Strategy 2021 Trade Hypotheticals

Lore · Oct 11, 2021

Time to vote!

Please vote in the poll above. Anyone can vote, but if you have entered you may not vote for yourself.

Votes close at the end of trade period (7.30pm AEDT on Wednesday).

No future picks or free agency compo nonsense, but something for everyone to complain about.

Team	Out	In
Adelaide	Strachan, Talia, 23	Stevens, West
Brisbane	Mathieson, Smith, 15, 47, 52	Hopper
Carlton	SPS, Fisher, Weitering, 6	Cerra, Tucker, 1, 38
Collingwood	Maynard, Lynch	Mathieson, Weiderman, 28, 48, 52
Essendon	11, 48	Battle, 23
Fremantle	Cerra, Tucker	SPS, 6, 24
Geelong	Clark, Narkle	Brander, Talia, Lynch
Gold Coast	22	CCJ
GWS	Hopper, 49	11, 17
Hawthorn	24	Fisher, 40
Melbourne	Weideman	Wallis
North Melbourne	Tarrant, 1, 38	Weitering, 26
Port Adelaide	17	Dawson
Richmond	CCJ, 26, 28, 40	Lipinski, Narkle, 15
St. Kilda	Battle	Smith, 32
Sydney	Dawson, Stevens, 32	14, 22
West Coast	Brander, 29, 36	Clark, Maynard
Western Dogs	Lipinski, West, Wallis, 14	Strachan, Tarrant, 29, 36, 47, 49

Team	Out	In
Adelaide	Strachan, 37	Stephens
Brisbane	15, 18	12, Future 2nd (Fre), Future 2nd (Port)
Carlton	6, 25, Fisher	Cerra, 49
Collingwood	Lynch	46
Essendon	Shiel, Future 1st	20, Dunkley
Fremantle	Cerra, Schultz, Future 2nd	6, Future 1st (Mel), Fisher
Geelong	Clark, Narkle, 35	Brander, Ceglar, 25
Gold Coast	22, 43	Ladhams + 31
GWS	2, 13	1, 26
Hawthorn	24, Ceglar	Lynch, Schultz
Melbourne	Future 1st, Weideman	15, 43
North Melbourne	1, 20	2, 13, Weideman
Port Adelaide	Future 2nd, Ladhams	Shiel
Richmond	26	37, Narkle
St. Kilda	Battle, 46	24
Sydney	Stephens, 12, 31	18, 22, Lipinski
West Coast	Brander, 29, 36, 49	14, Clark
Western Bulldogs	14, Lipinski, Dunkley	Strachan, 29, 35, 36, Future 1st (Ess)

Team	In	Out
Adelaide	Tom Hutchesson	Tom Doedee
Brisbane	Zach Sproule	Harris Andrews
Carlton	Cam Fleeton	Jacob Weitering
Collingwood	Shane Mumford	Brodie Grundy
Essendon	Sam J. Reid	Andrew McGrath
Fremantle	Stephen Congilio (paying full contract)	Caleb Serong & Andrew Brayshaw 8 Andrew Brayshaw Age 26 Ht 185cm Wt 88kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 16.8 4 K 7.6 3 HB 9.3 5 M 2.6 3 T 4.8 5 CL 2.1 4 D 18.4 4 K 7.6 3 HB 10.8 5 M 3.3 3 T 4.8 5 CL 3.1 4 D 12.6 4 K 6.0 3 HB 6.6 4 M 2.6 3 T 4.0 5 CL 0.8 3 (also paying full contract)
Geelong	Jake Stein	Tom Stewart
Gold Coast	Kieran Briggs	Ben King
GWS	Tom Doedee, Harris Andrews 31 Harris Andrews Age 29 Ht 200cm Wt 98kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 12.8 3 K 7.4 3 HB 5.4 4 M 5.6 5 T 1.6 4 MG 151.7 2 D 17.0 4 K 9.0 4 HB 8.0 4 M 4.0 4 T 2.0 3 D 9.8 3 K 5.0 2 HB 4.8 4 M 3.4 4 T 1.6 4 MG 94.0 2 , Jacob Weitering 23 Jacob Weitering Age 28 Ht 195cm Wt 102kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 13.8 4 K 9.1 4 HB 4.7 3 M 5.6 5 T 1.3 3 MG 189.4 3 No current season stats available D 16.8 4 K 10.8 4 HB 6.0 4 M 6.0 5 T 0.8 3 MG 263.4 4 , Brodie Grundy 4 Brodie Grundy Age 32 Ht 202cm Wt 105kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 17.5 4 K 8.0 3 HB 9.6 5 CL 4.1 5 HO 32.0 5 D 16.4 4 K 6.8 3 HB 9.6 5 CL 4.0 5 HO 34.6 5 D 13.8 4 K 5.2 2 HB 8.6 5 CL 2.6 5 HO 20.6 5 , Andrew McGrath 1 Andrew Mcgrath Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 83kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 22.7 5 K 11.6 4 HB 11.1 5 M 1.6 2 T 6.4 5 MG 252.9 4 D 22.7 5 K 11.6 4 HB 11.1 5 M 1.6 2 T 6.4 5 MG 252.9 4 D 22.0 5 K 11.0 4 HB 11.0 5 M 1.2 2 T 6.4 5 MG 219.0 4 , Caleb Serong 3 Caleb Serong Age 25 Ht 180cm Wt 87kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 13.0 3 K 7.0 3 HB 6.0 4 M 1.8 2 T 3.6 5 CL 2.6 4 D 13.0 3 K 7.0 3 HB 6.0 3 M 1.8 2 T 3.6 4 CL 2.6 4 D 13.0 4 K 7.0 3 HB 6.0 4 M 1.8 2 T 3.6 5 CL 2.6 5 (paying 0 salary), Tom Stewart, Ben King, Will Day, Luke Jackson 9 Luke Jackson Age 24 Ht 199cm Wt 102kg Pos. F/R Career Season Last 5 D 8.3 2 K 3.3 1 HB 5.0 4 M 1.5 2 T 1.0 3 G 0.3 3 D 8.3 2 K 3.3 1 HB 5.0 3 M 1.5 2 T 1.0 2 G 0.3 3 D 8.3 3 K 3.3 2 HB 5.0 4 M 1.5 2 T 1.0 3 G 0.3 3 , Tarryn Thomas 26 Tarryn Thomas Age 26 Ht 190cm Wt 83kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 11.0 3 K 5.3 2 HB 5.7 4 M 2.1 2 T 3.3 5 CL 0.9 3 D 7.8 2 K 4.0 1 HB 3.8 3 M 1.3 1 T 3.2 4 CL 0.2 2 D 12.8 4 K 6.2 3 HB 6.6 4 M 2.8 3 T 3.8 5 CL 0.4 3 , Zak Butters 9 Zak Butters Age 25 Ht 181cm Wt 77kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 14.3 4 K 7.7 3 HB 6.7 4 M 3.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.8 3 D 14.7 4 K 8.9 4 HB 5.9 3 M 3.9 4 T 2.9 4 CL 1.1 3 D 17.0 5 K 9.0 4 HB 8.0 5 M 3.6 4 T 1.6 4 CL 0.6 3 , Noah Balta, Braeden Campbell, Errol Gulden, Max King, Marcus Bontempelli 4 Marcus Bontempelli Age 30 Ht 194cm Wt 96kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 22.5 5 K 12.3 5 HB 10.3 5 M 3.6 4 T 4.8 5 CL 4.4 5 D 18.4 4 K 9.7 4 HB 8.8 4 M 2.6 3 T 4.1 5 CL 4.0 5 D 12.0 3 K 5.8 3 HB 6.2 4 M 2.0 3 T 3.8 5 CL 1.8 4 , Elliot Yeo	Tom Hutchesson, Zach Sproule, Cam Fleeton, Shane Mumford 41 Shane Mumford Age 39 Ht 198cm Wt 105kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 10.9 3 K 3.0 1 HB 8.0 5 CL 3.0 4 HO 29.9 5 D 7.3 2 K 1.3 1 HB 6.0 3 CL 2.3 4 HO 18.5 5 D 6.2 2 K 1.6 1 HB 4.6 4 HO 12.4 5 , Sam Reid, Stephen Coniglio 3 Stephen Coniglio Age 32 Ht 182cm Wt 83kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 24.5 5 K 13.0 5 HB 11.5 5 M 3.8 4 T 4.7 5 CL 4.7 5 D 21.3 5 K 12.5 5 HB 8.8 4 M 2.4 3 T 3.8 4 CL 5.4 5 D 19.2 5 K 8.2 4 HB 11.0 5 M 3.6 4 T 2.2 4 CL 3.0 5 , Jake Stein, Kieran Briggs, Lachlan Keeffe 25 Lachlan Keeffe Age 36 Ht 204cm Wt 101kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 10.5 3 K 6.8 3 HB 3.7 3 CL 0.2 2 HO 1.4 4 D 10.0 3 K 6.0 2 HB 4.0 3 CL 0.0 1 HO 0.0 1 D 8.4 3 K 5.8 3 HB 2.6 3 CL 0.2 2 HO 0.0 1 , Braydon Preuss 11 Braydon Preuss Age 30 Ht 207cm Wt 118kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 9.1 2 K 6.1 2 HB 3.1 3 CL 1.9 4 HO 20.9 5 No current season stats available D 9.8 3 K 5.4 2 HB 4.4 4 CL 2.4 5 HO 26.2 5 , Matt Buntine, Jacob Wehr, Nick Shipley, Daniel Lloyd 38 Daniel Lloyd Age 34 Ht 187cm Wt 83kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 11.5 3 K 6.4 3 HB 5.1 4 M 2.8 3 T 3.0 5 G 0.8 4 D 7.5 2 K 5.5 2 HB 2.0 1 M 3.0 3 T 3.2 4 G 0.5 4 D 11.6 3 K 5.4 2 HB 6.2 4 M 2.6 3 T 1.8 4 G 0.8 4 , Jeremy Finlayson 11 Jeremy Finlayson Age 30 Ht 197cm Wt 93kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 13.5 3 K 9.9 4 HB 3.6 3 M 4.5 4 T 1.4 3 G 1.3 5 D 7.0 1 K 7.0 3 HB 0.0 1 M 1.0 1 T 2.0 3 G 1.0 4 D 18.4 5 K 12.6 5 HB 5.8 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.6 4 G 0.0 1 , Will Shaw, Matt De Boer
Hawthorn	Lachlan Keefe	Will Day
Melbourne	Braydon Preuss	Luke Jackson
North Melbourne	Matt Buntine	Tarryn Thomas
Port Adelaide	Jacob Wehr	Zak Butters
Richmond	Nick Shipley	Noah Balta
Sydney	Daniel Lloyd	Braeden Campbell & Errol Gulden
St Kilda	Jeremy Finlayson	Max King
Western Bulldogs	Will Shaw	Marcus Bontempelli
West Coast Eagles	Matt De Boer	Elliot Yeo

Adelaide
Out: Riley Thilthorpe, In: Jaidyn Stephenson

Brisbane
Out: Hugh McCluggage, In: Jamarra Ugle-Hagan

Carlton
Out: Jacob Weitering, In: Adam Cerra

Collingwod
Out: Brodie Grundy, In: Jacob Hopper

Essendon
Out: Darcy Parish, In: Sean Darcy

Fremantle
Out: Sean Darcy, In: Clayton Oliver

Geelong
Out: Mitch Duncan, In: Aliir Aliir

Gold Coast
Out: Matt Rowell, In: Jacob Weitering

GWS
Out: Jacob Hopper, In: Tom McCartin

Hawthorn
Out: Blake Hardwick, In: Mitch Duncan

Melbourne
Out: Clayton Oliver, In: Brodie Grundy

North Melbourne
Out: Jaiydn Stephenson, In: Blake Hardwick

Richmond
Out: Shai Bolton, In: Riley Thilthorpe

Port Adelaide
Out: Aliir Aliir, In: Shai Bolton

St Kilda
Out: Jack Steele, In: Matt Rowell

Sydney
Out: Tom McCartin, In: Darcy Parish

West Coast
Out: Oscar Allen, In: Hugh McCluggage

Western Bulldogs
Out: Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, In: Jack Steele

Club	In	Out
Ade	Stephens, Petty, Sparrow	23, 37
Bris	5, 13	14, 18, Neale
Carl	Hewett, Lipinski	25
Coll	26, 28, 40, Rich 2022 3rd	2023 1st
Ess	B.King, Rosas Jnr, 25	11, 48, 54, 2022 1st
Frem	Neale, 22	Cerra
Geel	Brander	Clarke
GCS	Coleman-Jones, Weideman, Gunston, 14, 18, 21, Ess 2021 1st	5, 19, 22, King, Brodie, Rankine, Rosas Jnr
GWS	MFC 2022 1st, 23	13
Haw	11, Brodie	Gunston, 21
Kang	Billings, StK 2022 2nd	20, 2022 2nd
Melb	Cerra	Weideman, Petty, Sparrow, 2022 1st
Port	Rankine	17
Rich	19, Coll 2023 1st	Coleman-Jones, 2022 3rd
StK	20, Kang 2022 2nd	Billings, 2022 2nd
Syd	48, 37	Stephens, Hewett
WCE	Clarke	Brander
WBD	54	Lipinski

Brisbane IN: Darcy Cameron + Pick 6 OUT: Lachie Neale
Fremantle IN: Lachie Neale OUT: Adam Cerra
Carlton IN: Adam Cerra OUT: Sam Petrevski-Seton + Pick 6
St Kilda IN: Sam Petrevski-Seton OUT: Luke Dunstan
Melbourne IN: Luke Dunstan OUT: Sam Weideman
Richmond IN: Sam Weideman OUT: Callum Coleman-Jones
Gold Coast IN: Callum Coleman-Jones OUT: Jordan Murdoch
Port Adelaide IN: Jordan Murdoch OUT: Riley Bonner
Geelong IN: Riley Bonner OUT: Quinton Narkle
West Coast IN: Quinton Narkle OUT: Jarrod Brander
Hawthorn IN: Jarrod Brander OUT: Jack Gunston
GWS IN: Jack Gunston OUT: Jacob Hopper
North Melbourne IN: Jacob Hopper OUT: Jared Polec
Essendon IN: Jared Polec OUT: Irving Mosquito
Western Bulldogs IN: Irving Mosquito OUT: Pattrick Lipinski
Sydney IN: Pattrick Lipinski OUT: Dylan Stephens
Adelaide IN: Dylan Stephens OUT: Jake Kelly
Collingwood IN: Jake Kelly OUT: Darcy Cameron

Ok here is my effort:
A: IN: H Greenwood, OUT B Keays
B: IN: B Keays, OUT: J Lyons
C: IN: Z Tuohy, OUT: Z Williams
Coll: IN: J Stephenson, OUT: J Roughead
E: IN: T Colyer, OUT: N Hind
F: IN: M De Boer, OUT: T Colyer
G: IN: N Vardy, OUT: Z. Tuohy
GC: IN: J Lyons, OUT: H Greenwood
GWS: IN: Z Williams, OUT: M De Boer
H: IN: R Burton, OUT: S Frost
M: IN: S Frost, OUT: B Brown
NM: IN: B Brown, OUT: J Stephenson
PP: IN: P Ryder, OUT: R Burton
R: IN: S Lloyd, OUT: T Nankervis
SK: IN: N Hind, OUT: P Ryder
S: IN: T Nankervis, OUT: T Hickey
WB: IN: J Roughead, OUT: S Lloyd
wc: IN: T Hickey, OUT: N Vardy.

There will be draft picks exchanged & I know 2 of the players have announced retirements, but I'm backing their destination clubs can convince them to go on.
I can't see this not happening. (no

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FREE AGENCY
Daniel Talia to Geelong
Tom Lynch to North Melbourne
Jake Kelly to Essendon(Adelaide get Pick 38)
Levi Casboult to Gold Coast Suns(Carlton get Pick 74)
Mitch Wallis to North Melbourne(Bulldogs Get Pick 39)
George Hewitt to Carlton(Swans get Pick 40)

Essendon: Malcolm Rosas + Chol + Pick 69
Gold Coast Suns: Coleman-Jones + Zaka + 2022 4th Rdr + Pick 47
Richmond: Sam Durham + Pick 46 + Pick 54

Richmond: Tom Mitchell + Pick 59
Hawthorn: Pick 16 + Pick 46

Richmond: Pick 44
Collingwood: Josh Caddy

Collingwood: Pick 3
Gold Coast Suns: Jordan De Goey + Pick 48

Collingwood: Patrick Lipinski + H2022 3rdR
Western Bulldogs: Chad Wingard + C2022 3rdR
Hawthorn: Mason Cox + W2002 3rdR

Carlton: Adam Cerra + Pick 32
Fremantle: Pick 6 + SPS + Jordan Clarke
Geelong: Paddy Dow + 2022 3rdR(or Pick 27)

Geelong: Pick 36
West Coast Eagles: Quinton Narkle

Brisbane Lions: Jack Gunston
Hawthorn: 2022 2ndR or 3rdR

Sydney Swans: Pick 38
Adelaide: Dylan Stephenson

Adelaide: Luke Dunstan
St Kilda: 2022 4thR

If I think of more later I'll add them but here is my crack for the badge!!

First draft, let me know what you disagree with...

Mitchell for Pick 7
Future 1st (Haw) for Future 1st (NM)
O'Brien + Pick 24 for Pick 19 + 55
Pick 21 + Future 2nd(Haw) for Pick 13 + Cogs
Pick 13 for Pick 23 + Future 2nd(Adl)
Pick 23 + 55 for Brander + 29
Gunston + Pick 29 + 62 for Pick 18 + 47 + 57
Future 3rd(Haw) for Future 3rd(Carl)
Pick 5 for Cerra
Hanrahan + 47 for Pick 35 + 53
Pick 19 + 57 for Battle + 46
Howe + 53 for Pick 31 + 67
Future 4th(Haw) for Future 4th(Ess)
Pick 31 + 56 for Lynch + 41
Pick 35 + 41 + 46 + Ceglar for pick 15 + 70
Pick 15 + 70 for Pick 17 + 60
Pick 17 + 60 for Petty + 42

ADEL: Brayden Maynard for Pick 4 and ROB, Ben Keays and James Rowe.
BRIS: 47, 51, 57, 73 and Brandon Starcevich for 2022 first rounder.
CARL: Adam Cerra for Sam Walsh and Pick 6.
COLL: Christian Petracca for Darcy Moore, Brayden Maynard, Taylor Adams and a future third.
ESS: Mason Cox for Jake Stringer and Pick 11
FRE: Lochie O'Brien and a future fifth rounder for Adam Cerra
GEE: Shaun Burgoyne, Pick 21, 24 for Jack Henry, Queintin Narkle, Charlie Constable and Pick 30, 32, 34.
GC: Sampson Ryan for Matt Rowell
GWS: 14, 18, 47, 51, 57, 73, and Lachie Neale for Tom Green, Shane Mumford, Stephen Coniglio, Bobby Hill, Pick 2, 1st Rounder 2022, Nick Haynes and Jeremy Finlayson.
HAW: Mitchell for Pick 10
MELB: Tom Hickey for Max Gawn.
NM: Pick 1 for 3, 19, 22 and Hugh Greenwood.
PA: Brad Crouch for Riley Bonner and 2023 2nd.
STK: Pick 67 for Luke Dunstan
SYD: Jack Madgen for Dylan Stephens, Pick 31.
WB: Adam Treloar for Pick 14 and a future second.
WC: Sam Weideman for Tim Kelly

Adelaide In: Dawson Out: Pick 23 +future second

Brisbane In: Weideman Out: Archie Smith, Pick 57

Carlton In: Cerra Out: Pick 6 +25

Collingwood In: Pick 2, 25, 64 Future second (Port) Lipinski Out: Grundy, Sidebottom, Cox

Essendon In: Stephens Out: Future second

Fremantle In: Jordan Clarke, Coniglio, Pick 6 Out: Cerra, pick 27, future second

Geelong In: Pick 27 Out: Jordan Clarke, Pick 52

Gold Coast In: Sidebottom, Pick 49 Out: Pick 43, Brodie

GWS In: Grundy, Pick 52, 56, future second (freo) Out: Coniglio, Pick 2, Finlayson, Riccardi

Hawthorn In: Pick 16 Out: Tom Mitchell, Pick 56

Melbourne In: Pick 46 + 57 Out: Weideman

North Melbourne In: Coleman-Jones, Pick 44 Out: Pick 20

Port Adelaide In: Finlayson, Tom Mitchell Out: Future second, Pick 16

Richmond In: Pick 20 Out: Coleman-Jones, Pick 44

St Kilda In: Brander, Cox Out: 46, 64

Sydney In: Pick 23 + future second (Adelaide) , future 2nd (Ess) Out: Dawson, Stephens

West Coast In: Riccardi, Brodie Out: Brander, Pick 49

Western Bulldogs In: 43 Out: Lipinski

OK, this was very tough!!
Tried to make it realistic as possible with what teams are actually trying to do (Coll and WB getting points this year, STK wanting picks this year, GC happy to move out of this years draft a bit), but also had to add some players that might not move, like Hunt.

Adel
In: Dawson, 64
Out: 23, future 2nd, 59

Brisbane
In: Fort, Cox
Out: 47, 51, 57

Carlton
In: Cerra
Out: 6, SSP

Collingwood
In: 43, 47, 51, Lipinski
Out: Cox, future 2nd, future 3rd

Essendon
In: McPherson, Long
Out: Future 2nd, future 3rd

Fremantle
In: 6, Clark, 55
Out: Cerra, 27

Geelong
In: 27, 54, future 3rd (Coll)
Out: Clark, Fort

Gold Coast
In: future 2nd (Adel), future 3rd (WC), future 2nd (ESS), future 3rd (WB)
Out: Brodie, McPherson, 22, 43, 55

GWS
In: Hartlett, future 3rd (Ess)
Out: Riccardi, 68

Hawthorn
In: future 2nd (STK)
Out: O'Brien

Melbourne
In: 38, 44
Out: Hunt, 54

North Melbourne
In: Riccardi, Coleman-Jones
Out: 38, future 3rd

Port Adelaide
In: O'Brien, future 3rd (NM), 35
Out: Ladhams, Hartlett, 60

Richmond
In: Hunt, 67
Out: Coleman-Jones, 44

St Kilda
In: 22, 57, 59
Out: Long, future 2nd, 64

Sydney
In: 23, future 2nd (Coll)
Out: Dawson, 67

West Coast
In: Brodie, SSP, 60, 68
Out: Brander, 35, 49, future 3rd

Western Bulldogs
In: Ladhams, 49
Out: Lipinski, future 3rd

Team	Out	In
Adelaide (4,23,37,59,63)	23 (to ML via WB) & 37 (to WB)	Jordan Dawson (from SYD)
Brisbane (14,18,47,51,57,73)	14, 18 & 51 (to STK)	9 (from STK) & 22 (from GCS via STK)
Carlton (6,25,61)	6 (to FRE), Paddy Dow (to HAW)	Adam Cerra (from FRE), Lewis Young (from WB), 45 (from COLL)
Collingwood (36,39,41,45)	39 (to FRE via CARL), 45 (to CARL) Max Lynch (to GEE)	32, 34 & Nathan Kreuger (from GEE)
Essendon (11,48,53)	48 (to STK)	Jack Lonie (from STK)
Fremantle (8,27)	Adam Cerra (to CARL)	6 (from CARL), 39 (from COLL via CARL)
Geelong (30,32,34,52)	32, 34 & Nathan Kreuger (to COLL)	24 (from HAW via COLL via CARL), Max Lynch (from COLL) future 4th rd pick (from COLL)
Gold Coast (3,19,22,43,55,58,66)	22 (to BN via STK)	Josh Battle (from STK)
GWS (2,13,50,68)	2 (to RIC)	7, 15 (from RIC) & 38 (from NM via RIC)
Hawthorn (5,21,24,56,62)	24 (to GEE via COLL via CARL)	Paddy Dow (from CARL)
Melbourne (33,42,54)	33 & 42 (to WB)	23 (from ADL via WB)
North Melbourne (1,20,38,69)	38 (to GWS via RIC)	Callum Coleman-Jones (from RIC)
Port Adelaide (16,60,70,71)	Peter Ladhams & 60 (to RIC)	40 & 44 (from RIC)
Richmond (7,15,26,28,40,44)	7 & 15 (to GWS), 40 & 44 (to Port)	2 (from GWS), Peter Ladhams 19 Peter Ladhams Age 28 Ht 204cm Wt 103kg Pos. F/R Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 6.8 3 HB 8.8 5 M 2.0 2 T 2.0 4 G 0.3 3 D 21.0 5 K 9.0 4 HB 12.0 5 M 3.0 3 T 2.0 3 G 0.0 1 D 14.6 4 K 6.4 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.8 2 T 2.0 4 G 0.4 3 & 60 (from Port)
St. Kilda (9,46,64)	9 (to BN), Jack Lonie (to ESS)	14, 18 & 51 (from BN), 48 (from ESS)
Sydney (12,31,67)	Jordan Dawson (to ADL)	17 (from WB via ADL)
West Coast (10,29,35,49,65)	49 (to WB via CARL)	Sam Petrevski-Seton (from CARL)
Western Bulldogs (17,72)	17 (to SYD via ADL), Lewis Young (to CARL)	37 (from ADL) 33 & 42 (from ML via ADL), 49 (from WCE via CARL)

adel	future 3rd (ess), dawson, 40	23, 44, future 2nd, future 3rd
bris	8, 27, fort	14, 18, 50, 60
carl	cerra, future 3rd (freo), 41	6, future second, petrevski-seton
coll	lipinski, 26, future 3rd (adel)	22, 43,lynch
ess	22, 59, future 4th (coll), future 4th (freo)	51, 56, future 3rd, future 2nd
freo	2, 14, clarke, 50, brodie, future 3rd (GWS)	cerra, future 3rd, future 4th, 8, 27, future 2nd
geel	18, 60, brander	clarke, fort, 41
gws	6, future 2nd (freo), future 2nd (carl)	2, future 3rd
gold	7, 28, future 2nd (ess), future 2nd (dogs), future second (adel)	brodie,3, 19, 61
haw	17, lynch	ceglar, 59, 24
melb	24, 75	33,45
north	coleman-jones, 67	tarrant, 40, xerri
port	31	ladhams
rich	tarrant, 3, 19, 23, 61	coleman-jones, 7, 15, 26, 28
saints	xerri	67
syd	ladhams, 15	31, dawson
eagles	petrevski-seton	brander
dogs	ceglar, 33, 43, 44, 45, 51, 56	lipinski, 17, 75, future 2nd

It's the leading goal kicker carousel! Every club's leading scorer moves to the next club:

Adelaide: Out: Walker In: Bruce
Brisbane: Out: Cameron In: Walker
Carlton: Out: Mackay In: Cameron
Essendon: Out: Stringer In: Mackay
Fremantle: Out: Taberner In: Stringer
Geelong: Out: Hawkins In: Taberner
Gold Coast: Out: King In: Hawkins
GWS: Out: Greene In: King
Hawthorn: Out: Breust In: Greene
Melbourne: Out: Fritsch In: Breust
North Melbourne: Out: Larkey In: Fritsch
Port Adelaide: Out: Dixon In: Larkey
Richmond: Out: Riewolt In: Dixon
St Kilda: Out: King In: Riewolt
Sydney: Out: Franklin In: King
West Coast: Out: Darling In: Franklin
Western Bulldogs: Out: Bruce In: Darling

Some surprisingly even trades there.

Team	Out	In
Adelaide (4,33,59,75)	Melb Fut 1st	Dawson
Brisbane (14,18,47,51,57,73)	47,51	Fort,52
Carlton (6,25,61)	25,61	28,49,Bulldogs Future 3rd
Collingwood (27,36,39,41,45)	Max Lynch,27,36,39	Lipinski,43,44,47,55,66
Essendon (11,48,53)	Ess Future 2nd	Bobby Hill
Fremantle (8,19,22,62,69)	Lobb,22,62	Clark, GWS Future 2nd
Geelong (30,32,34,52)	Clark,34,52	Ceglar,22,51,62
Gold Coast (3,19,22,43,55,58,66)	43,55,58,66	27
GWS (2,13,50,68)	Bobby Hill, GWS Future 2nd	Lobb,Ess Future 2nd
Hawthorn (5,21,24,56,62)	Ceglar	Max Lynch,58
Melbourne (17,37,49,54)	37,49,54	23
North Melbourne (1,20,42,47,69)	Xerri,42,69	Long, Port Fut 3rd
Port Adelaide (16,60,70,71)	Ladhams, Powell-Pepper, Port Future 3rd	Sydney Fut 1st,29,42,69
Richmond (7,15,26,28,38,40,44)	28,38	25
St. Kilda (9,62,66)	Long	Xerri,Port Future 3rd
Sydney (12,31,67)	Dawson, Sydney Fut 1st	Ladhams,Melb Fut 1st
West Coast (10,29,35,49,65)	29	Powell-Pepper
Western Bulldogs (23,44,45,52)	Lipinski,23, Bulldogs Future 3rd	36,37,38,39,54,61

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Mr Magic · Aug 31, 2021

Shouldn't this thread be in the comedy or humour section?

Mego Red · Aug 31, 2021

briztoon said:
Brisbane would definitely do this, as we have a highly rated father son kid next year.

We have 2 third round picks and 2 fourth round picks this year which we’re unlikely to use.

Personally, I’d happily trade first round picks with Bulldogs, and trade them al four later round picks for a future third and fourth round picks.

As long as Daicos is bid on first, that improves some or all of the Bulldogs picks as well, as the Collingwood picks are removed from the draft order.

So you'd trade for ANOTHER first this year, and the Bulldogs needs to delist how many players to use all those back end picks?

Also - your final four picks are only worth 700 pts total, so they're not helping THAT much in trying to get a 1800 pt bid together. They're delisting four players to get the point equivalent of a mid second round pick

Mego Red · Aug 31, 2021

Superstar swan said:
Dyl stephens + 13 for Darcy Moore

30

Darcy Moore

Age
30

Ht

203cm

Wt
100kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D
11.1

3

K
7.0

3

HB
4.1

3

M
4.8

5

T
1.6

4

MG
169.1

3

D
13.9

3

K
7.3

3

HB
6.6

4

M
4.9

5

T
0.7

1

MG
182.0

3

D
6.8

2

K
4.2

2

HB
2.6

3

M
2.6

3

T
1.8

4

MG
87.4

2

.

Pies get cap relief, a former top 5 pick and enough points to draft daicos

Hmmmm - I don't hate it.

Anythings_sipposible · Aug 31, 2021

Virgin Dog said:
I've been inspired by perplexed to make this abomination

Team Out In
Adelaide Strachan, 37 Stephens
Brisbane 15, 18 12, Future 2nd (Fre), Future 2nd (Port)
Carlton 6, 25, Fisher Cerra, 49
Collingwood Lynch 46
Essendon Shiel, Future 1st 20, Dunkley
Fremantle Cerra, Schultz, Future 2nd 6, Future 1st (Mel), Fisher
Geelong Clark, Narkle, 35 Brander, Ceglar, 25
Gold Coast 22, 43 Ladhams + 31
GWS 2, 13 1, 26
Hawthorn 24, Ceglar Lynch, Schultz
Melbourne Future 1st, Weideman 15, 43
North Melbourne 1, 20 2, 13, Weideman
Port Adelaide Future 2nd, Ladhams Shiel
Richmond 26 37, Narkle
St. Kilda Battle, 46 24
Sydney Stephens, 12, 31 18, 22, Lipinski
West Coast Brander, 29, 36, 49 14, Clark
Western Bulldogs 14, Lipinski, Dunkley Strachan, 29, 35, 36, Future 1st (Ess)

My favourite part of this trade is that Josh Battle goes out, but never goes in. I can only assume that, in an AFL first, the Saints have made the rather bold decision to trade with the ether.
I can also only assume that, considering this 18 legger is meant to make everyone unhappy, this trade is then flagged by the AFL, and the Saints are then stripped of future draft picks and the rights to draft Nick Riewoldts sons are given to the Bulldogs.

Prochard123 · Aug 31, 2021

Superstar swan said:
Dyl stephens + 13 for Darcy Moore.

Pies get cap relief, a former top 5 pick and enough points to draft daicos

The funnest part about our performance in last year's trade period is that now every club adamantly think we are stupid.

Stephens has shown nothing since being drafted, and is virtually worthless, especially since walking him through the PSD is a genuine threat (given we have pick 2).

So pretty much pick 13 for a 25 years old AA CHB?

powerrrrrrrrrrrr · Aug 31, 2021

The Giants should look to trade Toby Greene. He is magical at his best but he regularly disrupts the team with constantly getting suspended.

Will be suspended for this weeks semi.

Was suspended for the 2019 prelim.

Was fined $2500 in the 2018 elimination final for kneeing Heeney.

You just cannot continue to have someone who is just about 50/50 every final to get suspended and potentially throw off the whole teams season for his own poor actions.

If they could pull out 2 x first rounders for him, they should consider pulling the pin.

Teams at the top gunning for a premiership will pay that price now knowing they are strong enough to cover him if he gets suspended but the giants aren’t in that position.

Port have lots of small forwards.
Lions could be a good fit.
Melbourne he’d fit in great
Dogs would be great too after Jamarra and Darcy on the cheap.

Needs a team with senior players around him too pull him into line while the Giants walk away with 2 firsts.

Superstar swan · Aug 31, 2021

Prochard123 said:
The funnest part about our performance in last year's trade period is that now every club adamantly think we are stupid.

Stephens has shown nothing since being drafted, and is virtually worthless, especially since walking him through the PSD is a genuine threat (given we have pick 2).

So pretty much pick 13 for a 25 years old AA CHB?

Just depends what Collingwood cap is like and how desperate to they are to get daicos without burning too much in the future

briztoon · Aug 31, 2021

Mego Red said:
So you'd trade for ANOTHER first this year, and the Bulldogs needs to delist how many players to use all those back end picks?

Also - your final four picks are only worth 700 pts total, so they're not helping THAT much in trying to get a 1800 pt bid together. They're delisting four players to get the point equivalent of a mid second round pick

I’m aware of all that.

Please read the whole post, as there are important points that demonstrate how the Bulldogs can accrue extra points.

First, the Bulldogs look to possibly be losing a couple of players during trade periodlooking for opportunities elsewhere.

I don’t know the state of the Bulldogs list, so don’t know how many players they may look to delist.

There are mechanisms to take “extra” picks to the draft, due to nature of the fluidity of list spots and how many rookie spots.

Teams can have a minimum of 35 senior list spots plus 6 rookies, to 38 senior list spots and 4 rookies.

It’s possible to delist some contracted players (typically players with one or two years left on a contract, who you wouldn’t care if another team “stole” off you, and are likely to be delisted when their contract expires in the future), with a commitment to redraft them in the rookie draft.

This opens up extra senior list spots, to use at for points.

If you have 4 available rookie list spots, you can commit to redraft 4 players. This could give a team 6 National Draft picks, but you pass on the last 2, and push those picks in to the rookie draft as well.

There are ways creative list managers can open up extra picks for the draft, without actually having to use them in the draft.

You can also factor in we’re likely to see a similar situation to last year’s draft, where we only have around 60 players drafted.

Teams like Richmond and Gold Coast aren’t going to use all their late picks, so when the final draft order is announced, teams will be discarding picks they won’t use, and late picks will move up, and accrue more value.

So if the Bulldogs hold pick 72 and 71 (combined value of 48 points), and when the final draft order is announced, those picks move up to pick 60 and 59, and now have a combined value of 304 points. Bulldogs just added 256 points without doing anything.

And, as long Daicos is bid on first, picks 60 and 59 will move up 3 spots each, and now be worth 376 points.

In accounting terms, the Bulldogs are raining points without doing anything.

Oh, and with my proposed trade scenario Brisbane will find itself in the exact same situation as next year.

Prochard123 · Aug 31, 2021

Superstar swan said:
Just depends what Collingwood cap is like and how desperate to they are to get daicos without burning too much in the future

So your trade suggest is based on the opposition club being "desperate", says alot about how realistic it is

briztoon · Aug 31, 2021

Mego Red said:
So you'd trade for ANOTHER first this year, and the Bulldogs needs to delist how many players to use all those back end picks?

Also - your final four picks are only worth 700 pts total, so they're not helping THAT much in trying to get a 1800 pt bid together. They're delisting four players to get the point equivalent of a mid second round pick

If you read my previous post. Just with a Daicos bid coming first, Brisbane’s current picks where they are right now, all move up 3 selections and are worth 908 points.

On draft night, I’d be pretty confident of them being worth more, after some picks that won’t be used are removed from the draft order.

Superstar swan · Aug 31, 2021

Prochard123 said:
So your trade suggest is based on the opposition club being "desperate", says alot about how realistic it is

It’s really not that bad of a deal? What do You think the club would get for Moore ? Pick 1? For a bloke over halfway through his career and body breaks down regularly

Prochard123 · Aug 31, 2021

Superstar swan said:
It’s really not that bad of a deal? What do You think the club would get for Moore ? Pick 1? For a bloke over halfway through his career and body breaks down regularly

I'm not sure what you want me to say, you even admitted yourself that this deal is contingent on the opposition club "being desperate" lol, isn't that enough said?

Darcy Moore is 25, not 28, not 32, he is 25. If we start discounting the trade value of someone who has been a key position All Australian at 25, and right when he entered the peak years of his career, should everyone 26+ be traded for peanuts?

It's absolutely a horrendous suggestion and there is no chance we'd consider it lol, even if Ned Guy was still here.

PMBangers · Aug 31, 2021

Team	In	Out
Adelaide	Tom Hutchesson	Tom Doedee
Brisbane	Zach Sproule	Harris Andrews
Carlton	Cam Fleeton	Jacob Weitering
Collingwood	Shane Mumford	Brodie Grundy
Essendon	Sam J. Reid	Andrew McGrath
Fremantle	Stephen Congilio (paying full contract)	Caleb Serong & Andrew Brayshaw 8 Andrew Brayshaw Age 26 Ht 185cm Wt 88kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 16.8 4 K 7.6 3 HB 9.3 5 M 2.6 3 T 4.8 5 CL 2.1 4 D 18.4 4 K 7.6 3 HB 10.8 5 M 3.3 3 T 4.8 5 CL 3.1 4 D 12.6 4 K 6.0 3 HB 6.6 4 M 2.6 3 T 4.0 5 CL 0.8 3 (also paying full contract)
Geelong	Jake Stein	Tom Stewart
Gold Coast	Kieran Briggs	Ben King
GWS	Tom Doedee, Harris Andrews 31 Harris Andrews Age 29 Ht 200cm Wt 98kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 12.8 3 K 7.4 3 HB 5.4 4 M 5.6 5 T 1.6 4 MG 151.7 2 D 17.0 4 K 9.0 4 HB 8.0 4 M 4.0 4 T 2.0 3 D 9.8 3 K 5.0 2 HB 4.8 4 M 3.4 4 T 1.6 4 MG 94.0 2 , Jacob Weitering 23 Jacob Weitering Age 28 Ht 195cm Wt 102kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 13.8 4 K 9.1 4 HB 4.7 3 M 5.6 5 T 1.3 3 MG 189.4 3 No current season stats available D 16.8 4 K 10.8 4 HB 6.0 4 M 6.0 5 T 0.8 3 MG 263.4 4 , Brodie Grundy 4 Brodie Grundy Age 32 Ht 202cm Wt 105kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 17.5 4 K 8.0 3 HB 9.6 5 CL 4.1 5 HO 32.0 5 D 16.4 4 K 6.8 3 HB 9.6 5 CL 4.0 5 HO 34.6 5 D 13.8 4 K 5.2 2 HB 8.6 5 CL 2.6 5 HO 20.6 5 , Andrew McGrath 1 Andrew Mcgrath Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 83kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 22.7 5 K 11.6 4 HB 11.1 5 M 1.6 2 T 6.4 5 MG 252.9 4 D 22.7 5 K 11.6 4 HB 11.1 5 M 1.6 2 T 6.4 5 MG 252.9 4 D 22.0 5 K 11.0 4 HB 11.0 5 M 1.2 2 T 6.4 5 MG 219.0 4 , Caleb Serong 3 Caleb Serong Age 25 Ht 180cm Wt 87kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 13.0 3 K 7.0 3 HB 6.0 4 M 1.8 2 T 3.6 5 CL 2.6 4 D 13.0 3 K 7.0 3 HB 6.0 3 M 1.8 2 T 3.6 4 CL 2.6 4 D 13.0 4 K 7.0 3 HB 6.0 4 M 1.8 2 T 3.6 5 CL 2.6 5 (paying 0 salary), Tom Stewart, Ben King 34 Ben King Age 25 Ht 202cm Wt 98kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 7.2 2 K 5.0 2 HB 2.2 2 M 3.5 4 T 0.5 3 G 1.3 5 D 7.5 2 K 5.6 2 HB 1.9 1 M 3.6 4 T 0.3 1 G 1.5 5 D 6.8 2 K 4.4 2 HB 2.4 3 M 3.2 4 T 0.2 3 G 1.0 4 , Will Day 12 Will Day Age 24 Ht 191cm Wt 83kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 17.5 4 K 10.0 4 HB 7.5 5 M 5.0 5 T 1.0 3 CL 0.5 2 D 17.5 4 K 10.0 4 HB 7.5 4 M 5.0 5 T 1.0 2 CL 0.5 3 D 17.5 5 K 10.0 4 HB 7.5 5 M 5.0 5 T 1.0 3 CL 0.5 3 , Luke Jackson 9 Luke Jackson Age 24 Ht 199cm Wt 102kg Pos. F/R Career Season Last 5 D 8.3 2 K 3.3 1 HB 5.0 4 M 1.5 2 T 1.0 3 G 0.3 3 D 8.3 2 K 3.3 1 HB 5.0 3 M 1.5 2 T 1.0 2 G 0.3 3 D 8.3 3 K 3.3 2 HB 5.0 4 M 1.5 2 T 1.0 3 G 0.3 3 , Tarryn Thomas 26 Tarryn Thomas Age 26 Ht 190cm Wt 83kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 11.0 3 K 5.3 2 HB 5.7 4 M 2.1 2 T 3.3 5 CL 0.9 3 D 7.8 2 K 4.0 1 HB 3.8 3 M 1.3 1 T 3.2 4 CL 0.2 2 D 12.8 4 K 6.2 3 HB 6.6 4 M 2.8 3 T 3.8 5 CL 0.4 3 , Zak Butters 9 Zak Butters Age 25 Ht 181cm Wt 77kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 14.3 4 K 7.7 3 HB 6.7 4 M 3.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.8 3 D 14.7 4 K 8.9 4 HB 5.9 3 M 3.9 4 T 2.9 4 CL 1.1 3 D 17.0 5 K 9.0 4 HB 8.0 5 M 3.6 4 T 1.6 4 CL 0.6 3 , Noah Balta 21 Noah Balta Age 26 Ht 194cm Wt 105kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 9.8 2 K 6.7 3 HB 3.1 3 M 2.7 3 T 1.9 4 MG 236.3 4 D 12.0 3 K 6.7 3 HB 5.3 3 M 4.0 4 T 0.3 1 MG 233.0 4 D 7.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 2.0 2 M 1.8 2 T 1.8 4 MG 217.4 4 , Braeden Campbell, Errol Gulden, Max King Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD] , Marcus Bontempelli 4 Marcus Bontempelli Age 30 Ht 194cm Wt 96kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 22.5 5 K 12.3 5 HB 10.3 5 M 3.6 4 T 4.8 5 CL 4.4 5 D 18.4 4 K 9.7 4 HB 8.8 4 M 2.6 3 T 4.1 5 CL 4.0 5 D 12.0 3 K 5.8 3 HB 6.2 4 M 2.0 3 T 3.8 5 CL 1.8 4 , Elliot Yeo 6 Elliot Yeo Age 32 Ht 191cm Wt 91kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 19.5 5 K 11.7 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.6 4 T 4.5 5 CL 3.0 4 D 18.9 4 K 10.9 4 HB 8.0 4 M 2.1 2 T 5.8 5 CL 5.5 5 D 16.6 4 K 9.4 4 HB 7.2 5 M 3.6 4 T 0.6 3 CL 1.4 4	Tom Hutchesson, Zach Sproule, Cam Fleeton, Shane Mumford 41 Shane Mumford Age 39 Ht 198cm Wt 105kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 10.9 3 K 3.0 1 HB 8.0 5 CL 3.0 4 HO 29.9 5 D 7.3 2 K 1.3 1 HB 6.0 3 CL 2.3 4 HO 18.5 5 D 6.2 2 K 1.6 1 HB 4.6 4 HO 12.4 5 , Sam Reid 20 Sam Reid Age 34 Ht 196cm Wt 96kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 11.3 3 K 6.3 2 HB 5.0 4 M 4.7 4 T 2.2 4 G 1.1 4 D 12.0 3 K 6.0 2 HB 6.0 3 M 4.0 4 T 0.0 1 G 1.0 4 D 9.4 3 K 5.4 2 HB 4.0 3 M 4.4 4 T 1.8 4 G 0.4 3 , Stephen Coniglio 3 Stephen Coniglio Age 32 Ht 182cm Wt 83kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 24.5 5 K 13.0 5 HB 11.5 5 M 3.8 4 T 4.7 5 CL 4.7 5 D 21.3 5 K 12.5 5 HB 8.8 4 M 2.4 3 T 3.8 4 CL 5.4 5 D 19.2 5 K 8.2 4 HB 11.0 5 M 3.6 4 T 2.2 4 CL 3.0 5 , Jake Stein 42 Jake Stein Age 32 Ht 195cm Wt 96kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 7.8 2 K 5.2 2 HB 2.6 2 M 3.2 3 T 4.4 5 MG 101.2 2 No current season stats available D 7.8 2 K 5.2 2 HB 2.6 3 M 3.2 4 T 4.4 5 MG 101.2 2 , Kieran Briggs, Lachlan Keeffe 25 Lachlan Keeffe Age 36 Ht 204cm Wt 101kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 10.5 3 K 6.8 3 HB 3.7 3 CL 0.2 2 HO 1.4 4 D 10.0 3 K 6.0 2 HB 4.0 3 CL 0.0 1 HO 0.0 1 D 8.4 3 K 5.8 3 HB 2.6 3 CL 0.2 2 HO 0.0 1 , Braydon Preuss 11 Braydon Preuss Age 30 Ht 207cm Wt 118kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 9.1 2 K 6.1 2 HB 3.1 3 CL 1.9 4 HO 20.9 5 No current season stats available D 9.8 3 K 5.4 2 HB 4.4 4 CL 2.4 5 HO 26.2 5 , Matt Buntine, Jacob Wehr, Nick Shipley, Daniel Lloyd 38 Daniel Lloyd Age 34 Ht 187cm Wt 83kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 11.5 3 K 6.4 3 HB 5.1 4 M 2.8 3 T 3.0 5 G 0.8 4 D 7.5 2 K 5.5 2 HB 2.0 1 M 3.0 3 T 3.2 4 G 0.5 4 D 11.6 3 K 5.4 2 HB 6.2 4 M 2.6 3 T 1.8 4 G 0.8 4 , Jeremy Finlayson 11 Jeremy Finlayson Age 30 Ht 197cm Wt 93kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 13.5 3 K 9.9 4 HB 3.6 3 M 4.5 4 T 1.4 3 G 1.3 5 D 7.0 1 K 7.0 3 HB 0.0 1 M 1.0 1 T 2.0 3 G 1.0 4 D 18.4 5 K 12.6 5 HB 5.8 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.6 4 G 0.0 1 , Will Shaw, Matt De Boer
Hawthorn	Lachlan Keefe	Will Day
Melbourne	Braydon Preuss	Luke Jackson
North Melbourne	Matt Buntine	Tarryn Thomas
Port Adelaide	Jacob Wehr	Zak Butters
Richmond	Nick Shipley	Noah Balta
Sydney	Daniel Lloyd	Braeden Campbell & Errol Gulden
St Kilda	Jeremy Finlayson	Max King
Western Bulldogs	Will Shaw	Marcus Bontempelli
West Coast Eagles	Matt De Boer	Elliot Yeo

boncer34 · Aug 31, 2021

PMBangers said:
Team In Out
Adelaide Tom Hutchesson Tom Doedee
Brisbane Zach Sproule Harris Andrews
Carlton Cam Fleeton Jacob Weitering
Collingwood Shane Mumford Brodie Grundy
Essendon Sam J. Reid Andrew McGrath
Fremantle Stephen Congilio (paying full contract) Caleb Serong & Andrew Brayshaw (also paying full contract)
Geelong Jake Stein Tom Stewart
Gold Coast Kieran Briggs Ben King
GWS Tom Doedee, Harris Andrews, Jacob Weitering, Brodie Grundy, Andrew McGrath, Caleb Serong (paying 0 salary), Tom Stewart, Ben King, Will Day, Luke Jackson, Tarryn Thomas, Zak Butters, Noah Balta, Braeden Campbell, Errol Gulden, Max King, Marcus Bontempelli, Elliot Yeo Tom Hutchesson, Zach Sproule, Cam Fleeton, Shane Mumford, Sam Reid, Stephen Coniglio, Jake Stein, Kieran Briggs, Lachlan Keeffe, Braydon Preuss, Matt Buntine, Jacob Wehr, Nick Shipley, Daniel Lloyd, Jeremy Finlayson, Will Shaw, Matt De Boer
Hawthorn Lachlan Keefe Will Day
Melbourne Braydon Preuss Luke Jackson
North Melbourne Matt Buntine Tarryn Thomas
Port Adelaide Jacob Wehr Zak Butters
Richmond Nick Shipley Noah Balta
Sydney Daniel Lloyd Braeden Campbell & Errol Gulden
St Kilda Jeremy Finlayson Max King
Western Bulldogs Will Shaw Marcus Bontempelli
West Coast Eagles Matt De Boer Elliot Yeo

Delusional.

Merrett more likely for Reid.

ArdentEagle · Aug 31, 2021

PMBangers said:
Team In Out
Adelaide Tom Hutchesson Tom Doedee
Brisbane Zach Sproule Harris Andrews
Carlton Cam Fleeton Jacob Weitering
Collingwood Shane Mumford Brodie Grundy
Essendon Sam J. Reid Andrew McGrath
Fremantle Stephen Congilio (paying full contract) Caleb Serong & Andrew Brayshaw (also paying full contract)
Geelong Jake Stein Tom Stewart
Gold Coast Kieran Briggs Ben King
GWS Tom Doedee, Harris Andrews, Jacob Weitering, Brodie Grundy, Andrew McGrath, Caleb Serong (paying 0 salary), Tom Stewart, Ben King, Will Day, Luke Jackson, Tarryn Thomas, Zak Butters, Noah Balta, Braeden Campbell, Errol Gulden, Max King, Marcus Bontempelli, Elliot Yeo Tom Hutchesson, Zach Sproule, Cam Fleeton, Shane Mumford, Sam Reid, Stephen Coniglio, Jake Stein, Kieran Briggs, Lachlan Keeffe, Braydon Preuss, Matt Buntine, Jacob Wehr, Nick Shipley, Daniel Lloyd, Jeremy Finlayson, Will Shaw, Matt De Boer
Hawthorn Lachlan Keefe Will Day
Melbourne Braydon Preuss Luke Jackson
North Melbourne Matt Buntine Tarryn Thomas
Port Adelaide Jacob Wehr Zak Butters
Richmond Nick Shipley Noah Balta
Sydney Daniel Lloyd Braeden Campbell & Errol Gulden
St Kilda Jeremy Finlayson Max King
Western Bulldogs Will Shaw Marcus Bontempelli
West Coast Eagles Matt De Boer Elliot Yeo

Not the worst I've seen!

Snuffaluphagus · Aug 31, 2021

PMBangers said:
Team In Out
Adelaide Tom Hutchesson Tom Doedee
Brisbane Zach Sproule Harris Andrews
Carlton Cam Fleeton Jacob Weitering
Collingwood Shane Mumford Brodie Grundy
Essendon Sam J. Reid Andrew McGrath
Fremantle Stephen Congilio (paying full contract) Caleb Serong & Andrew Brayshaw (also paying full contract)
Geelong Jake Stein Tom Stewart
Gold Coast Kieran Briggs Ben King
GWS Tom Doedee, Harris Andrews, Jacob Weitering, Brodie Grundy, Andrew McGrath, Caleb Serong (paying 0 salary), Tom Stewart, Ben King, Will Day, Luke Jackson, Tarryn Thomas, Zak Butters, Noah Balta, Braeden Campbell, Errol Gulden, Max King, Marcus Bontempelli, Elliot Yeo Tom Hutchesson, Zach Sproule, Cam Fleeton, Shane Mumford, Sam Reid, Stephen Coniglio, Jake Stein, Kieran Briggs, Lachlan Keeffe, Braydon Preuss, Matt Buntine, Jacob Wehr, Nick Shipley, Daniel Lloyd, Jeremy Finlayson, Will Shaw, Matt De Boer
Hawthorn Lachlan Keefe Will Day
Melbourne Braydon Preuss Luke Jackson
North Melbourne Matt Buntine Tarryn Thomas
Port Adelaide Jacob Wehr Zak Butters
Richmond Nick Shipley Noah Balta
Sydney Daniel Lloyd Braeden Campbell & Errol Gulden
St Kilda Jeremy Finlayson Max King
Western Bulldogs Will Shaw Marcus Bontempelli
West Coast Eagles Matt De Boer Elliot Yeo

Unfortunately you missed the memo where you need to make ALL teams not like the deal

PMBangers · Aug 31, 2021

Snuffaluphagus said:
Unfortunately you missed the memo where you need to make ALL teams not like the deal

Did you not see the part where we lose our captain? Broke my heart to do it

Snuffaluphagus · Aug 31, 2021

PMBangers said:
Did you not see the part where we lose our captain? Broke my heart to do it

Also, dont think I havent noticed we are the only club paying you to take our players...

PMBangers · Aug 31, 2021

Snuffaluphagus said:
Also, dont think I havent noticed we are the only club paying you to take our players...

I thought it was the least you could do =P

croweater 41 · Aug 31, 2021

PMBangers said:
Team In Out
Adelaide Tom Hutchesson Tom Doedee, Pick 4
Brisbane Zach Sproule Harris Andrews
Carlton Cam Fleeton Jacob Weitering
Collingwood Shane Mumford Brodie Grundy
Essendon Sam J. Reid Andrew McGrath
Fremantle Stephen Congilio (paying full contract) Caleb Serong & Andrew Brayshaw (also paying full contract)
Geelong Jake Stein Tom Stewart
Gold Coast Kieran Briggs Ben King
GWS Tom Doedee, Harris Andrews, Jacob Weitering, Brodie Grundy, Andrew McGrath, Caleb Serong (paying 0 salary), Tom Stewart, Ben King, Will Day, Luke Jackson, Tarryn Thomas, Zak Butters, Noah Balta, Braeden Campbell, Errol Gulden, Max King, Marcus Bontempelli, Elliot Yeo, Pick 4 Tom Hutchesson, Zach Sproule, Cam Fleeton, Shane Mumford, Sam Reid, Stephen Coniglio, Jake Stein, Kieran Briggs, Lachlan Keeffe, Braydon Preuss, Matt Buntine, Jacob Wehr, Nick Shipley, Daniel Lloyd, Jeremy Finlayson, Will Shaw, Matt De Boer
Hawthorn Lachlan Keefe Will Day
Melbourne Braydon Preuss Luke Jackson
North Melbourne Matt Buntine Tarryn Thomas
Port Adelaide Jacob Wehr Zak Butters
Richmond Nick Shipley Noah Balta
Sydney Daniel Lloyd Braeden Campbell & Errol Gulden
St Kilda Jeremy Finlayson Max King
Western Bulldogs Will Shaw Marcus Bontempelli
West Coast Eagles Matt De Boer Elliot Yeo

Fixed it for you Bangers. We weren't paying enough for ~~Tim~~Tom Hutchesson

PMBangers · Aug 31, 2021

croweater 41 said:
Fixed it for you Bangers. We weren't paying enough for ~~Tim~~Tom Hutchesson

Now you're paying too much!, could I interest you in a future 4th rounder as well?

croweater 41 · Aug 31, 2021

PMBangers said:
Now you're paying too much!, could I interest you in a future 4th rounder as well?

Sure just in case we have a player to bid for 2022 draft. Smart thinking.

mrposhman · Aug 31, 2021

briztoon said:
I’m aware of all that.

Please read the whole post, as there are important points that demonstrate how the Bulldogs can accrue extra points.

First, the Bulldogs look to possibly be losing a couple of players during trade periodlooking for opportunities elsewhere.

I don’t know the state of the Bulldogs list, so don’t know how many players they may look to delist.

There are mechanisms to take “extra” picks to the draft, due to nature of the fluidity of list spots and how many rookie spots.

Teams can have a minimum of 35 senior list spots plus 6 rookies, to 38 senior list spots and 4 rookies.

It’s possible to delist some contracted players (typically players with one or two years left on a contract, who you wouldn’t care if another team “stole” off you, and are likely to be delisted when their contract expires in the future), with a commitment to redraft them in the rookie draft.

This opens up extra senior list spots, to use at for points.

If you have 4 available rookie list spots, you can commit to redraft 4 players. This could give a team 6 National Draft picks, but you pass on the last 2, and push those picks in to the rookie draft as well.

There are ways creative list managers can open up extra picks for the draft, without actually having to use them in the draft.

You can also factor in we’re likely to see a similar situation to last year’s draft, where we only have around 60 players drafted.

Teams like Richmond and Gold Coast aren’t going to use all their late picks, so when the final draft order is announced, teams will be discarding picks they won’t use, and late picks will move up, and accrue more value.

So if the Bulldogs hold pick 72 and 71 (combined value of 48 points), and when the final draft order is announced, those picks move up to pick 60 and 59, and now have a combined value of 304 points. Bulldogs just added 256 points without doing anything.

And, as long Daicos is bid on first, picks 60 and 59 will move up 3 spots each, and now be worth 376 points.

In accounting terms, the Bulldogs are raining points without doing anything.

Oh, and with my proposed trade scenario Brisbane will find itself in the exact same situation as next year.

No way teams like Richmond, just go to the draft and surrender some 3rd round picks. If they aren't going to be used, they will be traded either to push higher up the order or into next year.

Same with Gold Coast, they will IMO be looking to trade picks into next year. Either 19 (if they get it) or 22 at the very least will likely be moved into next year, Collingwood need a 2nd in order to match a Daicos bid so will likely trade into this years draft to do so.

mrposhman · Aug 31, 2021

Prochard123 said:
I'm not sure what you want me to say, you even admitted yourself that this deal is contingent on the opposition club "being desperate" lol, isn't that enough said?

Darcy Moore is 25, not 28, not 32, he is 25. If we start discounting the trade value of someone who has been a key position All Australian at 25, and right when he entered the peak years of his career, should everyone 26+ be traded for peanuts?

It's absolutely a horrendous suggestion and there is no chance we'd consider it lol, even if Ned Guy was still here.

Agree. If the Pies are willing to let Darcy go, it will be next year as a FA. Lets be honest, they will likely be in the bottom 2 or 3 against next year and having 2 more top 5 picks next year (with Daicos this year) would be a fast way to rebuild. The trade value of Moore being traded this year is largely based on the value they can get next year.

GhostofJimJess · Aug 31, 2021

4tune8 said:
Is there anything stopping the Dogs trading out 15 this year for say the Tigers 1st next year, then trading the Tigers 1st out again to another team after a bid on Darcy to get another 1st rnd pick this year. Bit of a convoluted question, sorry.
FWIW I doubt the Tigers would do it, just an example

Why would Richmond even consider trading out their 2022 1st rounder? Apart from the huge uncertainty of it's eventual worth, they have multiple late rounders that they most likely won't be using to use as leverage.

For example, possibly offering Picks 28 (677pts), 40 (429pts), 44 (362pts) = 1458pts for Bulldogs Pick 14 (1161pts) is a starting point to get the Dogs up to enough points for young Darcy. And if Richmond offload Caddy for, say, Pick 56 or somehow get a 3rd round compo for Chol then there's another ~200pts to add to the mix.

Trading out a future 1st rounder is a recipe for disaster. Avoid at nearly all costs.

#RICHMOND15 said:
Hawthorn get Coleman-Jones and pick 7
Richmond get Tom Mitchell
I personally will be happy to see CJ go but he will undoubtedly be better up forward than Mitch Lewis or whoever Hawthorn's full-forward is these days. I know people are saying a first-rounder will be enough to get Mitchell but I'd give up our second-rounder as well to get rid of CJ.

If you're gonna take that one onto the Richmond board, you better wear a mouthguard.

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