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On the contrary, I've said I hope they are prepared to condemn sexual assault/harrassment perpetrated by women
There are allegations of women being sexually assaulted/harassed.Why would they? It has literally nothing to do with Metoo.
Your argument rests on the premise that this group would/should only condemn sexual assault/harassment if it's perpetrated by men.Explain to me how [sexual assaults perpetrated by women] has anything to do with [systemic issues of men abusing the patriarchy and positions of power to commit sexual assaults].
Metoo is a loose coalition of survivors of sexual abuse from men who have used and abused positions of power and the patriarchy to abuse those survivors.
Can you make an argument that doesn't rely on ludicrous analogies?Does a Breast cancer survivor organization (say, the Jane McGrath organization) somehow 'condone' testicular cancer by not speaking up about it? Is there an expectation that the Jane McGrath organization should publicly comment on other forms of cancer?
Let's not pretend you're the arbiter of that. You didn't know what a strawman was until five minutes ago.You're not covering yourself in glory here mate.
There are allegations of women being sexually assaulted/harassed.
That's got nothing to do with #metoo?
It's only relevant if a man did it?
I addressed this already. Using bold and underline doesn't make your argument any less arbitrary or nebulous.Yes that has literally nothing to do with #metoo.
#metoo is a loose coalition of survivors of sexual abuse from men who have used and abused positions of power and the patriarchy to abuse those survivors.
Think Weinstein/ Spacey/ Cosby/ Rolf Harris using his position of power and authority to literally rape and sexually abuse dozens of women and children, and use the same power and authority bestowed on him by the patriarchy to literally get away with it for decades, despite literally everyone in Hollywood knowing he was doing it.
They're pointing the finger at the patriarchy (the entrenched social structures that favor men and allow this sort of sh*t to happen), as much as they are the actual rapists themselves.
Back to the ludicrous analogies.That said, Im sure they have solidarity towards the victims in this case (just like the McGrath foundation have solidarity with testicular and prostate cancer survivors, despite being a breast cancer focused group), but it's not exactly what they're about.
Movember is not about Breast cancer. McGrath foundation is not about testicular cancer. They have a focus on one particular context or type of cancer, just like #metoo is primarily focused on Male perpetrators using and abusing the patriarchy to literally rape women and get away with it, despite everyone knowing they're doing it.
Why is the gender of the perpetrator more important than the fact women have claimed to be sexually assaulted/harassed?
So #metoo is defined by the gender of the perpetrator?No-one is saying it is more important. It's just #metoo are a group that focusses on calling out abuse by men, abusing positions of power and authority/ the Patriarchy to openly rape and abuse their victims.
The Cosbys, Weinsteins and Spaceys.
This analogy doesn't help your argument.It's like how BLM focus on black deaths at the hands of the Police flowing from entrenched socioeconomic disadvantage caused by racism.
That doesnt mean that BLM somehow approve of white guys getting shot by cops; it's just not what they're about.
I've addressed this already.Do you actually understand what #metoo are about mate? Why they call out their abusers publicly?
I dont think you do. Explain it to me.
So this is where we disagree.Seeing as it's aimed at men who abuse the patriarchy to abuse victims and get away with it, yes.
Is this another case of you erroneously thinking you've made a coherent point?Surely the aim of reducing cancer deaths means that money raised for breast cancer research should be directed to research on prostate cancer. SURELY??!!??
Yes that has literally nothing to do with #metoo.
#metoo is a loose coalition of survivors of sexual abuse from men who have used and abused positions of power and the patriarchy to abuse those survivors.
Think Weinstein/ Spacey/ Cosby/ Rolf Harris using his position of power and authority to literally rape and sexually abuse dozens of women and children, and use the same power and authority bestowed on him by the patriarchy to literally get away with it for decades, despite literally everyone in Hollywood knowing he was doing it.
They're pointing the finger at the patriarchy (the entrenched social structures that favor men and allow this sort of sh*t to happen), as much as they are the actual rapists themselves.
That said, Im sure they have solidarity towards the victims in this case (just like the McGrath foundation have solidarity with testicular and prostate cancer survivors, despite being a breast cancer focused group), but it's not exactly what they're about.
Movember is not about Breast cancer. McGrath foundation is not about testicular cancer. They have a focus on one particular context or type of cancer, just like #metoo is primarily focused on Male perpetrators using and abusing the patriarchy to literally rape women and get away with it, despite everyone knowing they're doing it.
This social media outpouring makes it clear that some men pose a real threat to the physical and psychic welfare of women and girls. But obscured in the public conversation about the violence against women is the fact that some other men are more likely to protect women, directly and indirectly, from the threat of male violence: married biological fathers. The bottom line is this: Married women are notably safer than their unmarried peers, and girls raised in a home with their married father are markedly less likely to be abused or assaulted than children living without their own father.
Why do women have to be responsible for “controlling” these apes?
That’s a horrendous definition of what patriarchal headship is all about, and the ‘patriarchal’ nature of social masculinity has done and continues to do much for the safety of women and the prevention of assault against them. Weinstein and co. are the antithesis of masculinity - they are effeminacy personified - and their problem, amongst so many things, is not their patriarchal scrupulosity but lack thereof.
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it seems that, rather than focusing on the condemnation of what some men are doing in a manner that implies men need to be taught not to assault women, encouraging men to marry and commit to wives is healthy for society in a variety of ways.
Broadly condemning "the patriarchy" as the root of all injustice is equally stupid.Man good, woman bad?
That’s a horrendous definition of what patriarchal headship is all about
The concept of patriarchy has been central to many feminist theories. It is an attempt to explain the stratification of power and privilege by gender that can be observed by many objective measures.
A patriarchy, from the ancient Greek patriarches, was a society where power was held by and passed down through the elder males. When modern historians and sociologists describe a "patriarchal society," they mean that men hold the positions of power and have more privilege: head of the family unit, leaders of social groups, boss in the workplace, and heads of government.
Feminist theorists have expanded the definition of patriarchal society to describe a systemic bias against women. More significant, however, was the way society perceived women in power as an exception to a collectively held view of women's "role" in society. Rather than saying that individual men oppressed women, most feminists saw that oppression of women came from the underlying bias of a patriarchal society.
No, I'm talking about the patriarchy. Specifically the patriarchal society that we all live in:
You know; a society where men hold the positions of power, have more privilege than women, run the show, and get away with sh*t on that basis (because of the existence of the patriarchy).
Feminists have been particularly critical of a system where men hold the power and social capital in society for obvious reasons.
Specifically:
Patriarchal Society Defined According to Feminism (thoughtco.com)
Feminists aren't saying 'all men are sh*t' (barring the more militant types). What feminists are saying is that a society wide patriarchy exists that enables sh*t men to be sh*t and get away with it.
Weinstein, Spacey, Cosby, Harris etc.
That's the point of #metoo. It's literally [survivors of sexual abuse] from [men who have abused the patriarchy to get away with sexual abuse], speaking out about the abuse and naming and shaming the abusers, who were otherwise getting away with it, and often openly so as well.
Female perpetrators of sexual violence (and they exist) are not abusing the patriarchy to do so, so they're outside the scope of what #metoo are on about.
Something Sweet Jesus seems unable to comprehend.
Yes patriarchy does allow a very minuscule number of mouthbreathing fkwits to do bad things to women - that's not a fault of patriarchy, it's a byproduct.
What's the difference?
The reality is these scumbags were able to openly and repeatedly rape and abuse their victims for literally decades.
I mean Hollywood was making jokes about Cosby, Weinstein and Spacey for years before they got caught. It wasnt even a secret FFS; literally everyone knew and nothing happened.
Old blokes taking advantage of their positions in the patriarchy to abuse others, and victims too scared to speak up about it.
That's what #metoo is on about.
Why do you keep framing it as 'pulling down the patriarchy'?You didn't read my post did you.
Again, what you've stated here is NOT a fault of patriarchy or any hierarchy - it's the fkwits who do the wrong.
We all know what #metoo is about and it's end game - 'pull down patriarchy and that'll fix the problem'
If that is the end game then it is futile, if that what the movement is all about then it's a hiding to nothing.
The sentiment is noble but not practical - unless of course we have a meteoric shift in mammalian nature and matriarchy assumes the role of protecting guider. After all that is the role of hierarchy, guide an protect. Anarchy sure as hell would be worse than any 'patriarchy'
What else does #metoo propose to alleviate the problems?
Again, what you've stated here is NOT a fault of patriarchy or any hierarchy - it's the fkwits who do the wrong.
The sentiment is noble but not practical - unless of course we have a meteoric shift in mammalian nature and matriarchy assumes the role of protecting guider. After all that is the role of hierarchy, guide an protect. Anarchy sure as hell would be worse than any 'patriarchy'
What else does #metoo propose to alleviate the problems?