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Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists
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Isn’t the money GWS saves by not paying Cameron the compensation?
Remember a discussion early days that a compensation pick was even too much in FA
It’s all designed for player power not Club satisfaction
Anyway I have zero sympathy
Not too long ago our Captain walked out and the club was on its knees.. people forget that with the rich get richer argument don’t they.
Remember a discussion early days that a compensation pick was even too much in FA
It’s all designed for player power not Club satisfaction
Anyway I have zero sympathy
Not too long ago our Captain walked out and the club was on its knees.. people forget that with the rich get richer argument don’t they.
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It's a pretty whack system when offering an uncontracted player a responsible/reasonable deal because he genuinely wants to come to your club (ie. it's not just about money) means you have to trade for him, but when you lure a player in with a huge, wildly irresponsible contract, you get him for free.
It punishes the well run club who attracted a player on merit over money, and punishes a club that loses a player to a ridiculous contract they can't possibly match (Hawks and Buddy). If a club loses a player to something other than money, maybe they need to get their shit in order. And on the flip side, you are encouraging clubs to dish out harmful long term contracts in an effort to avoid having to trade. The incentives of the system are completely backward.
It punishes the well run club who attracted a player on merit over money, and punishes a club that loses a player to a ridiculous contract they can't possibly match (Hawks and Buddy). If a club loses a player to something other than money, maybe they need to get their shit in order. And on the flip side, you are encouraging clubs to dish out harmful long term contracts in an effort to avoid having to trade. The incentives of the system are completely backward.
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Good point.
This bloke. Pops up a month ago and spends time on every Geel trade thread on BF like he’s Stephen Wells telling us how it will go down.
We haven’t forgotten you mentioning that the 80 game, currently suspended Brad Crouch is worth pick 7 in a trade scenario.
The issue with unrestricted free agency is that the match and trade basically makes them a regular OOC player and removed the freedom free agancy was supposed to give
What if Cameron (or Daniher for that matter) simply wants out and money isn't a factor. GWS matches, a trade doesn't happen and he is stuck with the choice between stay at the club he wants or of, or the PSD where the destination could be anywhere.
I would scrap match and trade and simply give teams extra cash to retain players.
You have say 20-25% outside the cap on top of an offer and the player can choose to stay for the extra money or go.
If they go then work out the compensation pick
What if Cameron (or Daniher for that matter) simply wants out and money isn't a factor. GWS matches, a trade doesn't happen and he is stuck with the choice between stay at the club he wants or of, or the PSD where the destination could be anywhere.
I would scrap match and trade and simply give teams extra cash to retain players.
You have say 20-25% outside the cap on top of an offer and the player can choose to stay for the extra money or go.
If they go then work out the compensation pick
Interesting observation... but is there an alternative. The system is fairly socialist as it is ... we could remove comp from FA. We could reduce FA to 4 years ..and that would ensure the system is closer to a 'real' situation ... as its flaws are a consequence of the levers in the system.... and at least with picks ..its not clearance fees ..which nearly sent the comp broke.
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What does ‘XOH’ mean?
EDIT: GWS player Xavier O'Halloran
EDIT: GWS player Xavier O'Halloran
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Relax boys.
I hear a lot of noise coming out of the GWS camp.
Remember it is like a messy break-up of sorts.
1st the DENIAL. They met with him last week with the last grasp hope of swaying him to stay.
2nd the ANGER. Matthews & Co are fuming. He says we want at least 2 1st rounders and senior players... Da da da... etc etc...
3rd the BARGAINING.
Reality sets in.
What is available to us?? Can we match?? Will we match?? Can we afford to match?? Implicatiuons of it??
Geel has Picks #11, #13, #18, #35?? Which will be probably 13/15/20 after comp picks for Daniher and Williams.
COMP pick #10 along with #11 for Zac Williams. Add to that the Hately & Corr picks.
4th DEPRESSION. Dammm he is GONE. Never coming back. So sad too bad life goes on.
5th ACCEPTANCE. Ok Ok... We take 10 & 11 along with 21(Crows) and #40? Corr comp.
So whats out there to trade for or acquire for them ??
Ben Brown?? Jesse Hogan?? Peter Wright?? De Goey?? Crouch?? Talia?? Seedsman?? Tom Phillips??
Mihocek?? Blakely?? The McDonald brothers?? Carlisle?? Ronke?? Dunkley??
and then there is the we have to hang on to... Taranto, Caldwell, XOH etc etc... Even Jake Riccardi will command some serious coin IMO.
FWIW Our 5 year/4 million ish?? contract wont get matched IMO.
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I hear a lot of noise coming out of the GWS camp.
Remember it is like a messy break-up of sorts.
1st the DENIAL. They met with him last week with the last grasp hope of swaying him to stay.
2nd the ANGER. Matthews & Co are fuming. He says we want at least 2 1st rounders and senior players... Da da da... etc etc...
3rd the BARGAINING.
Reality sets in.
What is available to us?? Can we match?? Will we match?? Can we afford to match?? Implicatiuons of it??
Geel has Picks #11, #13, #18, #35?? Which will be probably 13/15/20 after comp picks for Daniher and Williams.
COMP pick #10 along with #11 for Zac Williams. Add to that the Hately & Corr picks.
4th DEPRESSION. Dammm he is GONE. Never coming back. So sad too bad life goes on.
5th ACCEPTANCE. Ok Ok... We take 10 & 11 along with 21(Crows) and #40? Corr comp.
So whats out there to trade for or acquire for them ??
Ben Brown?? Jesse Hogan?? Peter Wright?? De Goey?? Crouch?? Talia?? Seedsman?? Tom Phillips??
Mihocek?? Blakely?? The McDonald brothers?? Carlisle?? Ronke?? Dunkley??
and then there is the we have to hang on to... Taranto, Caldwell, XOH etc etc... Even Jake Riccardi will command some serious coin IMO.
FWIW Our 5 year/4 million ish?? contract wont get matched IMO.
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Xavier O'Halloran. GWS players drafted last year.
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Yup, which is the compo pick they'd get, so no point matching.
Really, I don't know why clubs don't take the compo pick whilst agreeing to do a side deal if they want more. It's a free pick for ****s sake
If we could trade one of our 1st rounders for one of their kids as overs, or as part of a 3 way deal that would be to their benefit I think that would be fair.
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I think thats a realistic outcome if there is a player on gws list that we like who is willing to come.
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They won’t match so it won’t get to that sort of madness
So now we have to either find
a) A GWS kid that's got potential (like a Caldwell or XOH) that wants to come or
b) A 3rd club where someone from GWS goes there, and someone from the 3rd club comes to us
The more you compare it to all the other trades pick 9 is actually overs.
dangerfield was 2-3 years younger when we got him. He was traded for pick 9 and pick 28. Those 2-3 years at his peak was worth a lot more then pick 28.
dangerfield was 2-3 years younger when we got him. He was traded for pick 9 and pick 28. Those 2-3 years at his peak was worth a lot more then pick 28.
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I mentioned the hawks pick swap as they might go for it as they need talent.
The other option is if we really are into crouch and gws wont budge re cameron we tell adelaide we will inflate crouchs salary to band 1 on the condition they trade us the pick-eg they get 2 and trade it to us for 11 and 13 with whatever other swaps are needed. If the points are equal enough the afl cant block it then gws know we can take cameron at 2 in the draft if they match so they are really backed into taking the compo.
I doubt we would be that nuclear as we like to preserve our relationship with other clubs but ots a real option if both crouch and cameron are coming.
The other option is if we really are into crouch and gws wont budge re cameron we tell adelaide we will inflate crouchs salary to band 1 on the condition they trade us the pick-eg they get 2 and trade it to us for 11 and 13 with whatever other swaps are needed. If the points are equal enough the afl cant block it then gws know we can take cameron at 2 in the draft if they match so they are really backed into taking the compo.
I doubt we would be that nuclear as we like to preserve our relationship with other clubs but ots a real option if both crouch and cameron are coming.
Yep its completely backwards.
And it actively encourages movement of the best players from low teams to top teams ala Lynch. The low teams know the compo pick will be better than any pick they receive from a top team. And the top teams know they do not have to offer the crazy contract, just something good enough to get a compo pick.
If a low team does not have the salary cap space to match an offer from a top team then something is very wrong. But they will most likely always take the compo pick as its too good to refuse.
Just look at the current way Adelaide are trying to handle Crouch.
The current RFA system is very flawed.
Anyone have access to the jay Clark HS article today?
I suspect its because they know there would be kick back... I agree with it ..but every other club that gets pushed down from a comp pick will not love it... they will hate it with a passion
Not much in it really...
Jeremy Cameron walks out on GWS Giants, set to join Geelong in 2021
GWS are ready to play hard ball with Geelong after Jeremy Cameron sensationally walked out on the Sydney side. Jay Clark outlines what the Giants want, and how far the Cats are from offering it.
Geelong has won the race to sign GWS Giants’ superstar Jeremy Cameron in a massive boost to the club’s premiership hopes for next season.
Cameron, 27, told Giants’ coach Leon Cameron late Monday he wanted to continue his career at the Cats in 2021, where he will partner gun spearhead Tom Hawkins in attack.
But GWS has already indicated it is prepared to match the Cats’ free agency bid in an attempt to secure two first-round picks from Geelong in a trade for Cameron.
If the Giants don’t match they have to accept pick No. 10 as free agency compensation, which is widely seen as an underwhelming return for one of the best key forwards in the game.
Giants’ chief executive Dave Matthews said the club wanted a decent return for Cameron’s departure.
“The ball is in Geelong’s court to see whether they can satisfy us with a trade,” Matthews said last night.
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