List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread II - IN: CCJ

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Lore's 2021 Draft Order

Spoiler: Lore's 2022 Future Picks Draft Order

 

[Roo202]

Certainly far from ideal but it would probably involve future pick swaps between the 3 clubs to balance it out.

Who knows though, maybe it is just the third rounders but I can imagine WB could get a better deal than that.

I'd be telling them to get f’ed though tbh unless we heavily make up lost ground with future picks.


My bad

GC signing Chol as a FA then trading him out a couple of days later as part of a salary dump is not beyond their list management!

 

[Psicosis]

I just can't see the third rounders doing the trick if it involves WB. WB would only gain ~250 points from 38,40,42 but it would come with the caveat that it's spread over three list spots.

20 and 28 meanwhile would net them ~500 extra points and only spread over one extra pick.

So at a guess the basic form would be this, probably with an exchange/addition of later or next year's picks to balance it up a bit. Future 2nd from the dogs to us for example.

North
Out: 20
In: 26, CCJ

Richmond
Out: 26, 28, CCJ
In: 17

WB
Out: 17
In: 20, 28

So a 6-8 pick slide of our second rounder to get Chol, plus some spare change (potentially alright change for next years draft tbh).

As I said yesterday.

Luff should be sacked on the spot if that happens. Pick 20 is extremely valuable on draft night 2. Moving back 6 places (which becomes 30+ after FS & NGA bids) is seriously incompetent.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Certainly far from ideal but it would probably involve future pick swaps between the 3 clubs to balance it out.

Who knows though, maybe it is just the third rounders but I can imagine WB could get a better deal than that.

I'd be telling them to get f’ed though tbh unless we heavily make up lost ground with future picks.


My bad

Going by Luff's comments and Beveridge's comments on us concentrating on the draft, we aren't using 20 for trading, which is very useful.

 

[The Anvil]

I just can't see the third rounders doing the trick if it involves WB. WB would only gain ~250 points from 38,40,42 but it would come with the caveat that it's spread over three list spots.

20 and 28 meanwhile would net them ~500 extra points and only spread over one extra pick.

So at a guess the basic form would be this, probably with an exchange/addition of later or next year's picks to balance it up a bit. Future 2nd from the dogs to us for example.

North
Out: 20
In: 26, CCJ

Richmond
Out: 26, 28, CCJ
In: 17

WB
Out: 17
In: 20, 28

So a 6-8 pick slide of our second rounder to get Chol, plus some spare change (potentially alright change for next years draft tbh).

Not too bad, in particular if we get 19 over the line.

 

[LB2Snake]

In the above, plus today’s news re GC, we’ve gone from picks 19 and 20 yesterday to now have 26 with the same net result. This has gotta be bizarro world.

 

[The Nostradamus]

There should be no more negotiations for CCJ put up a take it or leave it offer and if tigers don’t accept just go to the PSD

 

[giantroo]

10 mins in in this age podcast re CCJ, pick 17.

The pick that could shape trade period

Michael Gleeson and Peter Ryan discuss why the Western Bulldogs’ first draft pick could help shape a number of moves.

amp.theage.com.au

 

[ferball]

Presuming it is the same person he did last night.... List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade & List Management Thread II - Trade period officially open | Page 236 | BigFooty

Cryptic post!

Pick 34 for CCJ or close enough ie 40.

 

[Devington]

If that's the base of what we're looking at I'd say the spare change would probably be the dogs 2022 second to us and our 2022 third to Richmond.

Assuming the GC 19 deal was still on, with Macpherson or someone else, but we're haggling between our future second or third, then Dog's future second would be a better deal for them.

So all up for us it could be...

In: 19,26, CCJ, Mcpherson
Out: 20, Future 3rd.

Which IMO looks pretty good as a whole.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

10 mins in in this age podcast re CCJ, pick 17.

The pick that could shape trade period

Michael Gleeson and Peter Ryan discuss why the Western Bulldogs’ first draft pick could help shape a number of moves.

amp.theage.com.au

Yea, nothing definitive there at all. Not hint it was actually discussed with North. We were discussed as afterthought to help Richmond. Getting sick of the Richmond media sycophants.

 

[tiltraise]

I just can't see the third rounders doing the trick if it involves WB. WB would only gain ~250 points from 38,40,42 but it would come with the caveat that it's spread over three list spots.

20 and 28 meanwhile would net them ~500 extra points and only spread over one extra pick.

So at a guess the basic form would be this, probably with an exchange/addition of later or next year's picks to balance it up a bit. Future 2nd from the dogs to us for example.

North
Out: 20
In: 26, CCJ

Richmond
Out: 26, 28, CCJ
In: 17

WB
Out: 17
In: 20, 28

So a 6-8 pick slide of our second rounder to get Chol, plus some spare change (potentially alright change for next years draft tbh).

A slightly better version for us could be something like this

In: CCJ, 26, 28
Out: Taz, 20, 40

 

[Psicosis]

10 mins in in this age podcast re CCJ, pick 17.

The pick that could shape trade period

Michael Gleeson and Peter Ryan discuss why the Western Bulldogs’ first draft pick could help shape a number of moves.

amp.theage.com.au

As expected, media hypothesis to benefit Richmond. No mention of any specifics bar a pick slide of North.

 

[Devington]

As I said yesterday.

Luff should be sacked on the spot if that happens. Pick 20 is extremely valuable on draft night 2. Moving back 6 places (which becomes 30+ after FS & NGA bids) is seriously incompetent.

Yeah in isolation I don't like it either. It's a bizarre report otherwise though, because like I said I just can't see the three 3rd rounders getting it done with the dogs.

 

[buttox]

There should be no more negotiations for CCJ put up a take it or leave it offer and if tigers don’t accept just go to the PSD

The tigers have already made the deal more complicated adding Taz.
Now they want to add a third club.
Are they trying to make it fall over and go PSD?

 

[Psicosis]

A slightly better version for us could be something like this

In: CCJ, 26, 28
Out: Taz, 20, 40

I don’t know how explicit I can be. The top 25 this year is seriously good. Trading out of it, would not be wise.

Why do you think so many clubs are trying to get into the 10-25 bracket?

26 will become 30 with the Darcy & Daicos F/S + Saints NGA’s.

 

[LB2Snake]

I don’t know how explicit I can be. The top 25 this year is seriously good. Trading out of it, would not be wise.

Why do you think so many clubs are trying to get into the 10-25 bracket?

26 will become 30 with the Darcy & Daicos F/S + Saints NGA’s.

Agree. All that work also to try and get 19, only to piss away 20. Makes no sense. I don’t believe it happens.

19 and 20 could net us multiple first rounders for next year too.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I don’t know how explicit I can be. The top 25 this year is seriously good. Trading out of it, would not be wise.

Why do you think so many clubs are trying to get into the 10-25 bracket?

26 will become 30 with the Darcy & Daicos F/S + Saints NGA’s.

Yep. We’ve already said 20 is not on the table.

 

[ferball]

This isn't too bad really. 40-47 on draft night will be pretty close once a few picks dissapear from father sons.
Essentially CCJ for a future 3rd happy days.

Keeps the PSD open for anything that may break down late

Caveat is nothing to tazz. But keeps tigers happy.

**** the tigers.

 

[Devington]

fu** the tigers.

I have to admit I'm not a fan of them trying to get creative with this shit. If the report is true and they're trying to make the deal more complex by including a third club AND it still involves our pick 20 then I'd be tempted to just block their number for a day or two until sanity prevails.

 

[Psicosis]

A slide of 20 to 26 is in no way a good deal for us.

 

[buttox]

A slide of 20 to 26 is in no way a good deal for us.

Agreed.
Traditionally the cliff is at pick 21.

 

[trooroo4life]

A slide of 20 to 26 is in no way a good deal for us.

Would be absolutely awful.

 

[shinboner magic]

Yep. We’ve already said 20 is not on the table.

Can we make that as one of our trade commandments

 

[Roo202]

A slide of 20 to 26 is in no way a good deal for us.

A week ago it was "jokes" about pick 1, then the "unbiased" reports were it was going to need to be 20 plus something else. All of this pick 17 talk could easily be more Tigers PR and nothing actually seriously discussed. The only public comment from NM has been Luff saying 38 was historically around the mark (and then we apparently offered less!)

 

[travelli]

Has Ccj even publicly identified us as his preferred destination?