Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt2

[cats_09]

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[sydney_gws]

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We needed to get a legit ruck prospect in Neale. I don’t expect Tsapatolis to even play afl at all. If he does that’s great but he’s just purely a swing for the fences. His lack of footy puts him so far behind Neale.

Apologies from gws for stuffing up yours and ours trade period. We should have accepted compensation pick for cameron, with an "understanding" that the next time we trade you owe us a favour. This is I think what happened with sydney and hawthorn (with hawthorn paying under for tom mitchell)

 

[thejester]

Forgetting what we paid for Holmes, I like the 3 picks. Outside run is clearly a weakness and now with Holmes to develop alongside Clark we have a couple of decent young wingers. We desperately needed to add a development ruck and Neale is the best in this years draft pool. Whilst we are well stocked for hbf’s, I don’t rate Kolo and O’Connor could decide to return to Ireland after another season or so. Stewart isn’t a kid either.

Next year though we need to go for mids, mids and more mids. Do what North did this year. We are very quickly going to fall if we don’t bring some quality ball winners in with Selwood, Danger and Duncan coming to their ends.

It is a long way off and I'm always suspicious of narratives around deep drafts but that was my first thought when reading about the two second rounders included with the Cameron trade. Guys who are full time mids for their club sides get pushed to the flanks or second rotation by the superstars in the state sides, and they're always there in the second round.

 

[strauchnyy]

There any vision?

 

[bellpark]

It is a long way off and I'm always suspicious of narratives around deep drafts but that was my first thought when reading about the two second rounders included with the Cameron trade. Guys who are full time mids for their club sides get pushed to the flanks or second rotation by the superstars in the state sides, and they're always there in the second round.

Agree - the strategy looks really sound - An apprentice winger, tall forward/ruck and tall/small backman this year all with elite characteristics (we are now well stocked with KP back and forward and ruck prospects to develop), and next year with 3 second rounders, take 3 mids in a strong draft.
If you look at our list as it is now, the level of depth is scary and will need good management when so many good players will need games to develop them. Really earning Senior Games is key to success, and our VFL team is starting to look like pretty serious unit in 2021.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Just to confirm is our list full now? Which means we won’t be participating in the rookie draft or pre season draft today. Interesting the Baldwin and Walsh weren’t drafted. They might get rookied today.

 

[Turbocat]

Apologies from gws for stuffing up yours and ours trade period. We should have accepted compensation pick for cameron, with an "understanding" that the next time we trade you owe us a favour. This is I think what happened with sydney and hawthorn (with hawthorn paying under for tom mitchell)

Some sort of arrangement could have been reached that would have seen both clubs end with more imo. ...but I think GWS were intent on pegs in the ground and who had the biggest swangdangle. For example I suspect we would have traded a higher pick for Caldwell that Ess gave you ...

The annoying part of the narrative form me was the constant assertion that GWS need to maximise the Cameron deal etc... with little credit given to him already having played 1 more year than most Free Agents... by 9 years ...players should be able to move with the type of the last minute theatrics that happened.

I guess we will see if Bruhn was worth the combat

 

[catempire]

interestingly after the draft Geelong is no longer the oldest side by average age.. that mantle belongs to St Kilda

We actually had the 4th oldest list in 2020 behind Collingwood, West Coast and Hawthorn.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

I totally agree holmes would have gone by 25 i just would have offered richmond essendons future 2nd and maybe a future 3rd or 4th i wouldnt have risked touching our future 1st..but i really like the pick its only the price im not a fan of.

If the Cats end near the top of the ladder next year (hopefully premiers) then that future first-round pick for next year will probably end up being pick 20ish anyway, so it didn't bother me.

 

[Turbocat]

If the Cats end near the top of the ladder next year (hopefully premiers) then that future first-round pick for next year will probably end up being pick 20ish anyway, so it didn't bother me.

IF... It will depend on FA's and Father Sons ..as well as our season. Something will have to go really wrong for it to be worth better than P15

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Agree - the strategy looks really sound - An apprentice winger, tall forward/ruck and tall/small backman this year all with elite characteristics (we are now well stocked with KP back and forward and ruck prospects to develop), and next year with 3 second rounders, take 3 mids in a strong draft.
If you look at our list as it is now, the level of depth is scary and will need good management when so many good players will need games to develop them. Really earning Senior Games is key to success, and our VFL team is starting to look like pretty serious unit in 2021.

Great analysis bellpark
We've added 3 best 22 in Cameron, Smith and Higgins and still managed to pick 3 kids who fill obvious needs ( in a few years)
Whether they make it or not is yet to be determined but they're all in now with a show

I like your point about strategy and without being obvious Wells and co clearly work a long way in advance.
Case in point is a mate who has a very promising under ager eligible in 2021 - Geelong has a zoom with him next week as a general introduction for both parties. We are the only AFL Club so far who has reached out which speaks to our proactiveness.
My takeaway from that is we've probably been tracking these kids for quite some time, unlike some of the tone on the draft thread which intimated we pulled Holmes out of obscurity.

 

[terry_bright]

I agree there is a chance it could be 20 for 20 but it could also end up being pick 8. Which is why i would have offered richmond one of our future 2nds and a 3rd and then walked away and let melbourne take holmes when richmond asked for a future 1st. That said i think holmes can be very very good i just dont like the price risk.

Best part of the night for me is getting Neale though great pick.

This is an argument for me that makes no sense.
What we gave up for Holmes is insignificance as to what Holmes becomes as a player. If he turns into a 200+ game player and/or wins a B&F then what we paid for him now is totally irrelevant. Even if it turns out to be potentially pick 8 in next years draft as you stated no one will care if he becomes a regular best 22 player for 10 years.
I don't know how people (particularly posters on here) can make that call without seeing him play. Yes you can make call on whether we got it right, but not now, in 3-5 years yeah you can.
As for price risk what does that even mean? Every draft pick comes with an element of risk, whether it be pick 1 (Watts, McCartin) or pick 100.
IMO draft picks (particularly early picks) are massively overrated, and we as a club have proven that over the years. As has the likes of St.Kilda, Carlton, Freo & Melb for the opposite reasons.

And on a side note, whats with all these Winners and Losers from draft night articles? Complete and utter clickbait BS. Some club won the draft because they took player X at pick 50 says some 2 bit overnight draft expert. How the f$%k would they know. Would rather listen to the list managers who have watched these kids play than some 3rd rate journo who has read a big footy phantom draft and now thinks he know everything.

 

[BennyGan]

The guy at ESPN gave us a D+ and Tigers an A lol. He must really rate next year a lot higher than this year. Cause all tigers took was a ruck that wasn’t expected to be drafted and Rioli FS who was always projected to go 40+.

 

[Turbocat]

Agree - the strategy looks really sound - An apprentice winger, tall forward/ruck and tall/small backman this year all with elite characteristics (we are now well stocked with KP back and forward and ruck prospects to develop), and next year with 3 second rounders, take 3 mids in a strong draft.
If you look at our list as it is now, the level of depth is scary and will need good management when so many good players will need games to develop them. Really earning Senior Games is key to success, and our VFL team is starting to look like pretty serious unit in 2021.

We still lack the cornerstone. So I suspect we will have to still try to look elsewhere for that when needed.

 

[Turbocat]

The guy at ESPN gave us a D+ and Tigers an A lol. He must really rate next year a lot higher than this year. Cause all tigers took was a ruck that wasn’t expected to be drafted and Rioli FS who was always projected to go 40+.

Knightmare?

 

[BennyGan]

Knightmare?

Yep

 

[Turbocat]

Yep

so be it.... he rated Henry in the 40's so Im not sure he is on song this year

 

[Turbocat]

swell to be on SEN after the rookie draft

 

[year of the cat]

swell to be on SEN after the rookie draft

When is the rookie draft?

 

[Wojcinski]

We actually had the 4th oldest list in 2020 behind Collingwood, West Coast and Hawthorn.

Yeah I know but I'm talking current list age

Club	Senior List	Rookies	Average Age	Age Rank↧	Average Games	Games Rank	Average Goals	Goals Rank	Average Votes	Votes Rank
St Kilda	36 players	3 (+1 cat B)	25.4 years	1st	80.6 games	3rd	38.6 goals	9th	9.6 votes	11th
Geelong	38 players	4 (+2 cat B)	25.4 years	2nd	88.0 games	1st	73.5 goals	1st	18.9 votes	1st
West Coast	37 players	3 (+0 cat B)	25.3 years	3rd	84.0 games	2nd	58.7 goals	2nd	13.9 votes	3rd
Western Bulldogs	36 players	4 (+1 cat B)	25.0 years	4th	70.9 games	6th	36.1 goals	12th	11.4 votes	7th
Richmond	35 players	5 (+1 cat B)	25.0 years	5th	78.4 games	4th	57.0 goals	3rd	14.4 votes	2nd
Hawthorn	36 players	5 (+1 cat B)	24.8 years	6th	73.5 games	5th	53.6 goals	5th	10.5 votes	8th
Melbourne	36 players	4 (+1 cat B)	24.7 years	7th	70.0 games	9th	36.9 goals	11th	10.4 votes	10th
Sydney	36 players	3 (+2 cat B)	24.6 years	8th	69.2 games	10th	56.7 goals	4th	13.3 votes	5th
Collingwood	34 players	2 (+4 cat B)	24.6 years	9th	68.9 games	11th	43.0 goals	7th	13.1 votes	6th
Greater Western Sydney	36 players	4 (+1 cat B)	24.6 years	10th	59.4 games	14th	28.9 goals	17th	9.4 votes	12th
Carlton	36 players	4 (+1 cat B)	24.5 years	11th	70.2 games	8th	44.7 goals	6th	8.8 votes	13th
Port Adelaide	36 players	3 (+1 cat B)	24.4 years	12th	70.7 games	7th	42.3 goals	8th	13.4 votes	4th
Fremantle	36 players	4 (+1 cat B)	24.2 years	13th	60.2 games	13th	29.2 goals	16th	10.5 votes	9th
North Melbourne	36 players	3 (+1 cat B)	24.0 years	14th	61.5 games	12th	29.4 goals	15th	7.1 votes	17th
Essendon	36 players	3 (+2 cat B)	24.0 years	15th	57.5 games	16th	34.6 goals	13th	8.6 votes	15th
Gold Coast	36 players	6 (+2 cat B)	23.9 years	16th	55.0 games	18th	22.0 goals	18th	3.7 votes	18th
Adelaide	35 players	5 (+0 cat B)	23.9 years	17th	55.1 games	17th	29.5 goals	14th	7.2 votes	16th
Brisbane	37 players	3 (+2 cat B)	23.9 years	18th	58.7 games	15th	38.2 goals	10th	8.7 votes	14th

 

[BennyGan]

so be it.... he rated Henry in the 40's so Im not sure he is on song this year

I’m not worried at all either

 

[cats_09]

When is the rookie draft?

already started

 

[cats_09]

Here at the PSD picks...

PRE-SEASON DRAFT

Round 1

Pick 1 - Adelaide - Jackson Hately

6

Jackson Hately

Age

25

Ht

191cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.8

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.4

3star

D

17.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

(GWS)

that's all

 

[cats_09]

And is Gibbs the first player to be drafted at #1 twice?

NAB AFL ROOKIE DRAFT

Pick 1 - Adelaide - Bryce Gibbs (Adelaide)

 

[Turbocat]

When is the rookie draft?

now

west coast get Trew as a Rookie..... thank you Mr Sumich

 

[cats_09]

And a couple of other rookie picks -

Pick 12 - West Coast - Zane Trew (Swan Districts)

Pick 16 - Port Adelaide - Tyson Goldsack (Port Adelaide, SANFL)

Pick 33 - Gold Coast - Jordan Murdoch

31

Jordan Murdoch

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.9

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.4

5star

MG

273.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.8

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

(Gold Coast); guessing he was technically still contracted for next season, otherwise this ones confusing

no Walsh