him go backwards again.

I also think his confidence is pretty inherently tied to his physical conditioning. His game is based on winning contested footy and breaking through traffic, which is hard to do if everyone is bigger and stronger than you. He can do it with his sidestep, but he can't do it consistently - and trying to break a tackle and failing is now effectively a turnover. He's looking bigger and stronger, and I'm hoping that translates to more dominant stoppage play, but I'd hate to see him rushed in and then struggle to adapt to the pace.

 

[thedan29]

Maybe. But my thinking is that Dow can still work on his core skills (reading ruck taps, ground ball gets, clearing through congestion, disposal by hand and foot, tackling etc.) at the stoppages in those games, while others (ie. LOB) can't to the same extent. Dow then gets more time to fine tune his frame and build confidence in his skill execution, he gets a full preseason with a traditional lead in to next year (assuming and praying we're back to something like normal...), and then comes into Round 1 2021 fully prepared to be our main stoppage player.

That being said, if the club thinks he's ready now - brilliant, get him in. I just have a gut feel that it's a bit premature, and there's nothing to be lost by holding him back a little longer. That's all it is though, gut feel and preference on my part, I'm happy to be patient with him to get him right because I want Dow dominating games, not jogging around looking lost.

I agree with this, the other thing it helps do is build a connection with Cripps, Curnow, Setters, Pittonet and co.. they start to learn how they work and know how to rely upon each other..

The massive issue with Dow last year was confidence whenever he got the ball in hand, he was great at weaving through traffic and breaking away from stoppages but the constant turnover kicks were damaging him. I think this pre season and a few midfield games in the reserves will boost that confidence back in him to make a comeback!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Pearce is one of the best defenders in the comp when healthy, probably only behind Andrews... so if Freo are willing to settle for anything further down the order than pick 10 and his ankle isnt cooked I'd be having a look. Has the speed and height to cover blokes like J Cameron and Max King types while Weiters is suited to out wrestling his opponents. Would be an amazing partner in crime for the next 6-7 years

Zac Williams
Alex Pearce
Some sort of classy mid
Dylan Williams

Would love to see it but Pearce would be rated so much higher internally at Freo than he'd be worth in draft picks its hard to see it happening

 

[TheLeftFooters]

Experienced so called defensive wingers are supposed to, you know, provide defensive coverage for when your mids get turned over. Newnes and the current version of Murphy are not AFL wingers bootlaces imo. We're getting nothing out of our wings, minimal offense and minimal defense. And neither has an upside.

7 games , at most, left for them hopefully.

Newnes I was against at the start but I think he has done enough and I dont think anyone is trying to take his spot, which is a worry. As for Murphy, he defensive efforts have been terrible and his decisions have been shocking. It pains me to say because I love Murph but I think he needs a spell.

 

[TheLeftFooters]

Pearce is one of the best defenders in the comp when healthy, probably only behind Andrews... so if Freo are willing to settle for anything further down the order than pick 10 and his ankle isnt cooked I'd be having a look. Has the speed and height to cover blokes like J Cameron and Max King types while Weiters is suited to out wrestling his opponents. Would be an amazing partner in crime for the next 6-7 years

Zac Williams
Alex Pearce
Some sort of classy mid
Dylan Williams

Would love to see it but Pearce would be rated so much higher internally at Freo than he'd be worth in draft picks its hard to see it happening

I think Williams is that classy mid. He has stated he wants to play midfield and he would clearly have a big role in our midfield.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Is there a bit of 'cheerleader effect' around GWS players?
Always seems to be constant exceptional talent walking out the door, who don't often equate to all that much at other clubs.

 

[TheLeftFooters]

Is there a bit of 'cheerleader effect' around GWS players?
Always seems to be constant exceptional talent walking out the door, who don't often equate to all that much at other clubs.

I think Treloar and Adams have done well. Jack Steele could be AA this year. Dylan Shiel and Devon Smith are good players, they just play at a basket case.
Who would you suggest we chase? I feel we need speed and skill. Which Williams offers both of.

 

[Stamos]

Funny how our a Carlton draft thread is not on the front page and I just had a quick look at the Adelaide board and theirs has hit 240 or so pages.

I am glad we've progressed on from looking 24/7 at who to recruit.

Will there even be a draft this year?

 

[HARKER]

Will there even be a draft this year?

At this stage it's green-lighted.

Our draft thread sure is going to be thin pickings this year though....and that's a good thing.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I think Treloar and Adams have done well. Jack Steele could be AA this year. Dylan Shiel and Devon Smith are good players, they just play at a basket case.
Who would you suggest we chase? I feel we need speed and skill. Which Williams offers both of.

Yes some of them have been good. I'm not saying don't chase Zac Williams, just worried the club will overpay like we have in the past for GWS players like Jaksch.

I'd personally prefer Papley though. Not sure why Williams is seen as a future wingman, while Papley who has surely played more games on the wing and in the centre is 'just a small forward'.