Autopsy Rd 12 Newnes wins the game for Carlton after the siren!

[branedotorg]

Pretty much, but the critical point was that even though Gibbons was closer to the boundary line when the umpire nominated the player, it was Newnes who was closer to where the mark was set.

That's what I saw and that's what I think came about. It's hard to spot, but it is there as Newnes walked towards the umpire.

think you could also say Newnes was closer to where the ball landed vs where it went out.

not that it matters the AFL are all about the vibe

 

[happydude]

think you could also say Newnes was closer to where the ball landed vs where it went out.

not that it matters the AFL are all about the vibe

Newnes Taking the free is only an issue because he kicked it. If he missed no one would care.

If Gibbons took the free and we won there'd be something else.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Just watching the replay and I feel like a proud dad seeing Tommy Williamson hang tough when he is man handled by Fyfe. Really stood his ground, hard nut, love it.

It was a great response by Williamson after squibbing that contest early. Everyone has done it and it’s how you respond that counts and he passed the test with flying colours.

 

[Graffy4242]

Tab was good for them up the ground. Provided a target and stuck a few in very average conditions.

He kicked 3 of their 5 goals too.

Of course he deserves votes.

I'd disagree he gave Wietering a bath or that this is a learning curve.

Tab won the match up for the day, beat Jacob once in the F50 on a 1v1 and was able to get his hands on it.

Basically all there is to it.

I think Teague gave him votes for the Deliberate Out of Bounds.

 

[happydude]

I think Teague gave him votes for the Deliberate Out of Bounds.

I know I did.

Play of the match

 

[Sector 7G]

Just watching the replay and I feel like a proud dad seeing Tommy Williamson hang tough when he is man handled by Fyfe. Really stood his ground, hard nut, love it.

Especially after a pretty ordinary effort in the first quarter when Fyfe took the ball off him too easily.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Pretty much, but the critical point was that even though Gibbons was closer to the boundary line when the umpire nominated the player, it was Newnes who was closer to where the mark was set.

That's what I saw and that's what I think came about. It's hard to spot, but it is there as Newnes walked towards the umpire.


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EDIT: Newnes may actually now be closer to the mark being set than for Gibbons.
The mark was not at the 50 mt line. I can actually understand how the umpire may have got this wrong, given the moment he had to nominate the player.

I don't think that screen grab is at the right time stamp, Harks.

Here is the positioning when the boundary umpire actually started to signal the OOB:



Gibbons clearly closest to the mark. But it's not like Newnes ran from the other side of the ground to try and get the ball in his hands - he was second in line by about 2m (though Eddie was about the same, I reckon). Gibbons wandered off outside the 50 to shout at the umpire up the ground, leaving Newnes to man the mark. So by the time the umpires worked out what was going on, Newnes was the one they assumed should be taking the kick.

 

[HARKER]

I don't think that screen grab is at the right time stamp, Harks.

Here is the positioning when the boundary umpire actually started to signal the OOB:

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Gibbons clearly closest to the mark. But it's not like Newnes ran from the other side of the ground to try and get the ball in his hands - he was second in line by about 2m (though Eddie was about the same, I reckon). Gibbons wandered off outside the 50 to shout at the umpire up the ground, leaving Newnes to man the mark. So by the time the umpires worked out what was going on, Newnes was the one they assumed should be taking the kick.

What happened though, was the the umpire was still trying to put the pieces together from the call down the ground.
This officiating umpire was looking up at the other umpire, when Gibbons moved back and Newnes forward and once the mark had been set, Newnes was closer.

It was wrong, but I'm only putting forward why I think it played out the way it did.




Look at it here.
If Gibbons didn't move back as far as he had, setting himself for the shot, he would have likely received the ball from the umpire.

 

[Blue__Balls]

What happened though, was the the umpire was still trying to put the pieces together from the call down the ground.
This officiating umpire was looking up at the other umpire, when Gibbons moved back and Newnes forward and once the mark had been set, Newnes was closer.

It was wrong, but I'm only putting forward why I think it played out the way it did.

Nah - I agree with you as to why it ended up the way it did - Gibbons wandered off, Newnes manned the mark, then the umpire heard the call that a down-field free kick had been paid and had to decide then who to give the ball to. Technically, when the ball crossed the line, Gibbons was closest. But at that point in time the umpires had no reason to be mentally measuring the positioning off all the Carlton players in the area.

 

[HBF]

Normally JB shits me to tears but I think in this case his excitement was perfect for the occasion.

I don't mind JB, especially when you comapre him to the other numnuts at 7.

 

[lukep_86]

I have watched the replay of Newnes goal so many times..don't think I could ever get sick of watching it TBH.

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[Aphrodite]

Ouch!

 

[Manhattanite]

Nah - I agree with you as to why it ended up the way it did - Gibbons wandered off, Newnes manned the mark, then the umpire heard the call that a down-field free kick had been paid and had to decide then who to give the ball to. Technically, when the ball crossed the line, Gibbons was closest. But at that point in time the umpires had no reason to be mentally measuring the positioning off all the Carlton players in the area.

I’m not able to do slow motion on the watch AFL app but I had assumed Newnes was keen to take the shot so presented himself as the guy closest to where the ball left. Sounds like you’re saying it was an innocent mistake by the umpires and Newnes didn’t actually intend for that to happen. But is it possible Newnes tried to set the scene for him to be awarded the shot?


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[Stamos]

I’m not able to do slow motion on the watch AFL app but I had assumed Newnes was keen to take the shot so presented himself as the guy closest to where the ball left. Sounds like you’re saying it was an innocent mistake by the umpires and Newnes didn’t actually intend for that to happen. But is it possible Newnes tried to set the scene for him to be awarded the shot?


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No, Newnes went to stand the mark from the OOBOTF, Gibbo dropped back down the field, before either knew it was our free kick. The ump pointed at Newnes, who was closest when it became clear it was our kick.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I’m not able to do slow motion on the watch AFL app but I had assumed Newnes was keen to take the shot so presented himself as the guy closest to where the ball left. Sounds like you’re saying it was an innocent mistake by the umpires and Newnes didn’t actually intend for that to happen. But is it possible Newnes tried to set the scene for him to be awarded the shot?


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No, Newnes went to stand the mark from the OOBOTF, Gibbo dropped back down the field, before either knew it was our free kick. The ump pointed at Newnes, who was closest when it became clear it was our kick.

Yep - as Stamos says, Newnes simply positions himself to man the mark, has no idea the ball is coming back to us, and then umpire runs over and starts to suss it out. Hard to tell what may have been said by any parties, but it didn't look like Newnes asked for the ball at all, and Gibbons had already cleared out.

 

[happydude]

Yep - as Stamos says, Newnes simply positions himself to man the mark, has no idea the ball is coming back to us, and then umpire runs over and starts to suss it out. Hard to tell what may have been said by any parties, but it didn't look like Newnes asked for the ball at all, and Gibbons had already cleared out.

Is this situation the biggest storm in a Teacup since Andrew Walker wore a hat????

 

[Blue__Balls]

Is this situation the biggest storm in a Teacup since Andrew Walker wore a hat????

Haha, yep. One of those "we'll never know" jobs. Maybe Gibbons would have kicked it, maybe not. Ultimately, there was no conspiracy, no cheating, no rule abuse - it was just a messy circumstance in which the umpires had to make a judgement call on very limited information.

That being said, I also find it fascinating that the "closest to the mark" rule existed in the Laws of the Game in 2017, but isn't there in the 2020 edition. I mean, technically, anyone could have been given that kick and it doesn't break the rules as they're currently written.

 

[HARKER]

Haha, yep. One of those "we'll never know" jobs. Maybe Gibbons would have kicked it, maybe not. Ultimately, there was no conspiracy, no cheating, no rule abuse - it was just a messy circumstance in which the umpires had to make a judgement call on very limited information.

That being said, I also find it fascinating that the "closest to the mark" rule existed in the Laws of the Game in 2017, but isn't there in the 2020 edition. I mean, technically, anyone could have been given that kick and it doesn't break the rules as they're currently written.

Exactly and given all that came about - Most wouldn't have wanted it any other way?
What a fillip it was for not just our club, but for the AFL as a whole.

* Interesting about your last point.
Did you look this up yourself, or has it been highlighted amongst the 27533 discussions the media have had on it, to date

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Is this situation the biggest storm in a Teacup since Andrew Walker wore a hat????

Richo ate a chicken tender once while walking and the Herald ran a story on it.

 

[happydude]

Richo ate a chicken tender once while walking and the Herald ran a story on it.

So they should.

This is what dreams are made of

 

[happydude]

Exactly and given all that came about - Most wouldn't have wanted it any other way?
What a fillip it was for not just our club, but for the AFL as a whole.

* Interesting about your last point.
Did you look this up yourself, or has it been highlighted amongst the 27533 discussions the media have had on it, to date

In earlier discussion He looked it up himself.

 

[HARKER]

In earlier discussion He looked it up himself.

OK. Thanks.

Any chance the whole football club gets fined for the mass groping after the siren?

 

[happydude]

OK. Thanks.

Any chance the whole football club gets fined for the mass groping after the siren?

If any team did, it would be us.

 

[footyfan1978]

Have we heard from Carlton players themselves, how they engineered the guy with longer kicking distance near the area, got the ball instead of Gibbons?

I seen in some footage after this that Weitering seemed to be down there and by his motioning to Newnes it looked to be of the nature. Take the ****ing shot and get the ****ing goal. I will need to re-visit to see if any footage before that on video to show if Weiters was the one to cleverly try to get someone else to take shot than Gibbons.
I sense Gibbons might be a few metres short of getting that distance so it was bloody clever however they manipulated it so Newnes that can kick a little longer ended up nearer to umpires when umps worked out what they wanted to do there.