List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

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13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[gringo2011]

He had a good month or so of footy. Apart from that period he had a poor year. I find it difficult to believe anyone would actually think he was in our best 5 players for the year. I guess the club did so must be fact!

He redeemed himself after being embarrassing for most of last year but he's playing off half back which is supposedly the easiest position in footy and not what we recruited him for. He's at least not a liability this year but still getting paid a rockstar wage for a roady output.

 

[_Maximus_12]

I reckon Gresh could be our Trac style goal kicking and line breaking mid.

Gresh is more your Ablett Jnr type of mid to me. Albeit not to that level

 

[gringo2011]

Problem is Caleb Daniel is one of the best, if not the best creative and accurate user of the ball in the game. Gresham isn't that bad but he's not in Daniel's class in that sense.

Yeah, it's not just Caleb's kicking that is good, it's his creativity and ability to open play up through his Ford thinking. He's a very unique player and Bevo was the perfect coach for him. He invented a role to get the best out of him, in a shitter set up he probably gets pigeon holed as a small forward or small accountable defender.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Wonder how McLean feels after re-signing at the Swans and now the talk is that they're chasing Ladhams.

Another decent forward/ruck on their list is Joel Amartey. Played well in his limited games this season and seems behind a few now.

Can recall him playing a good game mid year. Still very young

 

[gringo2011]

yep there's definitely a spot for that type player but the issue with our list is that currently we have too many that are competing for that role. Right now Byrnes is that 15-20 disposal medium impact player except his pace makes him look a little more exciting. Bytel until he lifts is capable of the same medium impact. Ross and Billings too.

He's better than both right now and with Byrnes and Bytel you really hope they move into the midfield rather than play running link man roles permanently. I think Bytel is a one position inside mid on top of that. Byrnes seems to be parking in that role for now.

 

[AirWinmar]

He redeemed himself after being embarrassing for most of last year but he's playing off half back which is supposedly the easiest position in footy and not what we recruited him for. He's at least not a liability this year but still getting paid a rockstar wage for a roady output.

The emphasis for other players to look for him to give him the ball was next level.

 

[MickG88]

Gresh needs to stop the ineffective high floaters. Watch the Dees mids deliver perfectly weighted balls to their forwards.

I remember hearing something during the grand final call about Melbourne using Mark Williams training footballs to improve their skills. Something about lines being painted on the ball to help with knowing if the ball is spinning the correct way the player wants it too.

Edit: I think that's how Melbourne got better at their foot skills.

 

[Sun Ra]

Yeah, it's not just Caleb's kicking that is good, it's his creativity and ability to open play up through his Ford thinking. He's a very unique player and Bevo was the perfect coach for him. He invented a role to get the best out of him, in a shitter set up he probably gets pigeon holed as a small forward or small accountable defender.

What's "Ford thinking" ?

 

[AirWinmar]

Gresh needs to stop the ineffective high floaters. Watch the Dees mids deliver perfectly weighted balls to their forwards.

It seems that he really tries to squeeze as much distance as he can out of his leg. If he could stop doing that and kick within his limitations he would improve his impact a lot as his short kicking is good.

Some of our players need to smarten up a bit downfield tho as well, ie, don't start waving your hands around calling for the ball 60 meters away from a player like Gresh, he won't get it that far.

 

[Joffaboy]

The emphasis for other players to look for him to give him the ball was next level.

If you saw the running he does and the space he was making, it made sense to give it to him more, most of the time he was ignored and we would bomb it to a pack down the line. Static.

We drafted him so he could receive the ball, if not what in hell did we get him for.

As for on non negotiables, he was terrible before the bye, after that he was asked to play HBF and was very very good. And he did not shirk his responsibility in tackling.

I will accept he deserved a whack for his terrible games in the first half of the season, but the second half, co-incidently when we had some better players back, he looked so much better.

People can blame the club for recruiting Hill, but he wasn't recruited to be Jack Steele. Don't blame Hill for something he is not. As for a HBF being easy, give me a break, no position is easy. One thing you wont have is a direct opponent so you can run around as much as your tank will let you. Perfect for Hill and he showed so much better form in the second half.

it is just wrong to blame him for wanting Hill to be the matchwnner. He isn't and never has been.

 

[Veer Right]

So far today,

Ross signs
Billings compared to Petracca
Gresh compared to Ablett

What's next?

Geary signs three year extension
Higgins compared to Dusty?
Clark compared to Ian Stewart?

 

[gringo2011]

You're right. I'm guessing.

Based on the fact he's had this contract in front of him for some time and has only just signed.

I think it's a pretty safe bet to assume other clubs didn't go after him.

The fact he's won 2 b&fs says a lot about where we've been at.

Anyway. He's still a Saint. It is what it is. My hope is he's seen as depth and only plays if injuries dictate we need him.

Unfortunately for most clubs there is a lack of available cap space and the ones with space don't need our guys. We took our Covid loading last year but even we want to hold cap space open for King so won't be big trade players. Gold Coast are over paying for a guy who actually want to move there but are having to actually pay up with picks for North to take out their trash contracting for them.

Carlton are paying overs to get anyone they can in again in another act of desperation and Collingwood are digging in bins trying to look competitive in the short term.

I reckon we have been very lucky to have called the players bluff at just the right time. They have gone out to market and realised that the market isn't hat it was a few years ago when a guy like Hill or Zac Williams who are Billings level can get $900k pa x5. In a normal year those kind of top end of the GOPs are the ones that do change clubs.

 

[Michael Scarn]

So far today,

Ross signs
Billings compared to Petracca
Gresh compared to Ablett

What's next?

Geary signs three year extension
Higgins compared to Dusty?
Clark compared to Ian Stewart?

comparing the style of 2 players is different to calling them equal quality

 

[Max the great]

Read a couple pages back. It was suggested he play the Caleb Daniel role...

This joint is mental

 

[aussierulesrules]

Not Saints related, but from Jon Ralph.

Cats early trade request for Jordan Clark was pick 8. Fair to say that was considered overs by Dockers. Their offer was pick 27. Freo need to find a pick in between. Lots of common ground but Clark is contracted.

Haha, Bell about to be Bell’d, love it!

 

[Joffaboy]

I think Bytel is a one position inside mid on top of that.

Do you think Steele is a one position inside mid? Bytel may suprise you. Seeing him rest forward he had good positional and marking skills.

Even if he is a one position inside mid, he is one that actually can kick and defends with tackling and without the ball.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Thru my eyes.....the club has been very professional.......they have not responded to Luke's spray a few weeks back.......and why would they.

The club made a decision that Luke wasn't part of the plan going foward.

Luke unfortunately doesn't agree with their assessment and dumped on the club accordingly.

Some of the hysteria in the footy media on Luke leaving us is laughable.

I imagine that over his 8 years at the club he has been very well paid considering who was on our list over his journey and what we had to pay with the TPP.

Players are let go by every club....every year.

Him dumping on the club was very disappointing but I still wish him well.

If the club reckons Dunstan "wasn't part of the plan going forward" why haven't they de-listed him? OOC and an UFA - cost to the Saints in de-listing him is zilch.

All this came to head AFTER he was dropped for the last game and replaced by a player who had under performed in exactly the same role for weeks on end and had barely played for the previous 6 weeks.

Now, unless you are deliberately trying to p*** someone off that's very poor player management.

 

[Bill Mohr]

He's better than both right now and with Byrnes and Bytel you really hope they move into the midfield rather than play running link man roles permanently. I think Bytel is a one position inside mid on top of that. Byrnes seems to be parking in that role for now.

The young guys you have mentioned including Connolly have to come on but IMO Hill, Crouch Higgins, Wood, Jones, Butler, Billings have to stand up with good football and importantly leadership. These are the money recruits- professional footballers. Getting 15-20 possessions does not cut it any more if you are playing on or around the ball or a half back flank sweeper role and especially in finals, the only proviso with that if you can kick a couple of goals with your 15 possies. We should expect a very fit team raring to go by round 1. If those guys play well then it holds the younger guys back to a degree but allows them to get good experience i.e 30 minutes a game in the middle and build up their tank for 2023. The rest of the team are players who generally perform nearly every week and dont seem to need a heap of motivation. e.g Wilkie/Membrey

 

[Joffaboy]

If the club reckons Dunstan "wasn't part of the plan going forward" why haven't they de-listed him? OOC and an UFA - cost to the Saints in de-listing him is zilch.

All this came to head AFTER he was dropped for the last game and replaced by a player who had under performed in exactly the same role for weeks on end and had barely played for the previous 6 weeks.

Now, unless you are deliberately trying to p*** someone off that's very poor player management.

I was told in July that Dunstan wouldn't be offered anything more than a token contract. Happened long before he was dropped for the last game. He was dropped because he was already gone.

Do I agree with it? Not so sure. I am sure that we have gone nowhere with him and Newnes, Acres and Ross and Billings there. I am Ok with keeping Billings, not so that much with Ross, and can see why they flicked Dunstan from a player perspective.

He would just be depth anyway, has been that for two years. He should move on and try to get a regular gig. Good luck to him.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Gresh should have games where he plays mostly mid and other games where he plays mostly forward.

The flexibility is always handy to have

 

[joydivision22]

Gresh is more your Ablett Jnr type of mid to me. Albeit not to that level

Who was Gary Albeit Jnr again?

 

[Bill Mohr]

I remember hearing something during the grand final call about Melbourne using Mark Williams training footballs to improve their skills. Something about lines being painted on the ball to help with knowing if the ball is spinning the correct way the player wants it too.

Edit: I think that's how Melbourne got better at their foot skills.

Yes, always looking for an advantage no matter how small

 

[PoppedCorn]

So far today,

Ross signs
Billings compared to Petracca
Gresh compared to Ablett

What's next?

Geary signs three year extension
Higgins compared to Dusty?
Clark compared to Ian Stewart?

And rors got champed
Been back a week or so and champed already

 

[gringo2011]

Why? Just say we trade Battle to Richmond and 9 and get two mid frdp's for that? haven't we given us more of a chance to pick up more than one gun midfielder?

Or what happens we give 9 and a player for a top 5? Don't understand your yearning to keep a certain pick.

If we have our picks in the year they are given to us it means we have a pretty good list and aren't living in future deficit. At the moment we have to do a. series of calculated gambles.

 

[gringo2011]

Did everyone see Melbourne in the GF get out through the front of the stoppage?

That's why Gresham.

I like him as a De Goey or Grey. Some high impact time on ball but maybe 60% forward.