Jodie Sizer for President

[Kappa]

What experience does Jodie actually have that isnt entirely to do with indigenous issues? She seems like a national leader for that, but hasn't done much else?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Kennett used to taunt Brumby about going to Melbourne Grammar - wouldn't mind Brumby though - would need Sizer or Holgate as deputy

What school did Kennett go to? For a long time the majority of Australian politicians came from 6 private schools, of which Melbourne Grammar was one. No surprise that Brumby should be an ex Melbourne Grammarian.

 

[Markfs]

What experience does Jodie actually have that isnt entirely to do with indigenous issues? She seems like a national leader for that, but hasn't done much else?

I thought the same thing...but it's true for so many people these days.... just look at craig kelly...after footy, he co-founds a sports management company and that's about it.

i mean even look at the people who are in there now. Waislitz was under the wing of pratt for years and then starts up his own gig creaming money off the stock exchange and that's about it. I think Korda did a similar track.

Even Holgate who has worked for more companies has basically been doing the same thing for decades.

I think that's just a reflection of modern life..

 

[manicpie]

I don't care who it is as long as it's not Ed

 

[Markfs]

actually when you think about it eddie has had an interesting working life. He starts off as a sports writer and extends to doing compering and other media stuff.... and then the only time he really left his comfort zone was when he became CEO of the nine network...

he got the job in early 2006 and had to resign about 14 months later....

and then he goes back to the same old stuff that he knows...

so it gets me thinking about the benefits of having a president who has a broad range of experiences...

 

[Kappa]

I thought the same thing...but it's true for so many people these days.... just look at craig kelly...after footy, he co-founds a sports management company and that's about it.

i mean even look at the people who are in there now. Waislitz was under the wing of pratt for years and then starts up his own gig creaming money off the stock exchange and that's about it. I think Korda did a similar track.

Even Holgate who has worked for more companies has basically been doing the same thing for decades.

I think that's just a reflection of modern life..

She should be strongly considered but her lack of diversity is a concern. Will she try to resolve non indigenous issues like she does with indigenous issues? And isn't that the same problem that were trying to fix just in reverse?

I would look outside the club and find the best of the best, Jodie is perfect for dealing with indigenous issues and creating a more inclusive and better culture but I doubt she'd be the best at managing a 99% white business as she has no experience in it. it also seems to be not in her field of passion, doubt she'd be interested as her life's work is dealing specifically in indigenous issues, which she'd hardly ever do as president.

We need someone who has a long history of creating inclusive diverse and non-toxic work cultures.

 

[Kappa]

actually when you think about it eddie has had an interesting working life. He starts off as a sports writer and extends to doing compering and other media stuff.... and then the only time he really left his comfort zone was when he became CEO of the nine network...

he got the job in early 2006 and had to resign about 14 months later....

and then he goes back to the same old stuff that he knows...

so it gets me thinking about the benefits of having a president who has a broad range of experiences...

Eddie had some brilliant positives that he brought to the role, but I suspect he's overworked himself. he's turned sloppy and become a liability, our sponsors will be furious with the constant gaffes and hes lost support of many.

 

[TKiL]

What school did Kennett go to? For a long time the majority of Australian politicians came from 6 private schools, of which Melbourne Grammar was one. No surprise that Brumby should be an ex Melbourne Grammarian.

Kennett went to Scotch College

Edit - State Premiers who went to Scotch:

• Jim Bacon – Premier of Tasmania
• John Cain – Premier of Victoria
• Jeff Kennett – Premier of Victoria
• Sir Harry Lawson – Premier of Victoria
• John MacPherson – Premier of Victoria
• Sir George Reid – Premier of NSW
• William Shiels – Premier of Victoria
• Vaiben Louis Solomon – Premier of South Australia

 

[TKiL]

I don't care who it is as long as it's not Ed

and it won't be!

 

[jmac70]

She should be strongly considered but her lack of diversity is a concern. Will she try to resolve non indigenous issues like she does with indigenous issues? And isn't that the same problem that were trying to fix just in reverse?

I would look outside the club and find the best of the best, Jodie is perfect for dealing with indigenous issues and creating a more inclusive and better culture but I doubt she'd be the best at managing a 99% white business as she has no experience in it. it also seems to be not in her field of passion, doubt she'd be interested as her life's work is dealing specifically in indigenous issues, which she'd hardly ever do as president.

We need someone who has a long history of creating inclusive diverse and non-toxic work cultures.

Can you explain what you mean by lack of diversity?

 

[Kappa]

Can you explain what you mean by lack of diversity?

Unless I'm mistaken her entire career is dealing specifically with indigenous issues.

Not exactly the definition of diverse, in fact the opposite. I'm sure she's brilliant at that, and understands how to improve culture to be more inclusive and better support indigenous team members, but does she have experience dealing with issues from non indigenous backgrounds?

 

[jmac70]

Unless I'm mistaken her entire career is dealing specifically with indigenous issues.

Not exactly the definition of diverse, in fact the opposite.

What was Ed’s experience when he took over?

 

[Kappa]

What was Ed’s experience when he took over?

I'm not sure whataboutism really solves anything going forward though. I don't know Ed's career off the top of my head, but if he wasn't properly qualified 20 years ago that doesn't mean we should repeat that mistake now..

 

[jmac70]

I'm not sure whataboutism really solves anything going forward though. I don't know Ed's career off the top of my head, but if he wasn't properly qualified 20 years ago that doesn't mean we should repeat that mistake now..

Agree with that. From what I know about Sizer, she’s very good with people in live situations, and has experience with change management.

 

[Markfs]

She should be strongly considered but her lack of diversity is a concern. Will she try to resolve non indigenous issues like she does with indigenous issues? And isn't that the same problem that were trying to fix just in reverse?

I would look outside the club and find the best of the best, Jodie is perfect for dealing with indigenous issues and creating a more inclusive and better culture but I doubt she'd be the best at managing a 99% white business as she has no experience in it. it also seems to be not in her field of passion, doubt she'd be interested as her life's work is dealing specifically in indigenous issues, which she'd hardly ever do as president.

We need someone who has a long history of creating inclusive diverse and non-toxic work cultures.

yeh...well... managing white people can be pretty similar to managing black people.... actually her business has about 60% indigenous employees but there are obviously 40% who are not.

I would think that she's probably more in-tune with a diverse employment environment than someone like say....mark korda...or alex waislitz..

I think generally she has people skills.

I take your point that she mightnt be interested and she might feel that she would have more effect doing her work. I dont think that the white business men who often become presidents of clubs are intrinsically more passionate about football than someone like Jodie. Actually, I think her passion for people is going to be far more useful than someone like Korda or Waislitz or Craig Kelly for example.

I can probably see someone like John Brumby do the job in a statesman like manner much the same as Jeff Kennett, and he might be handy when the club needs someone to look authoritative..... but he would have had people to run his departments in govt. I dont see much culture stuff there.

She has accounting qualifications and she assists indigenous people in business, so she can have a conversation with the person on the board who is concerned with such things as sponsorships. Other clubs have committees and board members are often on them without the president to tell them what to say and do..... which would be unusual at the pies... I would see the board as being run a bit more collectively, rather than Eddie having a beer with Korda and hatching plans for the future.

 

[Markfs]

Unless I'm mistaken her entire career is dealing specifically with indigenous issues.

Not exactly the definition of diverse, in fact the opposite. I'm sure she's brilliant at that, and understands how to improve culture to be more inclusive and better support indigenous team members, but does she have experience dealing with issues from non indigenous backgrounds?

Russell Gibbs who is chairman of the eagles has had about 10 jobs in property. I can't quite believe that someone who has been in property for 20 years gets a gig as head of a club...

Mark LoGiudice has been in the property industry since 1986. I dont see that as a great asset.

Ben Buckley at North was in marketting until he got into the AFL industry in 2006. He probably knows the industry well.

Craig Drummond at Geelong has been in investment banking for a long time. I know people love these financial types when it comes to football boards but I just dont see it. In fact, it doesnt surprise me that clubs can't deal with indigenous people, when people like this are in charge...and thats not a personal attack on Drummond, but just his type... I'm sure he's a nice bloke.

I could go on but I'm not expecting to see anyone remotely "qualified" to be president of a club

 

[Kappa]

yeh...well... managing white people can be pretty similar to managing black people.... actually her business has about 60% indigenous employees but there are obviously 40% who are not.

I would think that she's probably more in-tune with a diverse employment environment than someone like say....mark korda...or alex waislitz..

I think generally she has people skills.

I take your point that she mightnt be interested and she might feel that she would have more effect doing her work. I dont think that the white business men who often become presidents of clubs are intrinsically more passionate about football than someone like Jodie. Actually, I think her passion for people is going to be far more useful than someone like Korda or Waislitz or Craig Kelly for example.

I can probably see someone like John Brumby do the job in a statesman like manner much the same as Jeff Kennett, and he might be handy when the club needs someone to look authoritative..... but he would have had people to run his departments in govt. I dont see much culture stuff there.

She has accounting qualifications and she assists indigenous people in business, so she can have a conversation with the person on the board who is concerned with such things as sponsorships. Other clubs have committees and board members are often on them without the president to tell them what to say and do..... which would be unusual at the pies... I would see the board as being run a bit more collectively, rather than Eddie having a beer with Korda and hatching plans for the future.

I'm pretty sure one of her main points is teaching companies and leaders how to handle indigenous issues because you can't just treat indigenous people like "other white people"... That's why education is needed.

Again, I'm not saying there's anyone currently on the board better than her, but why are we limiting our options to those 3?

 

[Markfs]

I'm pretty sure one of her main points is teaching companies and leaders how to handle indigenous issues because you can't just treat indigenous people like "other white people"... That's why education is needed.

Again, I'm not saying there's anyone currently on the board better than her, but why are we limiting our options to those 3?

I'm dealing with names, with reality. You're saying that she has limitations and I'm naming some names and having a look at them and personally.... i dont think any of them are looking as good as Jody...

and i'm talking about the current board people and I'm talking about someone like Craig Kelly who might be great to have a beer with or a chat about sports management but I dont see much there. I'm not much into old real estate guys who have hung out with the magpie faithful at the copeland trophy for the last 20 years, or the financial wizard who has been making a packet on the stock exchange for the last 20 years.

The fact is these are the types that tend to get the gig at footy clubs and i understand that money might buy influence but it doesnt buy people skills.

I take your point that she mightnt want to do it....lets hope we dont get one of the usual suspects

 

[TKiL]

What was Ed’s experience when he took over?

Probably narrower than Jodie's

 

[Rusty Beam]

Elizabeth Proust for mine.

Exactly the president we need at this time... if she has the time to commit to what is essentially a pro bono position.

Some people will say it’s copying the appointment of Peggy, but I think on any objective scale Elizabeth is much more highly credentialed than Peggy was when she was appointed.

 

[Markfs]

Elizabeth Proust for mine.

Exactly the president we need at this time... if she has the time to commit to what is essentially a pro bono position.

Some people will say it’s copying the appointment of Peggy, but I think on any objective scale Elizabeth is much more highly credentialed than Peggy was when she was appointed.

I saw an article that says that she's not available because of work commitments

 

[Rusty Beam]

I saw an article that says that she's not available because of work commitments

Well that sucks.

She is exactly the type of person we need.

 

[Markfs]

Well that sucks.

She is exactly the type of person we need.

The simple question - should McGuire go soon? - was posed to a variety of people, Collingwood-connected and within AFL circles by The Age. The former top public servant of the Victorian government under Jeff Kennett, Lendlease director and Collingwood fan Elizabeth Proust, was firmly in the camp that McGuire should leave as soon as possible.

Proust, who has been sounded out about a board position at Collingwood in the past, believes the Magpies cannot achieve the cultural change they need while McGuire remains at the helm. “The culture can’t be fixed while Eddie’s still there,” says Proust, who has just moved to Sydney and is not interested in standing for the board.

 

[TKiL]

Agree with that. From what I know about Sizer, she’s very good with people in live situations, and has experience with change management.

Change management (cute term that it is) might be handy because there might be a lot of change...

 

[jackcass]

Change management (cute term that it is) might be handy because there might be a lot of change...

I think there’s a bit of hyperbole about the issues at Collingwood. Largely off a report that explores examples of racism involving CFC over 50 years and has identified a handful of incidents, and given scant reflection toward significant cultural shifts in recent years. Beyond that, what are the other issues impacting the club?

We’re strong financially.
We’ve moved out of pockies.
We’ve got a really strong community focus.
We continue to improve our facilities and connection with sports science.
We’ve established as strong and diverse a collection of ancillary sides as any league team. Who in fact has greater?

We can continue to grow in terms of racism but exactly what else needs to change?