Roast Tyson Stengle sacked after ****ing up again

[Slippery Pete]

Looks like he is looking after himself better. Looks fitter. Some of that could be on our conditioning people but a fair bit is up to the individual.

You know when the middle aged bloke meets someone and all of a sudden out of nowhere, he starts working out, and getting better haircuts?

Geelong is the someone.

Adelaide is the no-one.

 

[Soggy2112]

no, don't change the circumstances so it allows you to give the answer you want. don’t try and bring in “hopefully he’s not that dumb” or “most players learn”..

the question is based on Rankine doing EXACTLY what stengle did..

So.. do you honestly believe the club would sack Rankine, pay out his contract and send him to play with Westies in 2024 if in 2023 Rankine does EXACTLY what Stengle did in 2020?

its a simple yes or no answer for everyone here that wants to answer this question..

genuinely interested in peoples thoughts/answers on this.

my answer would be no.

No we wouldn’t. The club IMO decided that Isaac was bad PR, and his footballing ability did not justify that risk. It’s an understandable decision but ultimately the wrong one.

Should the club have offered him more support and helped him better to get his career back on track? Maybe, but I find this argument interesting, given nearly a hundred players are booted out of the AFL system every season. It seems we only expect clubs to provide that support if a player has ability. Realistically, what Anna and Eddie did for him is probably more the responsibility of the AFLPA.

 

[Sanders]

Last I checked he hasn't been caught drunk driving in the past 2 years, nor has he been caught with Cocaine, nor has he been photographed with Cocaine.

So nothing then.

 

[Sanders]

Looks like he is looking after himself better. Looks fitter. Some of that could be on our conditioning people but a fair bit is up to the individual.

Was he released for his conditioning?

 

[Redline]

Was he released for his conditioning?

There were plenty of concerns about how he looked after himself.

 

[John Who]

I liken the Stengle saga to this analogy:

Person A breaks up with person B due to ongoing bad social habits. Person A had given B 3 chances to make amends and decides enough is enough. 2 years have now passed, person B no longer is a social deviant.

Should person B be congratulated? Yes.

Was person A wrong to decide on the break up? No.

Is B now in the right make A now in the wrong? No.

 

[AFC979810]

So nothing then.

Well getting smarter about not being caught is clearly something that has changed.

Welcome back from your banishment.

 

[FR0GGY]

So.. in a few weeks from now we swap pick 5 for Izak Rankine..

Come January 2023 Izak gets done DUI whilst driving an unregistered car.. then around september next year get caught by the police with a bit of coke on him then a month or so later gets photographed at a party..

Do you reacon the club negotiates a pay out of izak’s contract and tells him that he’s playing for West Adelaide in 2024?…

For “establishing a whole heap of different standards” purposes?…

Not really comparable, did we invest a first round pick for Stengle?

 

[Bearded Clam]

Not really comparable, did we invest a first round pick for Stengle?

The point is… we have people saying the crows had no choice but to get rid of Stengle because of “setting standards”, “culture”, “building trust” blah, blah, blah..

But then when I pose the question on what the club would do if next season Rankine did exactly the same things as Stengle.. what they’d expect..

Its all “oh that would be different”, “we didnt spend a first rounder on him” etc etc.. weasel words..

In other words the whole need to build trust/values, build club standards, build a good culture etc etc is all complete bullshit. It would all get thrown straight out the window if its a more “valuable” player involved..

So if tyson was still a crow and had an AA season this year… and then in this off season he got himself into some trouble with DUI, coke.. he’d be treated differently.. and yes, I agree with a few here, I reacon thats exactly what would happen.

So.. so much for “club standards, values and culture”. Its selectively policed depending on the player involved.

And double standards shit like that is exactly what does more damage to your clubs culture than anything else!

 

[FR0GGY]

The point is… we have people saying the crows had no choice but to get rid of Stengle because of “setting standards”, “culture”, “building trust” blah, blah, blah..

But then when I pose the question on what the club would do if next season Rankine did exactly the same things as Stengle.. what they’d expect..

Its all “oh that would be different”, “we didnt spend a first rounder on him” etc etc.. weasel words..

In other words the whole need to build trust/values, build club standards, build a good culture etc etc is all complete bullshit. It would all get thrown straight out the window if its a more “valuable” player involved..

So if tyson was still a crow and had an AA season this year… and then in this off season he got himself into some trouble with DUI, coke.. he’d be treated differently.. and yes, I agree with a few here, I reacon thats exactly what would happen.

So.. so much for “club standards, values and culture”. Its selectively policed depending on the player involved.

And double standards s**t like that is exactly what does more damage to your clubs culture than anything else!

Every club does it, who were those two collingwood players who were nobodies, that got caught with drugs they got dropped reasonably quickly didn’t they, yet degoey survives.
Had Stengle been Eddie betts I’m sure he’d be still here.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Every club does it, who were those two collingwood players who were nobodies, that got caught with drugs they got dropped reasonably quickly didn’t they, yet degoey survives.
Had Stengle been Eddie betts I’m sure he’d be still here.

Agree… and thats why this whole saga is a complete and utter farce.

And its resulted in the club once again looking completely incompetant.

Because the next question would be.. who at the club couldnt recognise that Tyson had the skills and talent to, just two years later, become an All Australian small forward?.. isnt that what these people are payed to recognise and help develop?

Who, in the end, only saw him as some expendable young bloke that they could sacrifice to appease their namby pamby supporter base and make the club look like it was tough on these types of indescretions and had a strong system of values, standards and culture..

The list is currently weaker all in the name of optics and appeasement. Thats the end result.

 

[FR0GGY]

Agree… and thats why this whole saga is a complete and utter farce.

And its resulted in the club once again looking completely incompetant.

Because the next question would be.. who at the club couldnt recognise that Tyson had the skills and talent to, just two years later, become an All Australian small forward?.. isnt that what these people are payed to recognise and help develop?

Who, in the end, only saw him as some expendable young bloke that they could sacrifice to appease their namby pamby supporter base and make the club look like it was tough on these types of indescretions and had a strong system of values, standards and culture..

The list is currently weaker all in the name of optics and appeasement. Thats the end result.

I’ll be honest, I didn’t see him as amounting to anything.
Then again im not a list manager.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Every club does it, who were those two collingwood players who were nobodies, that got caught with drugs they got dropped reasonably quickly didn’t they, yet degoey survives.
Had Stengle been Eddie betts I’m sure he’d be still here.

Which is why taking a hard stance feels so hollow and performative. The rules should be applied evenly no matter the quality of the player but that's not how it really works. If the system had integrity, I'd feel better about upholding it. There needs to be some kind of limit to what clubs will put up with from it's players. As it stands though, we just look like suckers who gifted another club a good player.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I liken the Stengle saga to this analogy:

Person A breaks up with person B due to ongoing bad social habits. Person A had given B 3 chances to make amends and decides enough is enough. 2 years have now passed, person B no longer is a social deviant.

Should person B be congratulated? Yes.

Was person A wrong to decide on the break up? No.

Is B now in the right make A now in the wrong? No.

Well that certainly settles it for me

 

[adelaidecrows]

Was he released for his conditioning?

Im not having a go

Do you know some inside info that you are hinting at but aren't sharing or you just aren't buying the clubs position?

 

[killtaker1993]

All the best today, Tyson. We all wish you every success, mate. Go out there and go get 'em

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

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would have been AA at Geelong this year

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Those blaming the clubs Bearded Clam in particular, at what point do you think Stengle the individual is responsible for his own actions?

He was a 22 year old man. Not a kid.

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There's a grand total one delisted free agent who has become an All Australian player

Maybe we read the situation (quality vs indiscretions) wrongly?

 

[Red mist]

Yeah it’s what you got around you.

 

[Sanders]

There were plenty of concerns about how he looked after himself.

Was he released for his conditioning?

obviously not, so how is that a changed his ways thing?

 

[Sanders]

Im not having a go

Do you know some inside info that you are hinting at but aren't sharing or you just aren't buying the clubs position?

There is ZERO evidence he has changed his ways.

Equally his ways were so insignificant, it’s hardly the case that he needed to

 

[adelaidecrows]

There is ZERO evidence he has changed his ways.

Equally his ways were so insignificant, it’s hardly the case that he needed to

As I've said, I think our club acted purely because they had to be seen to be doing something. Thats it. Stengle was just scape goated for the club to look good.

 

[John Who]

As I've said, I think our club acted purely because they had to be seen to be doing something. Thats it. Stengle was just scape goated for the club to look good.

I just read this:

Tyson Stengle parts ways with Adelaide Football Club

Young forward Tyson Stengle has been sacked by the Adelaide Crows after a string of off-field incidents, including a drink-driving charge.

amp.abc.net.au

Interesting the quote “Both parties have now agreed to a settlement, with the terms to remain confidential.”

Would be interesting to know if part of the terms was Stengle knowing he was to make a move to Geelong already at the time. Did we sack him? Or did we agree to part ways with him?

Also bear in mind we took a very long time to make a decision, so I can guess the long hesitation was that we fully knew he had the potential in him.

 

[hugecannon]

I just read this:

Tyson Stengle parts ways with Adelaide Football Club

Young forward Tyson Stengle has been sacked by the Adelaide Crows after a string of off-field incidents, including a drink-driving charge.

amp.abc.net.au

Interesting the quote “Both parties have now agreed to a settlement, with the terms to remain confidential.”

Would be interesting to know if part of the terms was Stengle knowing he was to make a move to Geelong already at the time. Did we sack him? Or did we agree to part ways with him?

Also bear in mind we took a very long time to make a decision, so I can guess the long hesitation was that we fully knew he had the potential in him.

Probably more hoping he’d change his mind and accept the punishment we handed him, and then he’d come back and produce the footy he has this year

 

[1970crow]

I would say once the club drew the line in the sand on what they wanted Stengle to do to get his spot back and he and his management didn't accept it then the clubs hand was forced (and maybe Stengle and management knew it and that's why they said no).

Once you give a player a set of non-negotiables to follow and they flat out say they're not going to do it then there is unfortunately only one outcome.

It wasn’t the footy stuff, it was the full season suspension they said FU to. Then we tried to sack him, found out we couldn’t and paid him out in full. But it’s ok for off-field staff and board members to screw up publicly and embarrass us in massive ways.