Autopsy Pre season V Richmond

[Carringbush2010]

That`s the thing CB, that hit out dominance you allude too, is a myth. it`s dominant if the majority of the taps are too our advantage, they simply stat taps, very little hurt factor

Tomato tomayto, what's important is that it seems we aren't making use of Grundy winning taps at the bounce. Although those numbers weren't terrible and sr36 seems to think the ruck and mid sync is better.

 

[TradeDraft]

Why are people reading so much into pre season matches when we lost by a under a goal each game and we apparently played putrid.

good logic

We did Look Good at Times but Looked Terrible at Times Too

 

[sr36]

Tomato tomayto, what's important is that it seems we aren't making use of Grundy winning taps at the bounce. Although those numbers weren't terrible and sr36 seems to think the ruck and mid sync is better.

It was prominsing, but I wouldn't read too much into it yet. I thought it looked better in one pre-season game - hopefully it lasts, but it could just be that the opposition hadn't twigged to any adjustments we'd made or they were trialling a different structure and that the improvement won't last.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The impression I got was that we began with a chip chip style that didn't work at all and then just got numbers back to not be blown out of the water.

The possession game is not going to end well, it'd be ok if we were a wc but we aren't. This has to stop and Bucks seems to want for the same, so we need to diagnose why we aren't maintaining ideal game.

 

[Matrix10]

Tomato tomayto, what's important is that it seems we aren't making use of Grundy winning taps at the bounce. Although those numbers weren't terrible and sr36 seems to think the ruck and mid sync is better.

Lets hope so, in the 2 matches I have watched thus far, I have not seen an advancement in the ruck to mid synch connectivity and synergy

 

[sr36]

The possession game is not going to end well, it'd be ok if we were a wc but we aren't. This has to stop and Bucks seems to want for the same, so we need to diagnose why we aren't maintaining ideal game.

There is a feeling that there will be more opportunities to hit attacking passes due to the changes in the standing the mark rule. It's fair enough to see how it can be exploited. But if it becomes a game of precision foot skills, we aren't winning that in a hurry.

 

[Carringbush2010]

It was prominsing, but I wouldn't read too much into it yet. I thought it looked better in one pre-season game - hopefully it lasts, but it could just be that the opposition hadn't twigged to any adjustments we'd made or they were trialling a different structure and that the improvement won't last.

Do you mean the oppo trialled a different mid set up that allowed us a better ruck mid sync? If so then we might struggle against blue chip engine rooms.

 

[sr36]

Do you mean the oppo trialled a different mid set up that allowed us a better ruck mid sync? If so then we might struggle against blue chip engine rooms.

No, I mean I don't know. It was just a preseason practice match. I'm sure both teams would have trialled some things that did and didn't work. Not really sure what they were. In terms of game plan and general tactics, I just know that I don't want to see us trying to move the ball forward with a series of pinpoint spot ups. That's the one thing that really looked awful.

 

[Carringbush2010]

There is a feeling that there will be more opportunities to hit attacking passes due to the changes in the standing the mark rule. It's fair enough to see how it can be exploited. But if it becomes a game of precision foot skills, we aren't winning that in a hurry.

All the more reason to apply what works for us, obviously surgical transition with possession style footy brings us undone.

I remember the wc game in season, that 1st qtr is ideal game IMO, maintaining it seems unattainable for reasons no one can put a finger on.

 

[sr36]

All the more reason to apply what works for us, obviously surgical transition with possession style footy brings us undone.

I remember the wc game in season, that 1st qtr is ideal game IMO, maintaining it seems unattainable for reasons no one can put a finger on.

I think it's becasue Bucks likes safety and control. You don't get that when blokes just wheel and go without assessing what's ahead of the ball, which is how I think we need to play.

 

[Carringbush2010]

No, I mean I don't know. It was just a preseason practice match. I'm sure both teams would have trialled some things that did and didn't work. Not really sure what they were. In terms of game plan and general tactics, I just know that I don't want to see us trying to move the ball forward with a series of pinpoint spot ups. That's the one thing that really looked awful.

Still it gives some insight as to what may and what may not work. If there was trialing going on which is likely then that does allow either oppo to exploit it to advantage and one could speculate either way if something would or would not work come games for points.

So yeah maybe not read into too much. I need to watch the game to get a read on things.

 

[sr36]

Still it gives some insight as to what may and what may not work. If there was trialing going on which is likely then that does allow either oppo to exploit it to advantage and one could speculate either way if something would or would not work come games for points.

So yeah maybe not read into too much. I need to watch the game to get a read on things.

Give it a look. It wasn't all doom and gloom, like some are suggesting. JDG alone was worth watching it for. He looked ready to tear the comp to shreds.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I think it's becasue Bucks likes safety and control. You don't get that when blokes just wheel and go without assessing what's ahead of the ball, which is how I think we need to play.

But that is conflicting in his pressers, the impression I get like after the EF win it was 'wheel and go' works for us.

IF that is instruction then that stifles a pretty good list with pretty good potential. Surely he and the panel can see that.

 

[sr36]

But that is conflicting in his pressers, the impression I get like after the EF win it was 'wheel and go' works for us.

IF that is instruction then that stifles a pretty good list with pretty good potential. Surely he and the panel can see that.

The question I'd be asking isn't about the press conferences and even what he says to the group. What does he say to individuals when they're looking through the video and they wheel and go and stuff it up. I think throughout most of his career, we've played like a group of individuals that don't want to make mistakes.

 

[TradeDraft]

The possession game is not going to end well, it'd be ok if we were a wc but we aren't. This has to stop and Bucks seems to want for the same, so we need to diagnose why we aren't maintaining ideal game.

We don't have enough Skilled Players to Use the Possession Game as only a matter of time we miss a Target and Turn it over.

We need to move the Ball Quick as we can as lessons the Touches and can get it to our Forwards Quickly so they can take Advantage more

 

[Carringbush2010]

Give it a look. It wasn't all doom and gloom, like some are suggesting. JDG alone was worth watching it for. He looked ready to tear the comp to shreds.

We have glaringly different (and transparent!) styles of game, slow deliberate transition to avoid turnover (unsuccessfully) or 'take the game on', the latter seems to work and the former leads to turnover. If we don't address it then we're in trouble, play ideal game and we're still in contention.

 

[mike123]

nailed it... our defenders must be sick and tired of knowing any center bounce sees the ball coming their way...

Nah they probably love a chance to pad their stats

 

[sr36]

We have glaringly different (and transparent!) styles of game, slow deliberate transition to avoid turnover (unsuccessfully) or 'take the game on', the latter seems to work and the former leads to turnover. If we don't address it then we're in trouble, play ideal game and we're still in contention.

Agree. I think that's where the drop off occurred in 2019. We switched to safely hitting up targets and it stuffed our running patterns becasue everyone was looking to sperate to receive a short pass and we stopped getting that swarm to the contest that we did in 2018.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The question I'd be asking isn't about the press conferences and even what he says to the group. What does he say to individuals when they're looking through the video and they wheel and go and stuff it up. I think throughout most of his career, we've played like a group of individuals that don't want to make mistakes.

Well that's an issue in itself, I would hope the playing group don't play with that front of mind, may as well pack it up go home if that's the case.

Again, this is not consistent of what he seems to think is ideal game, going by his post game pressers.

 

[jonmacTrag]

This is a salient point. They are coached that way and until other sides stand up to it, they will continue to bully oppositions and umpires alike. It's the old Neil Balme tactic from the 80's. "Hit em first and hit em hard"

Dead centre bullseye - every scrag, every deliberate delay, every bullshit stretching of the law must be paid for.
They have the umpiring panel mesmerized - fine - take the umpires out of the equation.
This club has been too desperate to present a squeaky clean non rough stuff image.
Time for that to change, no bullshit shilly shallying bullies and smart @rses don't want opposition they want victims.

 

[sr36]

Well that's an issue in itself, I would hope the playing group don't play with that front of mind, may as well pack it up go home if that's the case.

Again, this is not consistent of what he seems to think is ideal game, going by his post game pressers.

There's a lot of reasons why a team might play risk averse footy. It could simply be that the character profiling of our recruiters favours risk averse players. The "rat pack" that we cleared out, certainly weren't risk averse. It could be intentional and instructional. It could be that messaging to players accidentally discourages risk. But I think we've got a talented list that can be up there if we can take the game on and overcome our aversion to risk.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Agree. I think that's where the drop off occurred in 2019. We switched to safely hitting up targets and it stuffed our running patterns becasue everyone was looking to sperate to receive a short pass and we stopped getting that swarm to the contest that we did in 2018.

Remember when Pendles stated after the dogs game that year that we deliberately slowed game to control transition better? Well that obviously back fired badly and I'm not certain we can (or will even attempt) to get back to that swarm and spread. My money is that the panel viewed it as too taxing even though brilliant tactically.

My theory is they're looking for a balance in between somewhere and for the most part we have gone to 'control transition' too far. That would be consistent with the EF win, it wasn't break neck speed like 2018, but also wasn't crab chip mark style either.

If we can play that game regularly we'll surprise the competition.

 

[Carringbush2010]

There's a lot of reasons why a team might play risk averse footy. It could simply be that the character profiling of our recruiters favours risk averse players. The "rat pack" that we cleared out, certainly weren't risk averse. It could be intentional and instructional. It could be that messaging to players accidentally discourages risk. But I think we've got a talented list that can be up there if we can take the game on and overcome our aversion to risk.

Well then that lies at the feet of the coaching panel because the right message is not getting through. I would certainly hope that 'risk averse' is not the instruction. We're going nowhere with that, but I don't believe it is. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[No SPIN]

There is a feeling that there will be more opportunities to hit attacking passes due to the changes in the standing the mark rule. It's fair enough to see how it can be exploited. But if it becomes a game of precision foot skills, we aren't winning that in a hurry.

In 2019 we started using the kicking game with success including beating Rich - we almost broke the record for uncontested marks in a game that night.
So while we missed targets on Friday I’m not as concerned given previous history using the kicking game successfully.

 

[magpies42]

The possession game is not going to end well, it'd be ok if we were a wc but we aren't. This has to stop and Bucks seems to want for the same, so we need to diagnose why we aren't maintaining ideal game.

Agree there is something awry with our tactics, overly defensive...no quick and risky ball movement. It’s very Malthouseesque. Ideally we would have an assistant coaching turnover in the off-season too. That was most disappointing.