VAR Thread

[chef]

 

[Cruyff14]

Jesus Christ.

 

[SM]

That's their proposed solution? Joke.

 

[Zidane98]

That's their proposed solution? Joke.

Just make it that if the lines for the defender and forward overlap advantage attacker, too close to call. Need to stop the practice of drawing the vertical offside line at the edge of the attackers shirtsleeve too. Often the line ends up going right through a forwards arm. Most annoyingly sometimes this was done and sometimes it wasn't done last season, the drawing of the vertical line seemed to be up to the interpretation of the VAR referee. An automated system would also help.

 

[RossFC]

Get rid of the lines, I just want the obvious ones to the naked eye on replay ruled out. Not the end of someones toe nail.

 

[ossie_21]

Can’t believe that fat mess Lee Mason is the first dedicated VAR…. But anyway, hopefully these changes announced make things a bit better from this season:

The Premier League is to try to end the art of “buying” a penalty, as it announced tougher refereeing criteria for deciding spot-kicks.
When the 2021-22 season begins, referees are to assess three criteria before deciding whether a penalty should be awarded for a foul challenge. Officials must first consider the degree of contact experienced by the attacking player, then the consequence of that contact, before finally taking into account the motivation of the attacker in reacting to the challenge.

The Premier League’s head of refereeing, Mike Riley, said the decision to change the guidance on penalties followed conversations with top‑flight clubs and players, all of whom wanted spot-kicks awarded only for “proper fouls”. It also comes after a record 125 penalties were awarded in the top flight last season.


“Referees will look for contact and establish clear contact, then ask themselves the question: does that contact have a consequence?” Riley said. “They will then ask themselves a question: has the player used that contact to actually try and win a foul penalty? So it’s not sufficient just to say: ‘Yes, there’s contact.’
“I think that the feedback we’ve had from players, both attackers and defenders, [is that] you want it to be a proper foul that has a consequence, not something that somebody has used slight to contact to go over, and we’ve given the penalty to reward it.”

Riley said he hoped the rules would help to persuade players to stay on their feet in the box. Under the new guidance, the penalty Raheem Sterling won for England against Denmark in the Euro 2020 semi-final would not have been given and, if it had, the decision would be expected to be overturned by VAR.


Riley confirmed this season there will be revisions for the video refereeing technology, with changes to the way it interprets offside decisions set to benefit the attacking team.
VAR assesses whether a player is offside in the buildup to a goal as part of its four key checks but has been criticised for ruling out goals on the tiniest of margins. New rules will apply a different approach, with a final decision made not using the one-pixel-wide lines of the VAR, but the fatter “broadcast lines” used by TV. If the line marking the attacker’s position blurs into the line marking the defender’s position, the attacker will be deemed onside.

“We’ve now reintroduced the benefit of the doubt to the attacking player,” Riley said. “Effectively what we have given back to the game is 20 goals that were disallowed last season by using quite forensic scrutiny. It’s the toenails, the noses of the players that last season were offside – this season they will be onside.”


Riley remains a staunch supporter of the much-criticised technology, three years into what he sees as a five-year process of establishing it. He said Euro 2020 had helped to make the case for VAR, with a light-touch approach allowing the game to flow. This approach, he says, will be followed in the Premier League.
“I think one of the encouraging things that we’re going into next season is with people expecting that threshold to be in a higher place than last year,” he said.

 

[moomba]

Can’t believe that fat mess Lee Mason is the first dedicated VAR…. But anyway, hopefully these changes announced make things a bit better from this season.

IIRC his last two matches on VAR he confirmed red cards that were overturned on appeal.

Quality choice by Riley.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Get rid of the lines, I just want the obvious ones to the naked eye on replay ruled out. Not the end of someones toe nail.

Sometimes the naked eye ones can be deceiving. The thicker lines will stop the toe nail calls. They have also said they will show the decision process except at the stadium.

It's good that they are not going to give pens when players go down for slight touches. But they need to do that all over the field.

 

[RossFC]

 

[chef]

 

[Frank Bunn]

It's ridiculous that Carragher and Neville have any influence through their media profiles. They are a couple of clueless muppets.

With VAR we have seen a huge increase in resources but the decisions are often still poor.

 

[Zidane98]

I've always said easiest way forward for VAR is to have a 5 person panel.

Any major incident occurs (penalty / no penalty, red / no red card) - they all vote on whether the correct call was made. 3 votes means match referee has to complete on screen review. 4 votes or greater for an overturn = automatic overturn. VAR staff need to be specialists, not drawn from same pool as match referees.

 

[hawkman]

I've always said easiest way forward for VAR is to have a 5 person panel.

Any major incident occurs (penalty / no penalty, red / no red card) - they all vote on whether the correct call was made. 3 votes means match referee has to complete on screen review. 4 votes or greater for an overturn = automatic overturn. VAR staff need to be specialists, not drawn from same pool as match referees.

So on the final day they need to find 50 to watch all the game?

 

[SM]

So on the final day they need to find 50 to watch all the game?

They can review multiple games at once.

 

[Zidane98]

So on the final day they need to find 50 to watch all the game?

Yes. Or you have one panel covering 3 games.

 

[Thistle]

Shocking read. Dean didn't recommend checking for a foul cos Taylor is his mate . How can he do VAR ever again.

 

[typeclub]

VAR is a good concept but this season its gone to s**t. For some reason they don't overturn ref decisions. The fact they didn't overule the referee's Mac Alistar red on the spot was a farce. It made ppl who don't understand football think it was legit as well lmao.

The Slob's pen for Pool was also an obvious dive. No point having VAR if you're too braindead to officiate it.

 

[hawkman]

Shocking read. Dean didn't recommend checking for a foul cos Taylor is his mate . How can he do VAR ever again.

He isn’t doing it ever again

 

[moomba]

VAR should be able to work in it's current format, the current operators just aren't good enough.

Fix the VAR officials, make all audio available (at a minimum to clubs, but preferably to the public), I'd introduce a challenge system as well.

And stop changing interpretations/standards of proof etc. The one bit of sympathy I have for VAR officials is that one year, you don't overturn much, the next year you're encouraged to overturn.

This year (apparently) they are showing more lenience with non deliberate handballs. But all we see as supporters is penalty decisions not made that would have been made last year. There's next to no communication from PGMOL and it just makes their officials look.i competent.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Yes. Or you have one panel covering 3 games.

What if incidents happen at the exact same time. One game gets held up by 3-4mins while they wait in a queue?

Big screen shows this:

 

[Zidane98]

VAR should be able to work in it's current format, the current operators just aren't good enough.

Fix the VAR officials, make all audio available (at a minimum to clubs, but preferably to the public), I'd introduce a challenge system as well.

And stop changing interpretations/standards of proof etc. The one bit of sympathy I have for VAR officials is that one year, you don't overturn much, the next year you're encouraged to overturn.

This year (apparently) they are showing more lenience with non deliberate handballs. But all we see as supporters is penalty decisions not made that would have been made last year. There's next to no communication from PGMOL and it just makes their officials look.i competent.

Challenge system will never work. Too much subjectivity. It's not like DRS which is black & white 98% of the time.

 

[moomba]

Challenge system will never work. Too much subjectivity. It's not like DRS which is black & white 98% of the time.

At least you could force another look. And with audio, the ref would have to justify why he made the decision he did.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Challenge system will never work. Too much subjectivity. It's not like DRS which is black & white 98% of the time.

Would give Klopp something to throw while he has a tanty

 

[Zidane98]

At least you could force another look. And with audio, the ref would have to justify why he made the decision he did.

That'll just create controversy. The challenging team will be demanding a reversal on subjective decisions. Teams will demand a VAR replay to slow things down. While referral works in cricket I don't see it personally as being compatible with football.

The panel of 5 is a much better idea for me - as long as they are VAR specialists not drawn from the same pool of matchday referees. If a 3-2 majority believe an error has been made send it to the ref for a on screen review. And a 4-1 or 5-0 majority sees the decision automatically reversed. No biases and a range of differing opinions should pick up obvious errors more often than not.

 

[Frank Bunn]

The panel of 5 is a much better idea for me - as long as they are VAR specialists not drawn from the same pool of matchday referees. If a 3-2 majority believe an error has been made send it to the ref for a on screen review. And a 4-1 or 5-0 majority sees the decision automatically reversed. No biases and a range of differing opinions should pick up obvious errors more often than not.

That doesn't sound very practical. 5 people wanting different replays then a vote. I think it still needs to be the onfield ref's call for the subjective decisions after he has reviewed the video. Maybe an ex-pro should be in each VAR room to give a player's perspective. If so, I think both the Onana non-penalty and the Mac Allister red card would have been quickly reversed.