Analysis Rolling All-Australian team for 2021

[00Stinger]

Zac Merretts season has gone very under radar, perhaps because of Parishs big couple of months

His game yesterday was absolutely killer, looked like clawing the game back for Essendon himself

 

[eaglespremiers]

Disposals, goals, marks and score involvements? You're right, the most meaningless stats in football.

Goals are important.
Disposals and total marks? No, not for a ruckman (or most football roles really). In fact, these stats are more likely to give an inaccurate example of influence (along with disposal efficiency which often favours tall backs/back flankers kicking short to a teammate in an uncontested situation for an uncontested irrelevant mark - case in point Josh Rotham).
And score launches are much more important for a ruck than score involvements.
Score launches are "scoring chains launched by an intercept possession, free kick, hitout-to-advantage or clearance".
This is the best indicator of a ruck's role (through hit-outs to advantage, clearances or intercept marks) creating scoring opportunity.

 

[eaglespremiers]

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Interesting that Naitanui 'smashed' Grundy on the weekend according to some Eagles fans in the NN thread.

Harvey forecast that he would give Grundy votes in comments he made to the media after the game.
He didn't provide any meaningful explanation but it's his prerogative to give votes to who he wants to, regardless of accuracy.
The opinion of a care taker coach doesn't really sway my assessment of the game.

 

[Scythe]

Harvey forecast that he would give Grundy votes in comments he made to the media after the game.
He didn't provide any meaningful explanation but it's his prerogative to give votes to who he wants to, regardless of accuracy.
The opinion of a care taker coach doesn't really sway my assessment of the game.

Ah yes, it's all a conspiracy and an Eagles supporter on BigFooty (that I'm sure is completely objective) is far more qualified to assess the performance of players than someone who has been in the AFL system for more than 30 years.

 

[LittleG]

Harvey forecast that he would give Grundy votes in comments he made to the media after the game.
He didn't provide any meaningful explanation but it's his prerogative to give votes to who he wants to, regardless of accuracy.
The opinion of a care taker coach doesn't really sway my assessment of the game.

IF Simo thought NN absolutely pantsed Grundy, then why didn’t he give him any votes?
Players get votes in losses, particularly IF they played as well as you alleged.

Edit: Grundy replaced Gawn.

 

[eaglespremiers]

IF Simo thought NN absolutely pantsed Gawn, then why didn’t he give him any votes?
Players get votes in losses, particularly IF they played as well as you alleged.

I assume you mean Grundy?
I suppose the fact that we were smashed so thoroughly by half time meant that Simpson was unlikely to give any of our players votes. He was probably so disappointed at our playing group collectively that he couldn't warrant a vote. Not that I really care about Simpson's votes atm (as he is the main problem at West Coast), however, I estimate his votes were:
5. Crisp
4. Adams/ de Goey
3. Adams/ de Goey
2. Maynard
1. Sidebottom

 

[eaglespremiers]

Ah yes, it's all a conspiracy and an Eagles supporter on BigFooty (that I'm sure is completely objective) is far more qualified to assess the performance of players than someone who has been in the AFL system for more than 30 years.

There's enough ex-coaches/ex-players running around in the media giving their incorrect opinions on everything under the sun to suggest that experience in an industry does not translate to meaningful knowledge or insight. I'm sorry, appeals to authority (particularly to a care taker coach) should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Halftimehero]

Zac Merretts season has gone very under radar, perhaps because of Parishs big couple of months

His game yesterday was absolutely killer, looked like clawing the game back for Essendon himself

He has been enormous, very under the radar.
He’s polled coaches votes in 13 matches.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Lever May Stewart
Rich Weitering Dale
Macrae Bontempelli Amon
Petracca Hawkins Greene
Dixon McKay Papley
Gawn Oliver Steele
Wines Walsh Miller Mills

 

[00Stinger]

He has been enormous, very under the radar.
He’s polled coaches votes in 13 matches.

Yeah his game yesterday was massive

There is getting 35 odd touches and there is getting 35 odd touches and using the ball beautifully to set play up which is what he did yesterday

 

[HairyO]

Goals are important.
Disposals and total marks? No, not for a ruckman (or most football roles really). In fact, these stats are more likely to give an inaccurate example of influence (along with disposal efficiency which often favours tall backs/back flankers kicking short to a teammate in an uncontested situation for an uncontested irrelevant mark - case in point Josh Rotham).
And score launches are much more important for a ruck than score involvements.
Score launches are "scoring chains launched by an intercept possession, free kick, hitout-to-advantage or clearance".
This is the best indicator of a ruck's role (through hit-outs to advantage, clearances or intercept marks) creating scoring opportunity.

Was it the Saints who won the hitouts to advantage by something like 20 to 4 ?

I wonder if it needs to be clarified further to hitouts to advantage where it led to a clearance.

But maybe its not the ruckman's fault if the mids are no good.

 

[Halftimehero]

Yeah his game yesterday was massive

There is getting 35 odd touches and there is getting 35 odd touches and using the ball beautifully to set play up which is what he did yesterday

2 goals, 4 goals assists among his 13 score involvements, it was a massive game.

Suprised one of the coaches only gave him a 4.

 

[Blind Turn]

Zac Merretts season has gone very under radar, perhaps because of Parishs big couple of months

His game yesterday was absolutely killer, looked like clawing the game back for Essendon himself

It’s mind-boggling that despite having such a profound influence on our competitiveness this year he is still not a lock in some teams like the one offered just a couple of post above this. If he’s not miles ahead of a player like Amon I’ll eat my shorts plus the shorts of an incontinent senior. Yet here we are. I’m not saying Amon isn’t having a breakout period at the moment but wow, Merrett is doing it week-in-week-out with penetrating disposal.

 

[andrewb]

Lloyd May Lever
Rich Stewart Dale
Macrae Bont (C) Walsh
Petracca Hawkins Fritsch
Papley McKay Walker
Gawn Oliver (VC) Wines
Parish Merrett Miller Steele

 

[Blind Turn]

2 goals, 4 goals assists among his 13 score involvements, it was a massive game.

Suprised one of the coaches only gave him a 4.

Papley got a 5 from (presumably) Longmire, for a quarter of footy that turned the game. Does that make him the best player or just the one Longmire was most thankful for?

 

[eaglespremiers]

Was it the Saints who won the hitouts to advantage by something like 20 to 4 ?

I wonder if it needs to be clarified further to hitouts to advantage where it led to a clearance.

But maybe its not the ruckman's fault if the mids are no good.

It would be ideal to have another stat that showed HOs to advantage causing clearances.
This is factored in with score launches, but only, obviously, when a score is included.
It can be a ruckman's fault if his dominance doesn't translate to clearance dominance, or it can be the midfield. Or, more often than not, it can be the systems put in place by the opposition to quell the midfield in general that may stunt the impact.
On the weekend we won the clearances, won the inside 50s and then lost the match convincingly.
I think that reflects structural issues (at both ends of the ground), inside 50 disposal efficiency (either our midfielders/flankers weren't good enough or they were put under enough pressure when they were kicking inside 50 to fail to provide us with scoring opportunities) or team strategies (a lot has been written on Simpson's strategies).
Nonetheless, there is certainly scope to explore a number of untapped statistics in the future.

We should also remember, of course, that any player on the team (be it forward, back, midfielder or ruck) is only one of 44 players involved in a game of football.
Sometimes we expect our players to be like basketballers (when they dominate then their team has a very good chance of winning) or footballers from the 90s.
You almost never see a player literally win the game off their own boot (ala Nick Davis). They may kick the winning goal but there is a lot of skill, strategy and desperation to get to that one point.

 

[Halftimehero]

Papley got a 5 from (presumably) Longmire, for a quarter of footy that turned the game. Does that make him the best player or just the one Longmire was most thankful for?

Papley was good no doubt, but I thought Mills was the Swans best player, Merrett was clearly better than both though.

 

[danster168]

Weird to criticise Naitanui today.
Was the only West Coast player who gave a damn and won his position and he won it convincingly.
Had 10 clearances and Grundy legitimately was non-competitive against him in the ruck in the 2nd half.
It's not like Grundy is a pushover either.

Hi MR.CONVINCING

Quite odd that despite Naitanui being CONVINCINGLY better than Grundy that Grundy got in the coaches votes and Naitanui didn't.LOL.

I just proved you wrong. You clearly have no idea about football and I back my judgement along with the professional coaches than your biased @ss that can't think impartially. Boom! Thanks for the chats junior!

*Gawn now also beating Naitanui in the coaches votes. God it feels good to win an argument that stretched days.

 

[00Stinger]

2 goals, 4 goals assists among his 13 score involvements, it was a massive game.

Suprised one of the coaches only gave him a 4.

I thought he was BOG but Papley probably got the Swans over the line so I can see how one of the coaches gave him BOG

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[danster168]

Melbourne supporters using coaches votes for Oliver arguments while discounting them for Nic Nat vs Gawn is hilarious.

Nice one. Considering Oliver and Gawn are both ahead of Nic 'No marks' Naitanui

 

[Juice030103]

FB: Dale May Rich

HB: Lever Andrews Stewart

C: Walsh Wines Macrae

HF: Tex Hawkins Bont

FF: Greene McKay Petracca

Followers: Gawn Oliver Parish

interchange: Nic Nat Steele Miller Merrett

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

B J.Lever J.Weitering B.Dale
HB T.Stewart S.May R.Laird
C S.Walsh C.Oliver J.Macrae
HF C.Petrecca T.Walker T.Greene
F T.Hawkins H.McKay T.Papley
FOLL: M.Gawn O.Wines M.Bontempelli
INTER: J.Steele, D.Parish, T.Miller, C.Mills


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Walsh has never played on the wing.

 

[LittleG]

Walsh has never played on the wing.

Neither has Macrae…. Just the two more skilled users of the ball being put on the wings.

 

[blues4flag]

Walsh has never played on the wing.

Have you ever watched Carlton play? He spends a large portion of the game on the wing.

 

[Mikevk123]

Laird hasnt played HB for 30 games bruv

Obviously. I want to fit him in. He’s been good this year and can play back