List Mgmt. List Management 2022

[Arr0w]

Tigers Ben Miller UFA. A good cheap option that fills a need

Staying with my previous posts, we can't continue to retain the collective tall/3rd tall players that are either unbalanced, under developed and or injury prone. I see Miller playing as the stopping KPD, shifting Young to be the intercept tall. So, the way I see it, Miller would replace a Parks/Omac on the list, even if you want to retain the talented Marchbank and Gov despite both still have on-going injuries.

Of course OMac might be given the all clear for future back concerns, but if there are any doubts, we need to make tough calls

We would still need to go to the draft for these types, so we continue to rejuvenate and or having developing types. I wouldn't be drafting Foster or a predominant KPF that can ruck, I want a ruckman that can be a threat forward

Still see Miller as a good option considering he is a UFA, can play anywhere down the spine

 

[Bletch]

Still see Miller as a good option considering he is a UFA, can play anywhere down the spine

If we take a free agent, we won't get compo for Jones though, right?

 

[AvantGardener]

Tell me this isn't a premiership side in 2023:

Gov Young Stocker
Marchy Weits Saad

Williams Doc Fisher
Pitto/TDK Cripps Hewett

Martin McKay Walsh
Silvagni Curnow Durdin/Motlop/Owies/Honey

Cerra Kennedy Options/Options

 

[Arr0w]

If we take a free agent, we won't get compo for Jones though, right?

Correct, but the transaction would still be in our favour, IMO

Perhaps, if the talk of Dow going to the Tigers is true, we could negotiate a trade, as I doubt Miller would trigger a compensation pick

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I'm normally at local footy watching my boys and don't watch much VFL...

Are Ben Crocker and Zavier Maher, worth late draft or rookie picks?
Would they be an upgrade on the bottom of our list players?

No. Crocker is a VFL footballer and nothing more unfortunately.

 

[gbatman]

Better off targeting a FA like Goldstein for a year or two and let TDK develop.

But agreed, a component ‘ready to go’ ruckman would be beneficial.

Other than that I’d look at hitting the draft. Need more quality youth.

We would be mad not to ask the question to Goldstein, if he was on our list now, he would be our number one ruckman and we would be pretty happy about it.

 

[Arr0w]

Still too early for the final names, but this in May

List Mgmt. - List Management 2022

Walsh signed an extension April 17 2019. https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-carltons-no1-draft-pick-sam-walsh-signs-contract-extension-four-games-into-career/news-story/c1762d82d0342eb2a8fd6012c038269c Right, but he had a richer vein of form...

www.bigfooty.com

Only predictions at this stage, will get a better idea in the 2nd half of the year

Name	Prediction
Caleb Marchbank	Retain, but based on staying healthy
David Cuningham	Retain
Edward Curnow	Delist
Jack Newnes	Might get a contract based on triggers
Jordan Boyd	Might get a contract based on triggers (update 4/7 retain)
Josh Honey	Retain
Lachlan Fogarty	Delist
Lewis Young	Retain
Liam Stocker	Retain
Lochie O'Brien	Might get a contract based on triggers
Luke Parks	Delist
Matt Cottrell	Might get a contract based on triggers
Matt Owies	Might get a contract based on triggers
Matthew Kennedy	New mid term contract
Oscar McDonald	Retain unless we acquire a replacement and or determine his back is shot (update 4/7 if we are tossing up between OMac and Durdin, I'm keeping Durdin)
Paddy Dow	Not looking good based on the lack of AFL games
Tom Williamson	Delist
Will Setterfield	Might get a contract based on triggers

Then the rumours of possibly trading out some others that are contracted

Still too early for the final names, but this in May

List Mgmt. - List Management 2022

Walsh signed an extension April 17 2019. https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-carltons-no1-draft-pick-sam-walsh-signs-contract-extension-four-games-into-career/news-story/c1762d82d0342eb2a8fd6012c038269c Right, but he had a richer vein of form...

www.bigfooty.com

Only predictions at this stage, will get a better idea in the 2nd half of the year

Name	Prediction
Caleb Marchbank	Retain, but based on staying healthy
David Cuningham	Retain
Edward Curnow	Delist
Jack Newnes	Might get a contract based on triggers
Jordan Boyd	Might get a contract based on triggers (update 4/7 retain)
Josh Honey	Retain
Lachlan Fogarty	Delist
Lewis Young	Retain
Liam Stocker	Retain
Lochie O'Brien	Might get a contract based on triggers
Luke Parks	Delist
Matt Cottrell	Might get a contract based on triggers
Matt Owies	Might get a contract based on triggers
Matthew Kennedy	New mid term contract
Oscar McDonald	Retain unless we acquire a replacement and or determine his back is shot (update 4/7 if we are tossing up between OMac and Durdin, I'm keeping Durdin)
Paddy Dow	Not looking good based on the lack of AFL games
Tom Williamson	Delist
Will Setterfield	Might get a contract based on triggers

Then the rumours of possibly trading out some others that are contracted

Update

Name	Prediction
Caleb Marchbank	Retain, but based on staying healthy. 14/8 Might survive
David Cuningham	Retain 14/8 - Think he gets one more year, possibly as a rookie
Edward Curnow	Delist 14/8 Think he is gone
Jack Newnes	Might get a contract based on triggers 14/8 Might need 1 more game for that trigger
Jordan Boyd	Might get a contract based on triggers (update 4/7 retain) 14/8 Retain
Josh Honey	Retain 14/8 Retain
Lachlan Fogarty	Delist 14/8 delist
Lewis Young	Retain 14/8 Retain
Liam Stocker	Retain 14/8 Retain
Lochie O'Brien	Might get a contract based on triggers. 14/8 Looks like he will get a 2 year extension
Luke Parks	Delist 14/8 Delist
Matt Cottrell	Might get a contract based on triggers 14/8 Deserves a new contract
Matt Owies	Might get a contract based on triggers 14/8 Unsure at this stage
Matthew Kennedy	New mid term contract 14/8 Deserved his new contract
Oscar McDonald	Retain unless we acquire a replacement and or determine his back is shot (update 4/7 if we are tossing up between OMac and Durdin, I'm keeping Durdin) 14/8 Keep, good backup
Paddy Dow	Not looking good based on the lack of AFL games 14/8 Still the same
Tom Williamson	Delist 14/8 Already delisted
Will Setterfield	Might get a contract based on triggers. 14/8 Won't hit triggers but likely retained

As for possible trades, any number of viable options

 

[AndyLucimitis]

How do we get Scholl from Adelaide - do we have to trade or does he just walk to PSD ?


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[Beyond Blue]

We have a desperate need for a ruckman that can take a mark like Gawn and Jackson. Pitto just does not do that. Big body, yes but minimal presence around the ground.

We’ve probably got him already and his name is Tom De Koning.

We’ve all forgot the player Gawn was in his first 5 seasons.

I’d venture to say at this stage of his career TDK is ahead of him.

I’m certainly not guaranteeing he’ll get to that level but it’s worth pursuing.

 

[Jeremias]

How do we get Scholl from Adelaide - do we have to trade or does he just walk to PSD ?

Contracted so will need to be via trade.

Won’t cost much so can’t imagine it’ll be a difficult one to push through.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Still see Miller as a good option considering he is a UFA, can play anywhere down the spine

He signed a 2 year deal last week

 

[azlou]

People seem to sway their thoughts heavily in a direction, due to a moment, a game, maybe 2-3.

I also understand that people make emotive statements, even over the top melts, but imagine if the clubs was that fickle to send the like of McKay to the VFL and or the trade table.

TDK hasn't even entered a stage where he would be deemed as consistent, let alone where his peak will start. Mirkov will probably get to the point of being more ready back half of next year, but no guarantees. While I like Jsos doing some stints in the ruck, I don't like it to continue on a regular basis

2 years till he’s consistent 4 years till he peaks I think he will be worth the wait

 

[jd2010]

People seem to sway their thoughts heavily in a direction, due to a moment, a game, maybe 2-3.

I also understand that people make emotive statements, even over the top melts, but imagine if the clubs was that fickle to send the like of McKay to the VFL and or the trade table.

TDK hasn't even entered a stage where he would be deemed as consistent, let alone where his peak will start. Mirkov will probably get to the point of being more ready back half of next year, but no guarantees. While I like Jsos doing some stints in the ruck, I don't like it to continue on a regular basis

We've had 21 games this season and I'm yet to see a game where TDK has shown he is untouchable. If there's a market there we've gotta explore it. It's not the most essential position to have an A-grader. Would rather 2x top 20 picks and nail both of them on a mid and KPF and get by with role player level rucks

 

[Arr0w]

We've had 21 games this season and I'm yet to see a game where TDK has shown he is untouchable. If there's a market there we've gotta explore it. It's not the most essential position to have an A-grader. Would rather 2x top 20 picks and nail both of them on a mid and KPF and get by with role player level rucks

TDK hasn't even entered his peak years, picks don't equal better players unless you are trading. Even then nothing is guaranteed

 

[jd2010]

TDK hasn't even entered his peak years, picks don't equal better players unless you are trading. Even then nothing is guaranteed

He was drafted with a 2nd round pick. Turning him into 2 firsts is a win. Sure we could burn those picks. But there's still uncertainty if TDK is actually going to be a good player let alone a great like everyone assumes he will just be

 

[Arr0w]

He was drafted with a 2nd round pick. Turning him into 2 firsts is a win. Sure we could burn those picks. But there's still uncertainty if TDK is actually going to be a good player let alone a great like everyone assumes he will just be

I don't think he will be a great, just a very good modern day ruck/forward

Anyway, let's see how it plays out

 

[Jeremias]

He was drafted with a 2nd round pick. Turning him into 2 firsts is a win. Sure we could burn those picks. But there's still uncertainty if TDK is actually going to be a good player let alone a great like everyone assumes he will just be

I don’t necessarily disagree 2 x 1sts would be a good result, but you’re looking at it in entirely the wrong way.

He’s not a stock. In the discussion of what we get for him, where he was drafted initially is completely irrelevant.

 

[jd2010]

I don’t necessarily disagree 2 x 1sts would be a good result, but you’re looking at it in entirely the wrong way.

He’s not a stock. In the discussion of what we get for him, where he was drafted initially is completely irrelevant.

He is a stock. All listed players are until they are free agents. If a club was crazy enough to offer us something like that it would be too good to refuse.

Haven't done the exercise but wouldn't have thought his numbers at 23 are way above the absolute top shelf rucks like Grundy, NicNat and Gawn produced. Or even someone like Tim English at 23 had shown more and I reckon the Dogs would have taken 2 firsts for him

 

[bigblueboy]

No. Crocker is a VFL footballer and nothing more unfortunately.

There’s a couple of very good players in the VFL squad who would be potential rookie picks (maybe not for us) … Cincotta, Trudgeon, Moschetti, Leui could develop further.
Crocker has been found wanting at AFL previously and Maher has a great burst but not much skill.

 

[Jeremias]

He is a stock. All listed players are until they are free agents. If a club was crazy enough to offer us something like that it would be too good to refuse.

No, he is not a stock. He is a footballer.

It makes zero sense to determine the success of a trade based on where somebody was drafted X years earlier.

If Charlie Curnow wins the Coleman this year and come trade week we move him on for pick 11 in the draft, have we won that trade just because we drafted him with pick 12?

It's a ridiculous way of looking at things.

 

[KohPhi]

How do we get Scholl from Adelaide - do we have to trade or does he just walk to PSD ?


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I'd be inclined to think the Jones compensation (3rd round) would suffice.

 

[KohPhi]

He was drafted with a 2nd round pick. Turning him into 2 firsts is a win. Sure we could burn those picks. But there's still uncertainty if TDK is actually going to be a good player let alone a great like everyone assumes he will just be

I think he has shown more than enough to suggest he will be a very good player, but in the end I have no idea.. More importantly, people at the Club with far more understanding/awareness than I believe he will be.

However, no-one is 'untradeable' but it would need to be heavily weighted in our favour in my opinion..

 

[Post padding]

I’m confused.

One corner we have people willing the trade TKD cause he’s not what they expected

But we also believe we will get two 1st rounders for him.

How ?


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[JoeyPBLUES]

I’m confused.

One corner we have people willing the trade TKD cause he’s not what they expected

But we also believe we will get two 1st rounders for him.

How ?


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Because he’s a Carlton player that’s why lol

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I'd be inclined to think the Jones compensation (3rd round) would suffice.

Sounds like it or what we get from Richmond/Nth for Dow and then move on to Adelaide - people are only talking 3rd round for Dow.