List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[BRL121]

How do people rate Dawson as a player? Bread and butter mid or is there possibly some undiscovered upside/ceiling there?

Is he a mid? He's playing the Luko deliverer role, isn't he?

 

[Ripcity]

How do people rate Dawson as a player? Bread and butter mid or is there possibly some undiscovered upside/ceiling there?

Interesting one for mine. We seem to be pretty well stocked with medium/small backmen. Smith/Hamill/McPherson/Brown/Kelly now with Jones heading there and who knows what they'll do with Milera post-achilles. Throw in Doedee and it seems like a lot of our list allocated to this area.

Wouldn't turn any young talent away from coming here and with that beautiful raking left foot, could be a real weapon for us coming into his prime. More players in that age bracket the better imo for the right price.

 

[Bazz_27]

Why would we do that, we've got 2 guys recruited to play that role that are currently 2nd and 3rd in a line of 1.

I don't know anything about the bloke but if he plays as a ruck for Woodville then maybe we are looking for someone to pressure ROB?

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I don't know anything about the bloke but if he plays as a ruck for Woodville then maybe we are looking for someone to pressure ROB?

Jack Hayes is an onballer that helps in ruck. His strengths are his all round the field work and his marking strength. He excels there unlike Berg and Billy.

Player Stats - SANFL

 

[Skippos]

Is Stephens any better than Hately?

Unfortunately the answer is somewhere between ‘maybe’ and ‘probably’ - it’s a game or projection and prediction.

Sometimes kids just take longer than expected. And the longer that ‘time’ goes on, the more it’s natural to worry they won’t make it. So while his mediocrity through two years, a bit like Hately’s, is cause for concern, there’s every chance he’s just on a later development curve and will come good. Like a Duggan, Mills, Hopper, Scrimshaw, Parish, Mills, McDonald or Petracca did.

He was certainly a better junior than Hately, with a much higher upside (Hately was more ‘should be good year one but how high is the ceiling from there). And also a lot more outside/line breaking than Hately. So I’d hope his chances of success are pretty good. But if you can’t develop well in Sydney’s system, it’s a worry. They rarely don’t get the best out of a player.

 

[Crow till I die]

Unfortunately the answer is somewhere between ‘maybe’ and ‘probably’ - it’s a game or projection and prediction.

Sometimes kids just take longer than expected. And the longer that ‘time’ goes on, the more it’s natural to worry they won’t make it. So while his mediocrity through two years, a bit like Hately’s, is cause for concern, there’s every chance he’s just on a later development curve and will come good. Like a Duggan, Mills, Hopper, Scrimshaw, Parish, Mills, McDonald or Petracca did.

He was certainly a better junior than Hately, with a much higher upside (Hately was more ‘should be good year one but how high is the ceiling from there). And also a lot more outside/line breaking than Hately. So I’d hope his chances of success are pretty good. But if you can’t develop well in Sydney’s system, it’s a worry. They rarely don’t get the best out of a player.

Was he?..I recall Hately racking up + 20 possessions in games for central Districts league side in the year he was drafted

 

[Skippos]

Was he?..I recall Hately racking up + 20 possessions in games for central Districts league side in the year he was drafted

Could have worded that better, sorry. Higher rated junior. Hately was relatively productive for sure - but it was always viewed in the context of having a lower ceiling. A bit like how Luke Dunstan or Peter Bampton were extremely productive juniors but what caused that production was (correctly, with hindsight) viewed as unsustainable at the next level. Stephens had more translatable traits. It's why he went 5 and Hately 14.

 

[Skippos]

What's the consensus on Tom Sparrow? Heard Cal Twomey mention him as someone we might look at in his podcast this morning.

I don't mind it at all. Local boy, has had time in a really good system, has shown some really promising signs but can't get a solid crack at it thanks to how strong that midfield is. Gets a lot of the ball, works hard, zippy/explosive enough. Maybe a little undersized but also don't think you can ever have too many good young mids on the list - and it's probably our weakest position list depth wise.

 

[Thetrader15]

What's the consensus on Tom Sparrow? Heard Cal Twomey mention him as someone we might look at in his podcast this morning.

I don't mind it at all. Local boy, has had time in a really good system, has shown some really promising signs but can't get a solid crack at it thanks to how strong that midfield is. Gets a lot of the ball, works hard, zippy/explosive enough. Maybe a little undersized but also don't think you can ever have too many good young mids on the list - and it's probably our weakest position list depth wise.

Cal might have missed the news he signed a new contract at the end of last season until end of 2022.

Three Demons sign on

Tom Sparrow, Harry Petty and Joel Smith have agreed to new contracts

www.melbournefc.com.au

 

[Grenville]

How do people rate Dawson as a player? Bread and butter mid or is there possibly some undiscovered upside/ceiling there?

Honestly had never heard of him - been in the US a few years now and dont see many games outside of AFC. Highlight packages on youtube for the last couple years were pretty impressive, couple decent marks and a lot of nicely weighted kicks. A few 50m bombs at goal too - bit of Brodie Smith? Interested in hearing some more about this kid from some of the experts here.
Big, consistent numbers this year. Combined with a 192cm great ball user is worth hearing more...

 

[Jinglebells32]

Jack Hayes is an onballer that helps in ruck. His strengths are his all round the field work and his marking strength. He excels there unlike Berg and Billy.

Player Stats - SANFL

I've been wondering for years why Jack Hayes hasn't been given a chance by an AFL club. He's a strong contested marking forward that is mobile enough to get up the ground and hasn't disgraced himself as an undersized ruckman. The only concern I have with him is his set shot goalkicking can be off some games. I remember him dominating a game against westies a couple of years ago with 8 or 9 contested marks and kicked 2 goals 7.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I've been wondering for years why Jack Hayes hasn't been given a chance by an AFL club. He's a strong contested marking forward that is mobile enough to get up the ground and hasn't disgraced himself as an undersized ruckman. The only concern I have with him is his set shot goalkicking can be off some games. I remember him dominating a game against westies a couple of years ago with 8 or 9 contested marks and kicked 2 goals 7.

There'd be quite a few SANFL clubs hoping he gets picked up

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I've been wondering for years why Jack Hayes hasn't been given a chance by an AFL club. He's a strong contested marking forward that is mobile enough to get up the ground and hasn't disgraced himself as an undersized ruckman. The only concern I have with him is his set shot goalkicking can be off some games. I remember him dominating a game against westies a couple of years ago with 8 or 9 contested marks and kicked 2 goals 7.

His kicking at set shots at times has been off but he sets up a lot of opportunities for others. Id say he is a better kick though by a mile than Berg and Billy. His ball winning is better than Fog but Fog is elite in kicking. You always get an honest contest from Jack.

 

[Scorpus]

Dawson is a good player but I don't quite understand why we are targeting another half back.

We just put Jones there, we have Milera and Hinge injured, McPherson is out of the team, Worrell can't get a game and on top of that we also have 4 KPDs outside the team.

Do we actually need another defender?

 

[Skippos]

Cal might have missed the news he signed a new contract at the end of last season until end of 2022.

Three Demons sign on

Tom Sparrow, Harry Petty and Joel Smith have agreed to new contracts

www.melbournefc.com.au

Noted, but I don't think a contract has stopped anyone recently.

 

[Mutineer]

What's the consensus on Tom Sparrow? Heard Cal Twomey mention him as someone we might look at in his podcast this morning.

I don't mind it at all. Local boy, has had time in a really good system, has shown some really promising signs but can't get a solid crack at it thanks to how strong that midfield is. Gets a lot of the ball, works hard, zippy/explosive enough. Maybe a little undersized but also don't think you can ever have too many good young mids on the list - and it's probably our weakest position list depth wise.

Now you're talking!

I've been banging on about the option of luring Tom Sparrow home for 2 years especially when he's not an obvious best 22 player at the Dees with their midfield depth. Liked him a lot in his draft year for the Panthers because he's one player with breakaway speed from the contest and lacks nothing on the score of hardness.

 

[Skippos]

Dawson is a good player but I don't quite understand why we are targeting another half back.

We just put Jones there, we have Milera and Hinge injured, McPherson is out of the team, Worrell can't get a game and on top of that we also have 4 KPDs outside the team.

Do we actually need another defender?

It's about being ahead of the curve I think. Tall and rangy as a base is good - and it's where 'rebounding' defenders are moving towards generally.

If you're getting the same skills and output out of two blokes, you take the one who's 3-4 inches taller with the longer reach, especially if you're looking to build a defence (as we've seen Nicks seems to be) that's shorter and more mobile. If the 'smalls' are also able to aerially offer a bit more/cover space, it really helps.

Milera, Jones, Hamill, McPherson all 6'-6'1 or so. Hinge, Dawson and Worrell at 6'3-6'4 but with all the 'below the knees' ability and hopefully of a small suits that team defence/1 key defender structure a hell of a lot better.

 

[maxlilly]

Dawson is a good player but I don't quite understand why we are targeting another half back.

We just put Jones there, we have Milera and Hinge injured, McPherson is out of the team, Worrell can't get a game and on top of that we also have 4 KPDs outside the team.

Do we actually need another defender?

I am wondering the same thing. How many half backs do you need ?
If we are interested, I wonder if the club think he could be a midfielder for us ?

 

[Mutineer]

Why you'd prefer that ahead of Murray, who looked fine down there (and ok up forward) and a pick 6 drafted as a key defender with 2 preseasons under his belt is very surprising. I'm all for throwing these moves mid-game if required or when injuries necessitate. Plus we've got Talia to return. So we bring in another stop gap, but a forward/ruck this time, to push Berg to 3rd in a line of 1 with Murray and a pick 6 KPD behind him. The only way we should be interested in this bloke as a forward is if we're expecting or pushing either Berg or Billy out this year.

You wouldn't have been one of those saying Thilthorpe wasn't ready until he magically was when his name appeared on the team sheet.

Then we'll agree to disagree, Murray is an honest trier and a good depth player but there is a reason he missed getting drafted for 2 years and when he did it was a 1 year rookie deal...also lacks the genuine height to go with what seem to be the athletic 198/200cm KPF's coming through.

McAsey is simply not ready and to me looks like he needs a Doedee type grounding in the SANFL to get where he needs to be to make a fist of holding down a permanent KPD berth in an AFL team.

Himmelberg has the height and athleticism to go with with the modern day AFL KPF's and let's face it he's yet to really nail down a permanent forward role....Had played plenty down back in his junior/draft year and did very well especially at the Championships.

 

[chrisso crow]

Dawson is a good player but I don't quite understand why we are targeting another half back.

We just put Jones there, we have Milera and Hinge injured, McPherson is out of the team, Worrell can't get a game and on top of that we also have 4 KPDs outside the team.

Do we actually need another defender?

Having not heard of the bloke up until a couple of weeks ago, is there any chance he could play midfield?

I too think we seem to be getting too many HBF type players, surely we're looking at playing Dawson elsewhere?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Dawson fits that hybrid defender profile we seem to be trying to fill our back half with.

Tall enough to cover a tall but fast enough to play on a medium or small. Also has speed and a long kick so offers rebound.

If true it does seem to be a lot of resources going into that area of the ground though.

 

[Scorpus]

Would he even get a game over Jake Kelly?

 

[Skippos]

Then we'll agree to disagree, Murray is an honest trier and a good depth player but there is a reason he missed getting drafted for 2 years and when he did it was a 1 year rookie deal...also lacks the genuine height to go with what seem to be the athletic 198/200cm KPF's coming through.

McAsey is simply not ready and to me looks like he needs a Doedee type grounding in the SANFL to get where he needs to be to make a fist of holding down a permanent KPD berth in an AFL team.

Himmelberg has the height and athleticism to go with with the modern day AFL KPF's and let's face it he's yet to really nail down a permanent forward role....Had played plenty down back in his junior/draft year and did very well especially at the Championships.

Agreed. Himmelberg has the height/reach/athleticism to play as a KPD taking the big boys, and probably not the brains/stability through the contest to create the play as a forward. Would be better off using his 'gifts' in defence, letting a forward take him to the ball and be the one initiating the physicality not receiving it.

IMO nearly any 'goodish' key forward should be tried as a defender before being delisted.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Jack Hayes is an onballer that helps in ruck. His strengths are his all round the field work and his marking strength. He excels there unlike Berg and Billy.

Player Stats - SANFL

Regardless of whether we are interested in him or not, Jack Hayes deserves a crack on an AFL list (he's 24, so time is starting to run out for him).

 

[Trigger13]

Now you're talking!

I've been banging on about the option of luring Tom Sparrow home for 2 years especially when he's not an obvious best 22 player at the Dees with their midfield depth. Liked him a lot in his draft year for the Panthers because he's one player with breakaway speed from the contest and lacks nothing on the score of hardness.

So he’s exactly the two things that Hately isn’t. Get him in.