Oh, since when did that change, so the vaccine doesn't stop you getting the virus?
Nope!
Does a pretty decent job of keeping you out of hospital though.
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Oh, since when did that change, so the vaccine doesn't stop you getting the virus?
Oh, since when did that change, so the vaccine doesn't stop you getting the virus?
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/approved-vaccines/how-they-work
How the vaccines work
These vaccines will protect you from getting severely ill or dying if you get COVID-19.
The vaccines train your immune system to recognise and clear out the virus, before it makes you seriously ill. Your body's immune system builds this protection over time.
You are fully protected 7 to 14 days after your second dose.
The virus that causes COVID-19 (called SARS-CoV-2) has spikes of protein on each viral particle. These spike proteins allow the virus to attach to cells and cause disease.
The vaccines help the body to:
- recognise these spike proteins as a threat
- fight the coronavirus that has these proteins...
From that article, it suggests that people without symptoms present a small risk of being infectious. But apparently the narrative of vaccines has moved on from preventing infection (and never was) and is now about preventing serious illness.
Omicron should be a game changer in how we approach the virus - it's mostly about the same severity as a cold. But governments and the media seem to be fixated by 'cases'. A case being a +ve test for Sars-Cov-2 without the requirement for any symptoms. Queues for tests are kilometers long. Vital services are short staffed due to isolation rules.
Are the measures against Omicron are having more impact than the illness?
Jan 2, 2022One important -- and dangerous -- way the Omicron surge is different than previous surges in the US
By Christina Maxouris, CNN (CNN) -- The US kicked off 2022 amid a massive Covid-19 case spike -- driven by the highly contagious Omicron variant -- that some experts warn will be different than awww.cbs58.com
(CNN) -- The US kicked off 2022 amid a massive Covid-19 case spike -- driven by the highly contagious Omicron variant -- that some experts warn will be different than any other time in the pandemic.
"What we have to understand is that our health system is at a very different place than we were in previous surges," professor of emergency medicine Dr. Esther Choo told CNN on Saturday. "We have extremely high numbers of just lost health care workers, we've lost at least 20% of our health care workforce, probably more."
"This strain is so infectious," Choo added, "that I think all of us know many, many colleagues who are currently infected or have symptoms and are under quarantine."
The high number of health care staff out with the virus will also have an impact on Americans' doctors appointments and could make for dangerous circumstances when people are hospitalized with Covid-19, Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of Baylor University's National School of Tropical Medicine, said Friday.
"That's a different type of one-two punch: people going into the hospitals ... and all of the health care workers are out of the workforce," he told CNN.
But the latest variant isn't just shrinking health care staff numbers. As the virus spreads like wildfire across American communities, staffing problems are already altering parts of daily life.
Plagued with staffing issues, New York City's Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) announced last week several subway lines were suspended.
In Ohio, the mayor of Cincinnati declared a state of emergency due to staffing shortages in the city's fire department following a rise in Covid-19 infections, saying in the declaration that if the problem goes unaddressed, it would "substantially undermine" first responders' readiness levels.
And in the middle of a busy holiday season, thousands of flights have been canceled or delayed as staff and crew call out sick.
"We're seeing a surge in patients again, unprecedented in this pandemic," Dr. James Phillips, chief of disaster medicine at George Washington University Hospital, warned on Saturday. "What's coming for the rest of the country could be very serious and they need to be prepared..."
There is the suggestion from that same source that some non mRNA vax take longer to reach effectiveness, and may maintain effectiveness longer. I wonder how much if any that is affected by a british perspective on AZ?With hospitalisations there's a lot of 'incidentals' ie patients being admitted for broken bones, labour pains or mental health issues etc who happen to test positive for Sars-Cov2. So it appears like the number of Covid-19 hospitalisations is rising. This report says up to half of NSW cases were admitted for something else.
74 per cent of NSW ICU patients since December 16 had the Delta variant. 62 per cent of ICU patients with the Delta variant since December 16 were not vaccinated or had one dose of vaccine. So there's an over-representation in non-vaxxed. But it also means 38% of ICU patients were double vaccinated. It's a long way from the promises last year that the vaccines would be a "dead end" to the virus. Or the claims from the vaccine trials that they gave 95% protection.
It's likely that Omicron has already taken over from Delta in Australia. It's still early to say how it will impact on the ICU numbers and whether being double, triple or quadruple vaccinated gives protection.
The narrative.But apparently the narrative of vaccines has moved on from preventing infection (and never was) and is now about preventing serious illness.
Source for 600,000? thanksIn the least surprising plot twist to all the nonsensical rules, Novak Djokovic has been given an exemption to compete in the Australian Open.
So there's approximately 600,000 people in Victoria who are unable to attend this tennis tournament because of vaccine mandate rules. Those same people are unable to get a job to provide for their families.
Whereas an overseas player with undeclared vaccine status can fly in and make $4.5 million in a couple of weeks for a swinging a racquet.
With hospitalisations there's a lot of 'incidentals' ie patients being admitted for broken bones, labour pains or mental health issues etc who happen to test positive for Sars-Cov2. So it appears like the number of Covid-19 hospitalisations is rising. This report says up to half of NSW cases were admitted for something else.
74 per cent of NSW ICU patients since December 16 had the Delta variant. 62 per cent of ICU patients with the Delta variant since December 16 were not vaccinated or had one dose of vaccine. So there's an over-representation in non-vaxxed. But it also means 38% of ICU patients were double vaccinated. It's a long way from the promises last year that the vaccines would be a "dead end" to the virus. Or the claims from the vaccine trials that they gave 95% protection.
It's likely that Omicron has already taken over from Delta in Australia. It's still early to say how it will impact on the ICU numbers and whether being double, triple or quadruple vaccinated gives protection.
This has always been about reducing the impact of Covid, not killing it outright. Reducing the strain on our health services as much as possible. Check this out;
See, it's a reactionary vaccine, because the virus in this case isn't really alive. It just replicates itself once it finds a host, f*cking said host up in the process. The only way forward is to recognise then thwart the severity of the attack after its already started.
In the least surprising plot twist to all the nonsensical rules, Novak Djokovic has been given an exemption to compete in the Australian Open.
So there's approximately 600,000 people in Victoria who are unable to attend this tennis tournament because of vaccine mandate rules. Those same people are unable to get a job to provide for their families.
Whereas an overseas player with undeclared vaccine status can fly in and make $4.5 million in a couple of weeks for a swinging a racquet.
ah yes, the old round about theory, a solid classicThe thing about vaccines, all of them, is that they are usually only be valid against known variants or strains. Omicron wasn't known of when the health services scrambled against the original strain, or Alpha, or Delta. Mutations can be anticipated but they can never actually be countered until they reveal themselves. As it goes right now omicron is hampered a good bit by the vaccines and especially the repeat boosters we've come up with so far, but that's it. It has evaded even double-vaxxed defences and now we all need a third round of injections to be safe.
Never forget that as we learn, so does the virus. Not in a conscious way, but in an evolutionary way. It needs to replicate to survve but killing the host too early prevents spread and therefore breeding. So it learns and it learns to sidestep our countermeasures as it progresses.
It becomes a neverending loop until the virus steps back (or is forced to step back) into its endemic 'background' phase rather than the current pandemic one.
Why is that different to ( for example ) smallpox vaccines?
Which vaccines are "NOT" reactionary.
Nov 29, 2021Why Some Vaccines Last A Lifetime and Others Don't | Cedars-Sinai
Some vaccines result in immunity that lasts many decades, but in other cases you have to get boosters months or years after the first shot. Pharmacists Ethan Smith and Hai Tran explain how and why shots differ.www.cedars-sinai.org
...All vaccines trigger immunity, but how long it lasts depends on several factors. One of them is the rate at which a virus replicates, says Hai Tran, associate director of Cedars-Sinai's Pharmacy Services.
"If a virus replicates quickly, it has a chance to produce more mutations, also known as variants. The more variants emerge, the harder it is to make a vaccine that will create lasting immunity, because the target keeps moving," she explains.
Ethan Smith, a pharmacist at Cedars-Sinai, agrees: "If a virus is stable, that gives us a big advantage. Measles is an example of a stable virus that is unlikely to replicate, so scientists could predict that immunity would last a long time, which it does." Smallpox and polio, highly contagious viruses that were almost eradicated through vaccination, are also stable with low mutation rates.
Viruses that replicate fast and mutate a lot, like influenza, pose a challenge for vaccine makers. "Every year there are multiple new strains of flu, which is why you should get a flu shot every year," says Hai. "This season's flu vaccine offers protection against four different strains, but next year, there likely will be new ones..."
ah yes, the old round about theory, a solid classic
as opposed to the mandate of the gas chambers of course?Some fu**in clown on the High Wycombe tavern Facebook page compared mandates to Nazi Germany. And then it got pointed out to her that the Nazis actually opposed mandates so it'd kill the "weak." Golden irony.
what a lemming " this is just the way it has to be " How's the vaccine's control of the virus going? With all the unvaxxed still locked out of community gatherings it must be the vaxxed spreading the virus,And now even more countries are making vaccines and boosters mandatory.
this is just the way it has to be.
I think this answers that;
Stable, slow-moving virus = longer vaccine immunity from said virus. Fast-moving, quickly-mutating virus = shorter immuno-protection between strains/variants.
Fair enough. What's your take on the situation?
Is dan still on holidays in the middle of a state of emergency he extended?
I know the enabling hyprocritesWhy did you want him for something?
Missing his daily presser?
what a lemming " this is just the way it has to be " How's the vaccine's control of the virus going? With all the unvaxxed still locked out of community gatherings it must be the vaxxed spreading the virus,
Not true, most people did it because they were pushed into a corner, the jump in the van rate confirms thisIts the unvaxxed filling the hospitals still.
The nearest analogy i can find to following someone off a cliff is to jump on the anti-vaxx bandwagon.
Most of the others are avoiding the cliff.
Lol following science is a lemming.what a lemming " this is just the way it has to be " How's the vaccine's control of the virus going? With all the unvaxxed still locked out of community gatherings it must be the vaxxed spreading the virus,
Just cos a lot of people are selfish idiots doesn't make you right. It just means a lot of people are selfish idiots.Not true, most people did it because they were pushed into a corner, the jump in the van rate confirms this
Not true, most people did it because they were pushed into a corner, the jump in the van rate confirms this