Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[Marat]

Is it really though? Who can get by "jobseeker" or whatever it's called these days? It's well below the poverty line. Unless someone's also dealing drugs or something on the side they won't be having a good time.

I’m also describing the vast tranches of middle class welfare. People will have different views but there is a dignity in being self sufficient and not beholden to the state. I’m simply encouraging that dignity

 

[chiwigi]

I’m also describing the vast tranches of middle class welfare. People will have different views but there is a dignity in being self sufficient and not beholden to the state. I’m simply encouraging that dignity

There’s absolutely **** all dignity in not having enough to eat or a roof over your head!
There‘s even less living in a society that allows it!

 

[benblinkau]

The welfare state has been absolutely corrosive of human dignity and human potential. Its tendency is to infantalise. I will put the elderly to one side - once you have run your race I have no problem with the state helping those who have not fared well. But for the young and able it’s a poison. The typical attitude of the welfare beneficiary - dependence on the state, hatred of the state, and a general ingratitude to the community. If people are forced to struggle some may fall, but the majority will find some kernel of strength within, some guiding light that they can harness to progress and prosper. I doubt there is a crueller thing you can do to a person than to make them dependant on welfare.

Careful, you will get accused of being a nazi with that kind of logic.


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[OneGreatClub]

 

[chiwigi]

Careful, you will get accused of being a nazi with that kind of logic.


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Weren’t you upset because your Dad couldn’t get welfare?
Make your mind up.

 

[benblinkau]

Weren’t you upset because your Dad couldn’t get welfare?
Make your mind up.

My old man was laid off a few years back when the company he worked for went bust. After 45 years working and in an attempt to bridge the gap before finding new employment, he went and asked centrelink about any payments he might be able to receive in the interim. Was told he needed to be unemployed for 12 weeks before he was entitled to a cent.

I used the only example i know, of someone attempting to utilise centrelink after losing their job. Certainly didn’t shed any tears. Are you a bit thick?


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[Waspy79]

If she had it she wouldn’t play anyway.

This is a nonsense for a footy player.

Virtue signaling and knowing where your bread is buttered. Neither are valid reasons.

 

[edgie]

Why are you pretending that you can't see the difference between one of Australia's richest men making off with $22 million in taxpayer's money and some derro from Davoren Park skimming $500 a fortnight for smokes money?

As if the guy from Dav park is only getting 500

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[edgie]

I’m also describing the vast tranches of middle class welfare. People will have different views but there is a dignity in being self sufficient and not beholden to the state. I’m simply encouraging that dignity

There used to be dignity in it but we have a society with living costs spiraling further away from average wages than ever.

If the leaders of our society won't stop it at the top, then they can at least help it from the bottom up.

There's dignity in having a fair go and a fighting chance. There's no dignity in house prices that are just ****ed and fighting with two hands behind your back.

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[edgie]

I used the only example i know, of someone attempting to utilise centrelink after losing their job. Certainly didn’t shed any tears. Are you a bit thick?


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My dad was out of work for years before going to social security. I know that that may not be your situation, but after nearly a whole working life of employment (my dad was unemployed at 30 for over a decade) I do wonder what has gone wrong to go to Centrelink so quickly.

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[FishingRick04]

How about spreading the virus to the other 43 players + staff etc?

Seems like a fully faxed person has done that at the cup, so what’s it matter. Once it’s all open it will be a free for all, fully backed will get it but hopefully symptoms will be less

 

[chiwigi]

I used the only example i know, of someone attempting to utilise centrelink after losing their job. Certainly didn’t shed any tears. Are you a bit thick?


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So that’s a yes.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Seems like a fully faxed person has done that at the cup, so what’s it matter. Once it’s all open it will be a free for all, fully backed will get it but hopefully symptoms will be less

I assume everyone attending the Cup had to be vaccinated as a condition of entry?
There were two unconnected cases identified so far at the Melbourne cup.
There have not yet been any reports of them spreading to others there yet.
Time will tell.

 

[Tredz]

Is he a lesbian?

Nah - doubt he's even been to the middle east.

 

[Marat]

This thread has put me in need of the bracing tonic of Thomas Sowell

 

[Marat]

And this is a good one

 

[Chewy316]

There used to be dignity in it but we have a society with living costs spiraling further away from average wages than ever.

If the leaders of our society won't stop it at the top, then they can at least help it from the bottom up.

There's dignity in having a fair go and a fighting chance. There's no dignity in house prices that are just f’ed and fighting with two hands behind your back.

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With respect to housing prices, I would suggest that the days of being able to save for a house deposit with your one wage whilst renting at the same time is well and truly over. That is of course, unless you're willing to live in the middle of no where - and even then it will be a mighty struggle to get to that point on a single income.

As for the inner city yuppies in their 20s complaining though that they can't afford a house within 1 suburb of the middle of the CBD, theyre just kidding themselves.

 

[edgie]

Seems like a fully faxed person has done that at the cup, so what’s it matter. Once it’s all open it will be a free for all, fully backed will get it but hopefully symptoms will be less

A faxed person? Didn't know they were still around

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[Astronema]

The last few pages of this thread are pure rage-fuel omgosh

People really have no idea how terrifying and degrading it is to be dependant on welfare for the disabled. A lot of people die waiting to get on the DSP*, and even if you get there it is literally below poverty wages which means you do not have enough money to feed yourself properly unless you have an amazing housing situation.

There is no way out of that poverty and literally every interaction with centrelink is an opportunity for them to cancel your benefits for absolutely no reason - seriously they make so many mistakes. If you get married your support will be removed, if you ever manage to earn some money your support could be removed, in some places if you have too much money saved** your support will be removed. But also FOR NO REASON.

As i’ve referred to above it can take months to YEARS to get these benefits, it can be just as bad to get back on, even if it is purely a mistake on centrelink’s behalf.

A lot of these problems still exist for people who are unemployed despite being willing/able to work more than full time hours. They can still can have their income cancelled any time, they are still on poverty wages, and they are made to feel dehumanised and degraded.

*https://www.theguardian.com/austral...centrelink-granted-disability-support-pension

**im talking like $1000 in some places, it’s absolutely terrifying

 

[Papa G]

DSPs get nearly $500 a week plus rent assistance. They aren't living in the lap of luxury but FMD, its livable. Its the same as the aged pension. They get more than enough to survive.

If you've got money you can hide it in super from the assets test until you are 67.

 

[edgie]

I know how long term Centrelink works, fortunately not first hand but with father, mother, and brother who were all long term unemployed.

It's not a good life. It's not. I was a kid growing up on it. It not poverty but it isn't too far away at times. Have a roof and hot tea and that's about it. You miss out on everything that most people around you have. Got most of my footy boots from the tip shop, or the local league's donation programs. And you know, it's not supposed to be anything more than that. It's lower class, that's what it should be. Roof on head, food in belly. The basics were covered.

But having lived through it, grown up with it, you see others doing the same thing, living the same way, but they have so much more, do so much more than we ever could. Surely others have experienced the same observations. Maybe my family didn't claim absolutely everything it could, I don't know, but you can be critical that the system is clearly, clearly being used by some and somehow they are managing a more comfortable experience than most, it's only fair to ask how. It doesn't make one anti welfare.

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[OneGreatClub]

 

[Del165198]

With respect to housing prices, I would suggest that the days of being able to save for a house deposit with your one wage whilst renting at the same time is well and truly over. That is of course, unless you're willing to live in the middle of no where - and even then it will be a mighty struggle to get to that point on a single income.

As for the inner city yuppies in their 20s complaining though that they can't afford a house within 1 suburb of the middle of the CBD, theyre just kidding themselves.

Paragraph 1: housing prices are impossible on a single income

Paragraph 2: people who complain about house prices are yuppies

You just spent one paragraph saying it's a valid issue then in the second did the usual boring thing and deciding to stick the boot into young people for saying housing prices are an issue.

 

[Del165198]

DSPs get nearly $500 a week plus rent assistance. They aren't living in the lap of luxury but FMD, its livable. Its the same as the aged pension. They get more than enough to survive.

If you've got money you can hide it in super from the assets test until you are 67.

Rent assistance is capped. $500 a week is sweet **** all. Imagine trying to manage a medical condition on $500 a week. What an arrogant statement.

Know many people living on a DSP on their own do you?

 

[Hardcore]

I used the only example i know, of someone attempting to utilise centrelink after losing their job. Certainly didn’t shed any tears. Are you a bit thick?


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The 12 week wait is in place for those who receive a payout upon being let go or they have excess cash in the bank, if you dad had been employed for the time you said he would have received a redundancy


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