owen87
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I was never talking about their name.
I was talking about looking at someone who is obviously a male and having to suspend disbelief that they are a woman.
So again, you're being asked to recognise the difference between Gender and Sex.
Sex is biological. No one is asking that you believe Mouncey is a biological woman. I'm not sure even Mouncey is asking for that.
Gender is subjective, it's about how that person views themselves and wants to express themselves and live their life. If Mouncey (or anyone else, there's a poster in this very thread who's in this exact situation) believes that their biological sex doesn't match, and they want to be called Hannah, then it's really no inconvenience to me to do so.
The argument is whether sports should be segregated by Gender or Sex. What most people here seem to agree on, however awkwardly expressed, is that it's Sex that should determine it, not Gender. What Mouncey's argument is in it's most simple form, is that it should be based on Gender, not Sex.
Anyone organisation who lets biological men play against women. Anyone supporting that idea.
I don't see too many organisations supporting it, most of them are trying to simply stage manage it away, whilst very small segments of the population are trying to force them to allow it. We're in a weird place where actively coming out and saying "we believe the competitions should be separated by biological gender at birth, and we apologise for those individuals who are excluded from this competition because of this" is suicide because of the disproportionate backlash these leagues would suffer, but ultimately that's exactly what they seem to want to do with AFLW, whilst avoided a discrimination lawsuit.
Athletes like Caster Semenya are the ones that are much more hard done by imo.