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Look below. All the goals in a neat package.I've never seen that game I listened to it on line v Krock, I've looked for it on youtube but no luck.
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Look below. All the goals in a neat package.I've never seen that game I listened to it on line v Krock, I've looked for it on youtube but no luck.
I have but it looses it's mojo.Look below. All the goals in a neat package.
Boooooring! None wants to see that sh*t.
Check out this quality game from last year.
Was way better cause it was close.
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It's funny. The rule that slows the game down the most. The idiotic ruck nomination they have no plans on changing.Yeah one rule change isn't going to make much difference. Coaches have taken over the tactics and unless they all decide they want to see forty goals a game it isn't changing.
I liked how the AFL in their infinite wisdom decreed that 6-6-6 was going to open everything up. We ended up with the lowest scoring season in 50 years.
Their insight knows no bounds.
Your right! This is best i could find. I used to have the same problem living up North.
Missed out on some great games.
Thanks for posting that. Beautiful skilled, free flowing, fast footy. Players always there, always someone to pass the ball to, get into trouble just handball off.
That is good footy. That was an amazing team. But it was also the Geelong way. What has happened to it.
Scott was given the top job at Geelong on his pledge to develop a more defensive approach to the Cats on that no one can dispute he has delivered.Thanks for posting that. Beautiful skilled, free flowing, fast footy. Players always there, always someone to pass the ball to, get into trouble just handball off.
That is good footy. That was an amazing team. But it was also the Geelong way. What has happened to it.
Yet less than 12m later we smashed that team by over 100 points, on our way to a beautiful premiership, after just having obliterated Melbourne a week or so before, nearing another record score...Well, it got massively found out (to the tune of 81 points in just over a half of football) in the 2010 PF. And then other teams went from there on working out better and better systems to smother truly attacking footy. And football has never been the same aesthetically since.
And the coach was C Scott.Scott was given the top job at Geelong on his pledge to develop a more defensive approach to the Cats on that no one can dispute he has delivered.
We gradually lost the best list ever at Geelong FC.Thanks for posting that. Beautiful skilled, free flowing, fast footy. Players always there, always someone to pass the ball to, get into trouble just handball off.
That is good footy. That was an amazing team. But it was also the Geelong way. What has happened to it.
I thought it was his plan to gradually turnover the champion list, based on 2010 ending. 2011 altered it a bit.Scott was given the top job at Geelong on his pledge to develop a more defensive approach to the Cats on that no one can dispute he has delivered.
Yet less than 12m later we smashed that team by over 100 points, on our way to a beautiful premiership, after just having obliterated Melbourne a week or so before, nearing another record score...
And the coach was C Scott.
To be fair footy was ultra defensive before our great era. Possibly more so.Both of those games were not indicative of where footy was truly heading, though. The 2011 season overall (alongside the 2010 PF debacle) gave an indication that our style of '07-'10 could no longer take the competition by storm. We had to adapt, as we did in 2011, and as we have continued to strive to do since then.
In the end, it's clear that football like we played back in the glory years is not sustainable or even possible with the current defensive structures in place. And, like you, I don't blame Chris Scott too much for all of that. There's coaches who have set up systems far less attacking (as indicated by their 'points for' column every season) than our current coach.
To blame him for defensive football when we continue to win lots of games and kick more goals than just about everyone for years on end is further evidence of the confirmation bias that masquerades as objective opinion around here.
To be fair footy was ultra defensive before our great era. Possibly more so.
It was just this bizarre awesome thing that came out of nowhere. Then went away.
In the first 16 rounds of 2020, the average score was 60.6 points per game. 2020 football is being played with shorter quarters, so adjusting to 2019 game length brings this up to 72.9 points per game.
72.9 points is down from 80.4 in 2019, and more than 20 points less than the highest of the last decade, 93 points in 2011. By historical comparison, the last time the average score was under 73 points was 1964.
True. I was probably focusing on the 05 & 06 grand finals too muchEven the stats support the assertion that footy is more defensive now than in the early days of the flood, though.
Scores are through the floor and show no sign of improving any time soon.
Why the AFL is in a scoring drought and how they can get out of it
The first step in recovery is acknowledging that there is a problem.www.sen.com.au
Why the AFL is in a scoring drought and how they can get out of it
The first step in recovery is acknowledging that there is a problem.www.sen.com.au
To be fair footy was ultra defensive before our great era. Possibly more so.
It was just this bizarre awesome thing that came out of nowhere. Then went away.
Since the mid-2000s, greater emphasis has been placed on coaching defensive systems, resulting in increased difficulty of ball movement.
In 2007, the best team at defending the opposition moving the length of the ground, the Sydney Swans, would allow 30.7% of opposition Rebound 50s to become Inside 50s.
By 2012, 30.7% would rank 15th, with the best now at 18.3% (Fremantle).
By 2019, 30.7% would rank 18th and be more than 4% worse than 17th. The equal no.1 teams at preventing full ground ball movement in 2019, North Melbourne and Hawthorn, conceded Inside 50s from just 16.7% of their opposition’s Rebound 50s.
True. I was probably focusing on the 05 & 06 grand finals too much
Both of those games were not indicative of where footy was truly heading, though. The 2011 season overall (alongside the 2010 PF debacle) gave an indication that our style of '07-'10 could no longer take the competition by storm. We had to adapt, as we did in 2011, and as we have continued to strive to do since then.
In the end, it's clear that football like we played back in the glory years is not sustainable or even possible with the current defensive structures in place. And, like you, I don't blame Chris Scott too much for all of that. There's coaches who have set up systems far less attacking (as indicated by their 'points for' column every season) than our current coach.
To blame him for defensive football when we have continued to win lots of games and kick more goals than just about everyone else for years on end is further evidence of the confirmation bias that masquerades as objective opinion around here.
Surely it comes down to what talent youve got - current Geel team have done well to get where they have got - with the players they have got - Geel have got plenty of ordinary players - and really aernt a patch on the 07-13 teams
Current reigning premiers Richmond smash your defensive theory to smithereens
I dont see Rich as a defensive side at all ( sure they know when to defend when neccessary ) but their half back line is a very dangerous rebounding line - blokes like Houli and Vaustin - intercepting marking - and BH a brilliant kick - and look at the game at the Gold Coast - Grimes was taking screamers on the last line of the backline - i wouldnt call that a defensive mindset
Richmond if they are 6 pts or 66pts in front - their style or thought process doesnt change - its lets keep attacking and kicking goals - you dont see them waxing on the half back line killing time - vary rarely .
If Geel had better players - they could probably bring in a more attacking game plan - look at the current lot re defenders - Kol Occonor and Jack Henry - contrast them to Mackie and Wojo - who both loved to bounce the ball multiple times and run - and Mackie kicked some terrific goals on the run -particularly against Haw in that 11 winning game sequence .
Well, it got massively found out (to the tune of 81 points in just over a half of football) in the 2010 PF. And then other teams went from there on working out better and better systems to smother truly attacking footy. And football has never been the same aesthetically since.
JUst like Ayres was given the job to change the Blight era. And look where that went. Scott did jag one premiership though, thanks to the players. Ayres just missed out on a chance thanks to UmpiresI thought it was his plan to gradually turnover the champion list, based on 2010 ending. 2011 altered it a bit.
Except the following year we had 150+ point wins in successive weeks; Rounds 19 and 20 versus Melbourne and Gold Coast. Then as mentioned followed up by a 96-point trouncing of the same Collingwood team the week before the finals.
The Tigers don't actually set out with an incredibly attacking mindset. It's why they're generally quite comfortable to concede first possession and then harass their opponents out of it and smash them on the break. They ranked 16th for clearance differential in 2020 (Cats ranked 2nd).
Very effective on the counter-attack? Most certainly. Actually primarily an attacking unit, though? Certainly not in my opinion.
You make some good general points
However re the bolded - im pretty sure in the - definitely the PF - maybe the GF as well - or the final before the PF - Richmond won the clearances - . An area where say the opposition maybe could get a slight advantage - they turned that on their ear and won them - made them even harder to beat .
To beat Rich you obviously have to play the entire game - they are like a boxer who continually throws punches - not someone who just hangs on and jabs and wastes a stack of the time - the Cats love opponents who do the latter