List Mgmt. Carlton's 2020 Draft Thread

[The Bighouse]

I think there’s merit for both trains of thought but in a year where there’s a lot more guess work I’d say we’ve probably done well with best available. If we had a better spread of picks maybe targeting needs like karmas recruiter friends did may have played a little more in but think Carroll from the short eye test seems well balanced and has reasonable production (from memory wa competitions usually have lower disposal counts) to suggest we’ve got a player provided our development improves - which with the moves the club has made suggest it will.

We were on the SANFL players that’s for sure. Tried performances throughout the year.
Carroll was a slider, no doubt. Should be playing seniors at WAFL level, at least reserves vs colts all year (WA players are usually exempt until post championships in a normal year).
Not quite sure why a talented player was not promoted, especially in a low table performing team, one for Bill Monaghan, which I’m sure we’d have asked the Q.

 

[The Bighouse]

Did Collingwood get out of their salary cap fiasco offloads with a pretty handy draft haul..? Didn’t realise their involvement in the draft pick trades on the night.
Henry
Macrae
Poulter
McInnes (free hit)
McMahon
And then Ginnivan in the RD

 

[Funk]

Did Collingwood get out of their salary cap fiasco offloads with a pretty handy draft haul..? Didn’t realise their involvement in the draft pick trades on the night.
Henry
Macrae
Poulter
McInnes (free hit)
McMahon
And then Ginnivan in the RD

Pies turned a shit sandwich into caviar.

 

[Arr0w]

FWIW - I recall Ablett on Fox saying Peel coaches had “wrapped their arms around” Winder.

Sounded like he is very high maintenance.

Durdin may have less upside but also less risk.

Real conundrum for recruiters.

That's a fair call, all about balance

For me, even though we have some xfactor, I would have preferred a point of difference

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Although it pains me to say it, I think Collingwood did the best in the draft and I'll be b******d if they picked for need.

 

[mrkyuss]

Pies turned a sh*t sandwich into caviar.

Did Collingwood get out of their salary cap fiasco offloads with a pretty handy draft haul..? Didn’t realise their involvement in the draft pick trades on the night.
Henry
Macrae
Poulter
McInnes (free hit)
McMahon
And then Ginnivan in the RD

Not really when the gave away a potential top ten pick next year.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Was Josh Cripps eligible for this years draft? Was he not good enough or did his ACL injury prevent him from being drafted?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Why reach for a player based on needs? Recruiter dont, it is a fallacy

We wanted/yearning for pace and footskills, we added Wiiliams, Saad and Fogarty

We took a small forward in the 2nd round, where they should be taken and Carroll that was a known slider, hence "best available"

Not sure if it’s that straight forward. Carroll was arguably best available for 20 picks before we chose him. You can’t tell me that Ryan the pick before Carroll was a best available choice. There are plenty of examples where recruiters have chosen needs over best available, this year even more so.

The best strategy lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Pies turned a sh*t sandwich into caviar.

Yep, that's what bothers me about it all. We take a better situation and fail to polish it off, IMO. The whole thing feels to me like losing a shilling and finding a sixpence, taking the player we were 'meant' to take with our second pick earlier than expected (after missing out on our main target) and selecting the 'slider' as our second or third preference.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Not really when the gave away a potential top ten pick next year.

A top 10 pick, Treloar, 300k of salary cap space for 5 years, Stephenson (if they find a kid who is as good as him they’ll be laughing), Phillips who is best 22 and Atu who was a solid young prospect.

They should’ve done far better. The future first alone was worth 24+30 (they could’ve got more IMO) and they already had a first round pick of their own. I’d still be unhappy if I was a filth fan.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Yep, that's what bothers me about it all. We take a better situation and fail to polish it off, IMO. The whole thing feels to me like losing a shilling and finding a sixpence, taking the player we were 'meant' to take with our second pick earlier than expected (after missing out on our main target) and selecting the 'slider' as our second or third preference.

How did we ‘fail to polish’ with the draft hand we had? We were never going to do a whole lot with our hand and the rest of our exchange period was excellent. Overall we did really well and improved our best 22 significantly. What am I getting wrong?

 

[BigBreakfast]

A top 10 pick, Treloar, 300k of salary cap space for 5 years, Stephenson (if they find a kid who is as good as him they’ll be laughing), Phillips who is best 22 and Atu who was a solid young prospect.

They should’ve done far better. The future first alone was worth 24+30 (they could’ve got more IMO) and they already had a first round pick of their own. I’d still be unhappy if I was a filth fan.

If you assess their exchange period as a whole, they barely get near a pass. Probably don’t reach a pass.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Not sure if it’s that straight forward. Carroll was arguably best available for 20 picks before we chose him. You can’t tell me that Ryan the pick before Carroll was a best available choice. There are plenty of examples where recruiters have chosen needs over best available, this year even more so.

The best strategy lies somewhere in the middle.

The best strategy doesn't proclaim that you can't use a particular type of player. The rest is too detailed for me to go into for the moment.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

How did we ‘fail to polish’ with the draft hand we had? We were never going to do a whole lot with our hand and the rest of our exchange period was excellent. Overall we did really well and improved our best 22 significantly. What am I getting wrong?

It's all in my third sentence BBF, I'm not going to condescend to you with the details, which you'll just disagree with anyway, as a matter of course.

 

[BigBreakfast]

It's all in my second sentence BBF, I'm not going to condescend to you with the details, which you'll just disagree with anyway, as a matter of course.

BBF? Still not sure what I am disagreeing with, or if I am disagreeing?

 

[BigFrizz36]

It's all in my second sentence BBF, I'm not going to condescend to you with the details, which you'll just disagree with anyway, as a matter of course.

Your second sentence was some rubbish about losing some pre decimal currency.

We added Williams, Saad, Fogarty, Durdin, Carroll and Parks and kept all next years currency bar a third rounder. That's a great trade/draft period.

You seem the sort that would fall into a pool of shillings and complain that they weren't sixpences.................

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Suppose there’s a bit of exposed form for both this year so, yeah.

May be a silly question, but was there any lower grade, under age footy played in Victoria this year?

 

[Ninja Worrier]

You seem the sort that would fall into a pool of shillings and complain that they weren't sixpences.................

Bingo

 

[The Return of the Paf]

BBF? Still not sure what I am disagreeing with, or if I am disagreeing?

With the Saad trade, we arguably could and should have facilitated a situation in which we met revised draft targets. If Poulter was it then our first pick was never going to be good enough. I don't look at it as 'doing well with the picks we had'. I think we were hoping on Poulter then Durdin, rather than Durdin then Carroll. After reviewing the situation, I have more faith in the Durdin pick than I have with Carroll, that's just my gut feeling.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Your second sentence was some rubbish about losing some pre decimal currency.

We added Williams, Saad, Fogarty, Durdin, Carroll and Parks and kept all next years currency bar a third rounder. That's a great trade/draft period.

You seem the sort that would fall into a pool of shillings and complain that they weren't sixpences.................

It was the third sentence but no one gives you a chance to edit before they are on to you. At any rate, you seem like the sort that would fall into a pool of poo and think you had struck oil.

Bingo

And you.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Neither do I, yet I would have drafted Winder and Ford ahead of Durdin

Before the draft I agree-Winder. When our need to move up the ladder dramatically is mixed with the priority for tackling pressure and Winder lacking a defensive side; I can understand Durdin

 

[BigBreakfast]

With the Saad trade, we arguably could and should have facilitated a situation in which we met revised draft targets. If Poulter was it then our first pick was never going to be good enough. I don't look at it as 'doing well with the picks we had'. I think we were hoping on Poulter then Durdin, rather than Durdin then Carroll. After reviewing the situation, I have more faith in the Durdin pick than I have with Carroll, that's just my gut feeling.

Fair enough, Durdin arguably suits a need more than Carroll does (sorry Arr0w). Then again, Carroll seems as if he was best available (thanks Arr0w). As far as what you mean by ‘met revised draft targets’, we were rumoured to be interested in trading up to meet a target, might have been Poulter, might have been Carroll? Who knows. Other than that, I reckon we did ok, time will tell.

 

[The Bighouse]

With the Saad trade, we arguably could and should have facilitated a situation in which we met revised draft targets. If Poulter was it then our first pick was never going to be good enough. I don't look at it as 'doing well with the picks we had'. I think we were hoping on Poulter then Durdin, rather than Durdin then Carroll. After reviewing the situation, I have more faith in the Durdin pick than I have with Carroll, that's just my gut feeling.

Agreed on this. #8 ideally should have turned into split 1st rounders with an eye on the prize for our 1st pick preference.

Not only for our draft pick but to have not given the Scum 3 x early picks in a row.

 

[Michael Jezz]

FWIW - I recall Ablett on Fox saying Peel coaches had “wrapped their arms around” Winder.

Sounded like he is very high maintenance.

Durdin may have less upside but also less risk.

Real conundrum for recruiters.

Probably why winder ended up at the Eagles and demonstrates how fans preferences discount character and personality

 

[The Bighouse]

Fair enough, Durdin arguably suits a need more than Carroll does (sorry Arr0w). Then again, Carroll seems as if he was best available (thanks Arr0w). As far as what you mean by ‘met revised draft targets’, we were rumoured to be interested in trading up to meet a target, might have been Poulter, might have been Carroll? Who knows. Other than that, I reckon we did ok, time will tell.

Powell (#13) & Pedlar (#11) were mentioned.