Politics Violence against Nazis, acceptable?

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the_interloper said:
A nazi is a subset of fascism in my understanding.

So do you think some would think anyone who is critical of ANTIFA is a fascist?
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What do you think ANTIFA is?
 
the_interloper said:
I’d like to think this was the case, though I feel the name was cleverly chosen to brand any naysayers “fascists”
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again what do you think ANTIFA is
 
the_interloper said:
I’d like to think this was the case, though I feel the name was cleverly chosen to brand any naysayers “fascists”
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It's fair to say that a lot of those people marching with 'Unite the Right' at rallies and defending or downplaying Nazi serial killers on here are at least aligned with the Fascists and Nazis, even if they don't personally march under the Swastika themselves right?

It's one thing to say 'I repudiate the Nazis and everything they stand for.' It's another thing to say that while also openly marching along with them and sharing many of their views on 'global banker conspiracies to impose 'social marxism on us' and promoting a totalitarian far right wing State that is hostile towards LGBTI people, women and ethnic and religious minorities.

Look at the Right wing terrorism thread. Not a single RWNJ on here has come in that thread yet to denounce these Right Wing Neo Nazi terrorists. Not one.

Plenty on the other hand have waded in there to defend them, or downplay it.

Im reluctant to call a person a Nazi, unless they're openly a Nazi (your standard MAGA flog doesnt fit that description) but when they start parroting the same views as the Nazis about 'globalist conspiracies to diminish the European race and impose socialism on us' while advocating for a non democratic populist government hostile to women, LGBTI people and ethnic and religious minorities, while also marching side by side with actual Nazis, and refusing to denounce literal avowed Nazis when they murder people... It's probably time to call them what they are.
 
Your 8 point NAZI checklist:

Do you:

1) Believe there is a secret cabal of bankers, financiers and globalists [the Deep State/ WEF/ George Soros etc] that are secretly working behind the scenes to support the political left and [weaken 'our' culture with 'social Marxism'/ replace the white race/ impose Socialism on us/ sex traffic or cannibalize our kids]?
2) Support a Strong State that stops legislating for liberal and progressive policies, and is more patriotic, reactionary, nativist and nationalistic?
3) Oppose laws and policies that seek to assist LBTI people, women and minorities (such as multiculturalism, abortion, affirmative action, reconciliation, changing the date of Australia day, Safe schools, SSM etc)
4) Believe in a hierarchy of the races, where Race is a biological reality (as opposed to a social construct), and support the notion that a strong State is a racially homogenous one?
5) Attribute crime primarily to race (as opposed to socio economic factors)?
6) Believe that there is an ongoing 'clash of the cultures' and that conflict and competition between States is inevitable?
7) Ever find yourself agreeing with, or on the same side of a protest as people who are openly Nazi, hanging out on openly pro Nazi websites (like 4chan) or questioning the Holocaust?
8) Think the 'main stream media and Hollywood' are unreliable, spreading a false narrative, and prefer 'alternative' sources for your information?

If you answered 'Yes' to most of those questions above, I have some bad news for you.

You're a Nazi.
 
the_interloper said:
So let's say we agree you can punch a Nazi. Who decides what a Nazi is? Is a person who just supports Trump a Nazi?
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Or a Ukrainian nationalist who objects to russias invasion of crimea?
 
I have in my dim past (the late 1980s and early 1990s) found myself fighting Nazis on the streets of Melbourne. It was purely defensive. They were targeting us socialists when we were selling socialist newspapers on the street. The cops were surprisingly sympathetic - they thought we were harmless, clearly not being bright enough to connect the humble paper sellers in the Mall with the demonstrators they sometimes clashed with, and considered the skinheads to be a nuisance. But they weren't willing to do anything to defend us or to deal with the boneheads, just advising us to let them know after we got beaten up so they could pursue the culprits. It was pretty scary. Most of them were just kids, but their leadership core included the actual son of an SS officer and a bloke who later was gaoled for killing one of his fellow Nazis. (They had been drinking all day to celebrate Hitler's birthday and the victim had made the mistake of asking his "mate" if he could "borrow" his girlfriend. He ended up cut up into pieces with a chainsaw.)

We planned an ambush one Friday night, making it appear that we only had 3 sellers in the Mall whilst about 15 of our members dressed for the occasion in our best clothes to blend in with the commuter crowd. Sure enough 20+ skinheads surrounded our sellers and were geeing themselves up to attack them. At a single word of command we pounced on them. Even though they still outnumbered us, they broke in shock and I found myself chasing a skinhead as he ran in terror up Elizabeth St (near the GPO) wondering wtf I was going to do if I caught him, as I hadn't been in a fight since primary school. He ran onto the street (which for some reason was devoid of traffic at that point) and cowered in a foetal position on the tram tracks. I grabbed his shoulder and shook him while saying: "Don't do it again!" (Pathetic I know).

I then ran back to find a 5 foot nothing 18 year old female student jumping up and down with glee on the prone body of the SS officer's son and was tasked with dragging her away before the cops arrived. I did so with some difficulty; we later found out that she had broken his arm. The cops then turned up and realised that the skinheads had been in a fight. Some of the skins tried to convince the cops that they'd been innocent victims of an attack by "those people" - pointing to the few of us who hadn't managed to get away. The cops looked at us in our suits and ties and promptly arrested the Nazis.

Now this was clearly a case of self defence. But so was the Battle of Cable St in 1936 when 250,000 East Enders turned up to block a march through the Jewish area of London by Mosley's fascists. There was plenty of violence that day. Given what was about to happen, can anyone argue that it was wrong for a Jewish community (supported by the largely Irish Catholic dockers) to defend itself by confronting a march by Blackshirted thugs through the streets where they lived an worked? Yet that action was condemned at the time by all the small "l" Liberals, including the British Labour Party.

Just for you entertainment I thought I'd include a link to a small chapter in Australian history:


Also, for Cable St:


Minor point of historical trivia: Sir Phillip Game, the London Police Commissioner who eventually banned the march had four years earlier been the Governor of NSW who had sacked Jack Lang. The fascist New Guard were planning a coup against Lang which may have gone ahead if he hadn't been sacked. So twice in his career, Game accidentally stymied the plans of fascists.
 

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Malifice said:
Your 8 point NAZI checklist:

Do you:

1) Believe there is a secret cabal of bankers, financiers and globalists [the Deep State/ WEF/ George Soros etc] that are secretly working behind the scenes to support the political left and [weaken 'our' culture with 'social Marxism'/ replace the white race/ impose Socialism on us/ sex traffic or cannibalize our kids]?
2) Support a Strong State that stops legislating for liberal and progressive policies, and is more patriotic, reactionary, nativist and nationalistic?
3) Oppose laws and policies that seek to assist LBTI people, women and minorities (such as multiculturalism, abortion, affirmative action, reconciliation, changing the date of Australia day, Safe schools, SSM etc)
4) Believe in a hierarchy of the races, where Race is a biological reality (as opposed to a social construct), and support the notion that a strong State is a racially homogenous one?
5) Attribute crime primarily to race (as opposed to socio economic factors)?
6) Believe that there is an ongoing 'clash of the cultures' and that conflict and competition between States is inevitable?
7) Ever find yourself agreeing with, or on the same side of a protest as people who are openly Nazi, hanging out on openly pro Nazi websites (like 4chan) or questioning the Holocaust?
8) Think the 'main stream media and Hollywood' are unreliable, spreading a false narrative, and prefer 'alternative' sources for your information?

If you answered 'Yes' to most of those questions above, I have some bad news for you.

You're a Nazi.
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90% of SRP posters would answer affirmatively to Q8 irrespective of political allegiance.
 
Malifice said:
Your 8 point NAZI checklist:

Do you:

1) Believe there is a secret cabal of bankers, financiers and globalists [the Deep State/ WEF/ George Soros etc] that are secretly working behind the scenes to support the political left and [weaken 'our' culture with 'social Marxism'/ replace the white race/ impose Socialism on us/ sex traffic or cannibalize our kids]?
2) Support a Strong State that stops legislating for liberal and progressive policies, and is more patriotic, reactionary, nativist and nationalistic?
3) Oppose laws and policies that seek to assist LBTI people, women and minorities (such as multiculturalism, abortion, affirmative action, reconciliation, changing the date of Australia day, Safe schools, SSM etc)
4) Believe in a hierarchy of the races, where Race is a biological reality (as opposed to a social construct), and support the notion that a strong State is a racially homogenous one?
5) Attribute crime primarily to race (as opposed to socio economic factors)?
6) Believe that there is an ongoing 'clash of the cultures' and that conflict and competition between States is inevitable?
7) Ever find yourself agreeing with, or on the same side of a protest as people who are openly Nazi, hanging out on openly pro Nazi websites (like 4chan) or questioning the Holocaust?
8) Think the 'main stream media and Hollywood' are unreliable, spreading a false narrative, and prefer 'alternative' sources for your information?

If you answered 'Yes' to most of those questions above, I have some bad news for you.

You're a Nazi.
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There is nothing secret about the WEF/IMF's neocolonialist aganeda. They are closer to Nazis than many people who object to them, especially outside predominantly european/euro diaspora countries.

Also the deep state is a thing but has nothing to do with whatever you say they are doing in point q1.

Its actually more the nexus of international criminals/non state actors and state actors. Trump hijacking that term destroyed any meaningful discussion on the way international criminals and spys work together or the way the establishment uses revolving doors between government and corporate positions to maintain control over resources and finance.

The MSM and Hollywood have spread false narratives for years. Muslims have been evil since the at least the early 90s. The things "left" (lol) media like msnbc, cnn etc say about Assange are bullshit. Murdoch media is completely full of s**t and it is the entire MSM in Australia to the point where it even owns the ABC now. Its completely unreliable. Did you see the election coverage in the lead up to our last federal election?

What a farce.
 
Malifice said:
It's fair to say that a lot of those people marching with 'Unite the Right' at rallies and defending or downplaying Nazi serial killers on here are at least aligned with the Fascists and Nazis, even if they don't personally march under the Swastika themselves right?

It's one thing to say 'I repudiate the Nazis and everything they stand for.' It's another thing to say that while also openly marching along with them and sharing many of their views on 'global banker conspiracies to impose 'social marxism on us' and promoting a totalitarian far right wing State that is hostile towards LGBTI people, women and ethnic and religious minorities.

Look at the Right wing terrorism thread. Not a single RWNJ on here has come in that thread yet to denounce these Right Wing Neo Nazi terrorists. Not one.

Plenty on the other hand have waded in there to defend them, or downplay it.

Im reluctant to call a person a Nazi, unless they're openly a Nazi (your standard MAGA flog doesnt fit that description) but when they start parroting the same views as the Nazis about 'globalist conspiracies to diminish the European race and impose socialism on us' while advocating for a non democratic populist government hostile to women, LGBTI people and ethnic and religious minorities, while also marching side by side with actual Nazis, and refusing to denounce literal avowed Nazis when they murder people... It's probably time to call them what they are.
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I think your take is fair. Yeah if you're on a "Unite the Right" march you could expect to be called a Nazi sure. I have read about some Nazi stickers being found during the lockdown protests and some proclaiming (including a mate of mine) "there were Nazis there, you stood with Nazis" which I think is pretty unfair.

Maybe I'll have a look at that right wing terrorism thread, sounds like "fun".
Malifice said:
Your 8 point NAZI checklist:

Do you:

1) Believe there is a secret cabal of bankers, financiers and globalists [the Deep State/ WEF/ George Soros etc] that are secretly working behind the scenes to support the political left and [weaken 'our' culture with 'social Marxism'/ replace the white race/ impose Socialism on us/ sex traffic or cannibalize our kids]?
2) Support a Strong State that stops legislating for liberal and progressive policies, and is more patriotic, reactionary, nativist and nationalistic?
3) Oppose laws and policies that seek to assist LBTI people, women and minorities (such as multiculturalism, abortion, affirmative action, reconciliation, changing the date of Australia day, Safe schools, SSM etc)
4) Believe in a hierarchy of the races, where Race is a biological reality (as opposed to a social construct), and support the notion that a strong State is a racially homogenous one?
5) Attribute crime primarily to race (as opposed to socio economic factors)?
6) Believe that there is an ongoing 'clash of the cultures' and that conflict and competition between States is inevitable?
7) Ever find yourself agreeing with, or on the same side of a protest as people who are openly Nazi, hanging out on openly pro Nazi websites (like 4chan) or questioning the Holocaust?
8) Think the 'main stream media and Hollywood' are unreliable, spreading a false narrative, and prefer 'alternative' sources for your information?

If you answered 'Yes' to most of those questions above, I have some bad news for you.

You're a Nazi.
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1) Fair enough, i mean there's a superset of these people who believe in the NWO/Great Reset, nutbags but not necessarily Nazis
2) Would that fit in with some people's definition of conservative?
3) Again is this just conservative viewpoint and nothing to do with being a "Nazi?"
4) Yeah I'll pay that
5) I'll pay that too, more racist than anything probably (does racist = Nazi?)
6) Clash of the Cultures, do you mean right v left?
7) Fair enough I guess. Like my previous point, just because anti vaxxers were apparently protesting with Nazis doesn't make them Nazis of course
8) That probably describes a lot of people and not much to do with Nazis
 
Malifice said:
Your 8 point NAZI checklist:

Do you:

1) Believe there is a secret cabal of bankers, financiers and globalists [the Deep State/ WEF/ George Soros etc] that are secretly working behind the scenes to support the political left and [weaken 'our' culture with 'social Marxism'/ replace the white race/ impose Socialism on us/ sex traffic or cannibalize our kids]?
2) Support a Strong State that stops legislating for liberal and progressive policies, and is more patriotic, reactionary, nativist and nationalistic?
3) Oppose laws and policies that seek to assist LBTI people, women and minorities (such as multiculturalism, abortion, affirmative action, reconciliation, changing the date of Australia day, Safe schools, SSM etc)
4) Believe in a hierarchy of the races, where Race is a biological reality (as opposed to a social construct), and support the notion that a strong State is a racially homogenous one?
5) Attribute crime primarily to race (as opposed to socio economic factors)?
6) Believe that there is an ongoing 'clash of the cultures' and that conflict and competition between States is inevitable?
7) Ever find yourself agreeing with, or on the same side of a protest as people who are openly Nazi, hanging out on openly pro Nazi websites (like 4chan) or questioning the Holocaust?
8) Think the 'main stream media and Hollywood' are unreliable, spreading a false narrative, and prefer 'alternative' sources for your information?

If you answered 'Yes' to most of those questions above, I have some bad news for you.

You're a Nazi.
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Plenty of conspiracy board posters would answer yes to most of these without being Nazi's to be fair, just run of the mill QAnoner's

4 and 7 are the key Nazi questions.
 
owen87 said:
Plenty of conspiracy board posters would answer yes to most of these without being Nazi's to be fair, just run of the mill QAnoner's

4 and 7 are the key Nazi questions.
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Points 2 and 5?
 
owen87 said:
Fascism isn't Nazism though.

They're similar but different.
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Nazi's are fascists though and racist, so saying those 2 aren't on the nazi checklist isn't the way to go

there are others that you could debate as written much more easily than those two
 
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