Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[fronkalicious]

If we keep Richards, he absolutely has to go to half-back, with Daniel and JJ moving on to the wing.

 

[Cadillac]

If we keep Richards, he absolutely has to go to half-back, with Daniel and JJ moving on to the wing.

I hope we do keep Richards. He’s one of a handful of players on our list who has the ability to break the lines. Our playing group severely lacks that kind of leg speed.

 

[ManOfClay]

I’m sure a few of you wouldn’t mouth off at opposition fans in the stands like this.

if you aren’t prepared to do it there it’s not much use playing internet tough guy

 

[Charlie Bucket]

So what do we think is a reasonable price for Treloar? Trade wise and salary wise??

For me? The 5 years is scary. I love him as a player though. Like Chris Paul in the NBA, the size of his contract has confused how good he is as a player. Treloar is awesome.

So..

Salary - $500k is the max I would go to. If we miss out, so be it.

Trade - I’d dangle Richards and a future 3rd. Again, if we can miss, we miss. Gut feel is his value is super low now, and Eddie wants Richards so so bad....

That would leave our Dunkley trade bounty to use elsewhere.

I’m all aboard the Treloar train now!!

Would happily renegotiate a 3-4 yr deal with him at $600k with Pies covering $1-150k.
Pretty much what our next Dunks contract would’ve cost us.

I’m also coming around to a 1st and AMT in a deal with the Bombers.

1st to Pies for Treloar and change for JUH, Dunks to Ess for future 1st and AMT, Martin pre season draft, Hannan 3rd, JUH with what’s left over this year.

Take 2 1sts in to next year and potentially use to bring in established player/s then.

Treloar
AMT
Martin
Hannan
JUH

Our list is improved by a fair way with those ins. It’s also shaken up a bit which probably needs to happen.

Not too much of a reach thinking those trades could get done imo.

 

[Roscoe_au]

Hope we’re seriously considering Stephenson from Collingwood, but wondering whether Jack Higgins would be worth a go? Particularly if we can’t get Stepho.
I will admit I did search up the age of his “brother” Shaun Higgins

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and reminisced about his silky skills. His trade could come down to the wire if Geelong has to throw the sink at the plastics and he might consider approaches from other clubs. He’s definitely not going back to Norf.
Imagine him healthy Like he has been the last 2 years playing high half forward and delivering deep inside 50...
Might be a nice fairy tale end and is an upgrade on Suckling IMO

 

[House_of_Dahl]

So what do we think is a reasonable price for Treloar? Trade wise and salary wise??

For me? The 5 years is scary. I love him as a player though. Like Chris Paul in the NBA, the size of his contract has confused how good he is as a player. Treloar is awesome.

So..

Salary - $500k is the max I would go to. If we miss out, so be it.

Trade - I’d dangle Richards and a future 3rd. Again, if we can miss, we miss. Gut feel is his value is super low now, and Eddie wants Richards so so bad....

That would leave our Dunkley trade bounty to use elsewhere.

I'd much rather offer Dale (who Eddie also loves) as part of the trade rather than Richards.

I'd consider up to 650 x 4. Only consider if Dunks goes though.

 

[Doggy]

It is amazing that Essendope supporters think we should just hand over Dunkley while they are now trying to keep Saad

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I’m all aboard the Treloar train now!!

Would happily renegotiate a 3-4 yr deal with him at $600k with Pies covering $1-150k.
Pretty much what our next Dunks contract would’ve cost us.

I’m also coming around to a 1st and AMT in a deal with the Bombers.

1st to Pies for Treloar and change for JUH, Dunks to Ess for future 1st and AMT, Martin pre season draft, Hannan 3rd, JUH with what’s left over this year.

Take 2 1sts in to next year and potentially use to bring in established player/s then.

Treloar
AMT
Martin
Hannan
JUH

Our list is improved by a fair bit with those ins. It’s also shaken up a bit which probably needs to happen.

Not too much of a reach thinking those trades could get done imo.

That would be a very good outcome imo

 

[Munnez]

Disagree, I thought he said what a lot of us here have been saying.

It's up to Essendon to come to us with a compelling trade otherwise we are happy to welcome him back.

He put it on Essendon to come up with something significant. Not weak at all.

Absolutely put the onus on Essington to put a compelling offer to us. Just keep on adding Dodo we will tell you when it's enough or else it's time to be quiet and slink away

 

[Contador]

It is amazing that Essendope supporters think we should just hand over Dunkley while they are now trying to keep Saad

Do you spend your whole day reading the Essendon board?

 

[Northernsoul74]

If it’s future firsts we’re going for then Essendons own has to be one of them. None of this Ports BS.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

The big thing in 2015-16 was that there was a total buy-in from the whole squad. Disruptive influences affected our performance in subsequent years. We can’t afford to keep even one player whose heart is not 100% committed so best if Josh goes. He’s burnt his bridges with us.

Yep the more I think about it the more I agree, also it’s interesting that his meters gained stat is not as good as our other midfielders

 

[ard79]

I really hope we play Martin and English together. Like, a normal team.....for once.

Martin as number 1 ruck and English forward?

Not sure Martin is capable of playing forward for long periods.


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[Bro_Pro]

If we keep Richards, he absolutely has to go to half-back, with Daniel and JJ moving on to the wing.

Why would Bevo put him in a spot that he’s good at !! What’s wrong with the wing then halfback then half forward then wing then halfback!! I feel you mate I hope he has a good preseason and cements himself in halfback next year and is not moved around.

It’s a big year for Bevo next year, he has to stop constantly moving the chess pieces around. Obviously I get you have to sometimes move guys into different positions in games for structure but half the time the guys can’t be consistent because of the constant moving.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

We are not getting Treloar at 500k a year, Collingwood are not paying 400k of his contract, that defeats the purpose of offloading his contract. To put in perspective we paid 500k to sit Trengove in reserves all year this year, take him and Dunkley off books more than pays the 700k we would need for Treloar.

Yeah but 700k on one player is different to spread over a couple. What if he gets injured again and how many years would we be committed

 

[True Dog]

I'd like Tippa too, but it would take a lot more than just him to satisfy the deal. He didn't have a fantastic 2020 and even so he would have been our second leading goalkicker with his 19. In 2019 he kicked 32 goals and had 18 goal assists, which means he'd have been second to Lloyd in goals, and third to Bont and Macrae in assists. He's been ranked in the top 10 for tackles inside 50 in the comp three years in a row.

If AMT and a first that we turned into Treloar was the outcome of Dunks moving on I’d be a happy camper.. Firstly AMT leaving the bummers would hurt them even more with what they are already have walking out the door and would sour their smugness in obtaining Dunks. Secondly and more importantly I think he will thrive in our team, give us that speed we need in our fwd 50 and next to Wallis we’ll have two tackling beasts. Personally I don’t think he’s as bad as many on here think but do coincide he’s more down hill skier than match winner but having him and JUH in the same forward line is an exciting prospect for this old dog.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

I’m all aboard the Treloar train now!!

Would happily renegotiate a 3-4 yr deal with him at $600k with Pies covering $1-150k.
Pretty much what our next Dunks contract would’ve cost us.

I’m also coming around to a 1st and AMT in a deal with the Bombers.

1st to Pies for Treloar and change for JUH, Dunks to Ess for future 1st and AMT, Martin pre season draft, Hannan 3rd, JUH with what’s left over this year.

Take 2 1sts in to next year and potentially use to bring in established player/s then.

Treloar
AMT
Martin
Hannan
JUH

Our list is improved by a fair way with those ins. It’s also shaken up a bit which probably needs to happen.

Not too much of a reach thinking those trades could get done imo.

No way should we be sending a first round pick to Collingwood for Treloar. If he’s prepared to renegotiate his contract then he’s doing Collingwood a massive favour to get the deal done. We don’t then reward the Pies with a first rounder.

I’d be annoyed if we handed over anymore than a 3rd rounder. He’s not a position of need and the Pies have backed themselves into a corner. Either we make out like bandits or move on to more pressing areas of concern.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

No way should we be sending a first round pick to Collingwood for Treloar. If he’s prepared to renegotiate his contract then he’s doing Collingwood a massive favour to get the deal done. We don’t then reward the Pies with a first rounder.

I’d be annoyed if we handed over anymore than a 3rd rounder. He’s not a position of need and the Pies have backed themselves into a corner. Either we make out like bandits or move on to more pressing areas of concern.

Pies aren’t going to let him go for a 3rd rounder. Not on this planet anyway. Regardless of the situation, clubs will pay what they have to and right now, there would be multiple clubs looking at Treloar.

Our 1st for Treloar PLUS picks for JUH is what I suggested.
From what we are hearing, our 1st will be used to get JUH. Using the 1st to do that and get Treloar is a far better result than what’s potentially going to happen, just getting JUH.

 

[Doggy]

Do you spend your whole day reading the Essendon board?

Nothing to do with their board. Have not been there in a while

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

I absolutely agree with you.

To clarify, I do like Beveridge and think he’s a good coach.

I in fact should really withdraw making sarcastic comments like the one I did about Gowers.

But I find some of the things he’s been doing in the last few years extremely questionable.

I can’t stand our ruck strategy on two fronts:

1. English is clearly overworked and has been for a while, yet Beveridge and the MC refuse to play a second ruckman

2. playing midfielders like Dunkley and Macrae in the ruck is simply ridiculous. I wouldn’t mind our strategy in the ruck I’d say, English was off the ground, we play say Naughton, Bruce (who has been used well in the ruck), or even Cordy - players with actual height, as the spare or second ruck. Not pint sized midfielders like Macrae or Dunkley who are easily swatted aside by opponents larger and stronger than them.

I also can’t stand how Bevo has played favourites with the likes of Gowers, Gardner, Hayes after they’ve played stinkers (often several in a row) when better players like West, Young, even premiership player McLean gets dropped for the slightest drop in form and then either have to wait or don’t get a look in for weeks.

The situation with Dunkley - and I could be wrong - seems to me to have been a problem Bevo has contributed to.

There’s lots of conjecture out there and I don’t profess to knowing the full story about why he wants out, but he has been used ridiculously as a ruckman and not played as many minutes in the midfield and if he’s not happy about that, doesn’t take a genius to figure out who are the ones playing/not playing him in those roles.

I think it more complex than this board will admit to
1 with the rucks he clearly didn’t believe that Sweet was up to it and to play him and English means you are down a midfielder and that could have cost us games
2 the whole stop gap ruck was a tactical response to our lack of a 2nd ruck and we in fact won some of those games including against Melb who had a ruckman some posters said we should chase. Did it work everytime? No of course not but we needed to give English some respites and the tactic no different to what the Tigers did in 2017 where they effectively copied Bevos template. They changed when their ruck situation changed bu5 note they won with one ruckman this year
3 this whole favourites thing is overplayed. Coaches have their favourites because players do the right team thing and sometimes the team has a need that’s required. Players like you mention West are young and need that discipline reinforced and sometimes you get short term pain for long term gain.

The Dunks thing is a mystery but I will say this. If he is leaving because of lack of midfield or the occasional stints in the ruck (which btw is in the midfield) then he is not the leader or player we thought he was. The game he polled BOG in this year he played most of it forward.

If this is the real reason then I will drive him from the Whitten Oval avoiding the carpark pothole on the way out and push him out the door at the end of the Tulla where he can have all the easy midfield time he likes. If he wanted the midfield position back stop sooking and earn it back!

 

[Northernsoul74]

No way should we be sending a first round pick to Collingwood for Treloar. If he’s prepared to renegotiate his contract then he’s doing Collingwood a massive favour to get the deal done. We don’t then reward the Pies with a first rounder.

I’d be annoyed if we handed over anymore than a 3rd rounder. He’s not a position of need and the Pies have backed themselves into a corner. Either we make out like bandits or move on to more pressing areas of concern.

I’d still prefer to keep any Treloar trade separate from screwing Essendon for Dunkley.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

I loved the 2016 flag as much as the next arseh*le - but please look up the definition of a fluke.

“A surprising piece of luck.”

Given results before and after i’m not sure how you can say you’re certain it wasn’t a fluke.

Doesn’t mean we didn’t win the flag though.

Because fluke implies their was not much other than luck and that was clearly not the case when you win 4 finals on the trot 2 interstate 1 against the reigning premiers. A fluke would be something much less like a Stephen Bradbury

 

[The Inbetweener]

What we would pay for Treloar would be dependant on how much of his wage we would pay for.

im also of the belief any deal for him needs to be seperate from Dunkley on the high possibility Dodoro doesn’t offer what we want.

Opposition fans - it may surprise you, but I’m not Sam Power

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Dogs 2021 2nd - Treloar (with Dogs taking on FULL contract, provided we can do what Carlton did with Jack Martin

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and put most of it into year 1)

Dogs 2020 1st (14) - Pies 2021 1st (Pies are keen to do this)

Dogs Dunkley - Essendon 2021 1st, 2 x 2020 2nd rounders (one of these can be from Fantasia, they’d have to find another)

that would give us enough points for Jamarra, bring in Treloar and have 3 2021 1st.

negative is taking a hit in our cap.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

I think it more complex than this board will admit to
1 with the rucks he clearly didn’t believe that Sweet was up to it and to play him and English means you are down a midfielder and that could have cost us games
2 the whole stop gap ruck was a tactical response to our lack of a 2nd ruck and we in fact won some of those games including against Melb who had a ruckman some posters said we should chase. Did it work everytime? No of course not but we needed to give English some respites and the tactic no different to what the Tigers did in 2017 where they effectively copied Bevos template. They changed when their ruck situation changed bu5 note they won with one ruckman this year
3 this whole favourites thing is overplayed. Coaches have their favourites because players do the right team thing and sometimes the team has a need that’s required. Players like you mention West are young and need that discipline reinforced and sometimes you get short term pain for long term gain.

The Dunks thing is a mystery but I will say this. If he is leaving because of lack of midfield or the occasional stints in the ruck (which btw is in the midfield) then he is not the leader or player we thought he was. The game he polled BOG in this year he played most of it forward.

If this is the real reason then I will drive him from the Whitten Oval avoiding the carpark pothole on the way out and push him out the door at the end of the Tulla where he can have all the easy midfield time he likes. If he wanted the midfield position back stop sooking and earn it back!

Nail on the head. You make a lot of sense every time you post BL. It’s a pleasure to read!!

 

[Pocket Terrace]

I’m sure a few of you wouldn’t mouth off at opposition fans in the stands like this.

if you aren’t prepared to do it there it’s not much use playing internet tough guy

It depends on which opposition club. If it’s Essendon in recent years, probably not, as they’ve all cleared out by half time.