List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[BlueTongue]

No, we can keep him on as a rookie for a 3rd season.

Has earned a spot, needs to be elevated. You dont string along players who work hard.

 

[bigm386]

Gone:

Kreuzer
Simpson
Goddard
Lang
O'Dwyer
B Silvagni
Macreadie
Moore
Polson

50/50:

Kennedy

Apparently being offered deals but surely we might reconsider:

Casboult
Murphy
Betts

Anyone see it differently to that?

I don't think we can lose all of Goodard, Macreadie and BSOS. If Weitering or Jones was injured we would have 0 backup. Would suggest we keep Macreadie. Injury issues but is talented.

Would much rather keep Polson, then Betts on the list.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I don't think we can lose all of Goodard, Macreadie and BSOS. If Weitering or Jones was injured we would have 0 backup. Would suggest we keep Macreadie. Injury issues but is talented.

Would much rather keep Polson, then Betts on the list.

will be better back ups available as DFA than Macreadie.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

With all the players together in the Hub, I imagine exit interviews will probably happen today before sending the players away for their break.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Agree with the 'Gone' except not sure on BSOS (literally know nothing about his development).
McGovern should not have a contract renewed under any circumstances. Has not played for the jumper one bit, like I posted elsewhere, I don't care how much 'upside' there is to him, the club needs to make statement that you are here to play for the jumper.

For that reason alone, Levi gets another contract. Murph is about cooked but we keep him on as depth or he retires. Betts stays unless we get Papley (unlikely) or have developed someone in his spot. Kennedy has played ok in the games he's been in, hasn't set the world alight, but unsure why he has been dropped ahead of others less deserving.

I think we keep Murph as much as a clever small forward option as a mid - there’s no g’tee we’ll get the small forward we need in the off season. He is good around goals when played there where he can use his footy smarts. Though, the forward pressure bit has me worried. After tonite, surely the likes of Cuners and Fish won’t be there as much next year and he’d give us more than Gibbo who I see as good mid depth, more than anything, in the coming years.

 

[bigm386]

With all the players together in the Hub, I imagine exit interviews will probably happen today before sending the players away for their break.

Surprised it hasn't been done earlier like Port and North to let players leave the hub.

 

[Thehurdle]

I thought I would post up some points of interest on our list demographic to make for good conversation;

I think the list below highlights the fact that we have players with very little AFL experience games wise and to also give the team a little more credit for the season we have had and improvement shown.

This team has a huge amount of upside and if we manage to trade in some quality A graders we should be able to fast track up the ladder next year.

Most teams tend to see big improvement when the majority of their best 22 hit 100-150 games played, something to keep in mind.

In Yellow players that have played under 50 games
In Green players that have played under 100 games

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Pretty fair effort for your second post. Take a bow.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Is there any real possibility graham would come to us instead of going home to Adelaide -- if he wins a second premiership think he hard to stop him going to Adelaide than us

I doubt Adelaide would even be interested. They need more dynamic types plus are chasing Hatley who also doesn’t really match what they need too much.

 

[BlueTongue]

I think we keep Murph as much as a clever small forward option as a mid - there’s no g’tee we’ll get the small forward we need in the off season. He is good around goals when played there where he can use his footy smarts. Though, the forward pressure bit has me worried. After tonite, surely the likes of Cuners and Fish won’t be there as much next year and he’d give us more than Gibbo who I see as good mid depth, more than anything, in the coming years.

Agree but I dont think Murph wants to play there. Seemed relieved and thrived when moved back into the midfield. May retire rather than go back there.

 

[1970crow]

I don't know how the club can offer Betts another year. He has been lucky to be in the team a lot of weeks.

If he does get another year it is the type of decision that can create a wedge in the club. Particularly amongst players. I can think of examples at my own amateur level where players start to question and talk behind peoples backs, it's not good for culture (I am aware local and AFL are worlds apart ).

It is sad seeing a champion like Betts come to the end but the easy thing to do is to let him play on.

It is such as important off season.

Just want to say that I was surprised they tried to play Betts every game this year. 2 years ago he said he was struggling physically getting up for each game, so whilst he would have received a huge mental freshen up, he'd still struggle physically across a season. I thought they'd have him structured to play 2/3s of the season to keep him fresh. I'm convinced he'd have been a contributor in each game he played if they'd done that. I guess it's probably the 2021 plan, but maybe a year too late.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Murphy has been extended, same as Levi maybe not formally but they have both reached triggers in their contracts that give them an extension... forget where I heard/read this.

IMO Murph needs to replace Walsh on the wing, and Walsh start in the guts. MM is a liability at a stoppage because he can not tackle and is ideally suited to that outside running game, he occasionally stuffs it up but he is one of the few players who can hit a target inside 50.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Murphy has been extended, same as Levi maybe not formally but they have both reached triggers in their contracts that give them an extension... forget where I heard/read this.

IMO Murph needs to replace Walsh on the wing, and Walsh start in the guts. MM is a liability at a stoppage because he can not tackle and is ideally suited to that outside running game, he occasionally stuffs it up but he is one of the few players who can hit a target inside 50.

But the stats say Murph had FIVE tackles last night... third most in our team...

 

[Pablito]

With all the players together in the Hub, I imagine exit interviews will probably happen today before sending the players away for their break.

We should know by Monday night I suspect.

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

Team for next season with new players in areas to improve us:

B: Plowman----------------Marchbank-------------Newman

H: Docherty----------------Weitering---------------*Saad

C: Newnes-------------------Cripps-----------------O'Brien

H: Cuningham-------------C.Curnow---------------Martin

F: *NewPlayer------------McKay-----------------*NewPlayer

Foll: *NewPlayer, Setterfield, Walsh

Bench: Williamson, SPS, Dow, McGovern

How on earth is Liam Jones not in that team?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Team for next season with new players in areas to improve us:

B: Plowman----------------Marchbank-------------Newman

H: Docherty----------------Weitering---------------*Saad

C: Newnes-------------------Cripps-----------------O'Brien

H: Cuningham-------------C.Curnow---------------Martin

F: *NewPlayer------------McKay-----------------*NewPlayer

Foll: *NewPlayer, Setterfield, Walsh

Bench: Williamson, SPS, Dow, McGovern

New ruckman? McGovern in? Marchbank FB?

I can see you've gone the no 30+ year olds route but Jones and Ed Curnow deserve to be in.

 

[Arr0w]

How on earth is Liam Jones not in that team?

Because we are going to play an injury prone, 3rd tall on monster forwards as a change up

 

[cookie monster]

If Betts goes on next year, that is extremely selfish on his behalf, and stupid on the club's.

Ditto Marc Murphy but not to the same extent

 

[The Grover]

How did we play another season and not find out if Cuningham can be a midfielder of good ability?

 

[cookie monster]

How did we play another season and not find out if Cuningham can be a midfielder of good ability?

Or SPS

 

[bigm386]

So are we still delisting Kennedy? According to some he didn't even have trade value.

23 disposals at 70% 6 clearences and 4 tackles.

Love how people expect the world of Kennedy, Polson, Plowman, Newnes, Lob, Williamson and Gibbons. Happy to scream they are shit and should be dropped delisted etc.

But are happy to give Murphy, McGovern, Casboult and co a free pass.

I'd much rather see Polson who has played 19 AFL games mind and all of 3 as a defender continue to get games at AFL level. He takes on the game and takes the risky kicks. That will pay off with time and development at AFL level.

Much rather see that then Marc Murphy who has played 285 AFL games, continue to jog around and get shrugged off when he attempts the odd tackle. Our shit his pants whenever contact comes.

But again the standards some set for our developing kids is laughable.

 

[ianh]

Or SPS

I suspect we may have our answer on Cuningham albeit that he didn't get an extended run at it. Goes missing far too often, wasting his very significant talent and the question is whether that can or will change. May need the shock of being delisted to wake up to himself, might never do. If the club believe that they can get near his best then he stays, otherwise must at least be in danger.

SPS should have been given more time in midfield when he was struggling down back but I get the desire for a settled back 7 and to be fair that was one of the silver linings of our year that our defence stood up as well as it did and a lot of that comes down to the settled unit.

As or Dow again didn't get the run at it we'd have hoped but didn't go close to impressing with the chances he had and I think there is a lot to glean from Diesel coming out publicly and saying he needs to toughen up. Fix that and get him to steady a bit before kicking and we have a good one on our hands. That is partly his fault but also says a lot about our development abilities. Okay this year was impacted by COVID and it was hard to work on development but those issues needed to be addressed earlier and yet don't seem to have been, at least not to any appreciable result.

 

[Gethelred]

Gone:

Kreuzer
Simpson
Goddard
Lang
O'Dwyer
B Silvagni
Macreadie
Moore
Polson

50/50:

Kennedy

Apparently being offered deals but surely we might reconsider:

Casboult
Murphy
Betts

Anyone see it differently to that?

Would like to keep Macreadie and - depending on the development coaches thoughts - potentially Polson, but other than that I agree.

It depends on the degree of list size reduction.

 

[Bring on Vinnie]

I'm asking for a greater understanding of what's going on, because I'm not seeing a lot of work inside the stoppage from Kennedy. I'm also getting really tired of people saying he's above average at anything to do with midfield play.

He has clean hands, fast hands and great game sense, but he loses more physical contests than he wins at the stoppage, whether it be holding his ground under pressure, or spreading from it. Like, a lot more.

He looks like the same as when he was drafted: a crafty general forward who has knee issues and appears to lack adequate pace. He should never have been pick 10.

As he coasts more in that direction, we should be looking at players like Kemp, Stocker, Philp, Dow, Setterfield and JSOS for being better at what we're hoping Kennedy can bring to our squad.

Where does he fit in with all those names already here? It's no coincidence that all bar one of those names was unavailable for selection this week, but it's in moments like that, 6 names down the depth chart, where we should be thinking differently with our tactics instead of retaining a player that doesn't really perform adequately in the role at AFL level.

Discussions like this one are why we’re the best forum on Big Footy bar none! I was firmly in the must play Kennedy in the middle camp to help out Cripps but will go back and watch more closely.

Well done for not letting your passion derail an excellent analysis/discussion.




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[Judd1400]

So are we still delisting Kennedy? According to some he didn't even have trade value.

23 disposals at 70% 6 clearences and 4 tackles.

Love how people expect the world of Kennedy, Polson, Plowman, Newnes, Lob, Williamson and Gibbons. Happy to scream they are sh*t and should be dropped delisted etc.

But are happy to give Murphy, McGovern, Casboult and co a free pass.

I'd much rather see Polson who has played 19 AFL games mind and all of 3 as a defender continue to get games at AFL level. He takes on the game and takes the risky kicks. That will pay off with time and development at AFL level.

Much rather see that then Marc Murphy who has played 285 AFL games, continue to jog around and get shrugged off when he attempts the odd tackle. Our sh*t his pants whenever contact comes.

But again the standards some set for our developing kids is laughable.

Agree too much respect on here for the older players who seem get away with sub standard performances whilst those that are young are turned on.
Watching Casboult get outmarked by a midget yesterday was disgusting.
In fact his second half of this rear he could hardly take a mark.
As for Betts we could have had Butler for another 6-7 years yet Teague wanted Betts.


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[DirkDiggler]

Murphy has been extended, same as Levi maybe not formally but they have both reached triggers in their contracts that give them an extension... forget where I heard/read this.

IMO Murph needs to replace Walsh on the wing, and Walsh start in the guts. MM is a liability at a stoppage because he can not tackle and is ideally suited to that outside running game, he occasionally stuffs it up but he is one of the few players who can hit a target inside 50.

And when the opposition have the ball we are literally playing with 17 on the field. Some ageing former stars dont know how to retire gracefully. A club with a strong culture would have managed him out.